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Old 05-19-2000, 08:34 AM   #1
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Post Interesting history: Subaru's first STI vehicle?

I was poking around on Subaru's Japanese site's english section and was reading through the company's history. I had no idea they were built on the remains of Nakajima after the war. Apparently, since they were in no condition physically or politically to make warplanes anymore, they started building scooters like this one:


I think it had carbon fiber brake handles.
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Old 05-19-2000, 08:41 AM   #2
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AFAIK Subaru's parent company is Fuji Heavy Industries, who had a hand in building Japanese fighter aircraft during WWII.

The rivalry between the Mustang and the XT/SVX/Impreza is nothing new.
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Old 05-19-2000, 09:02 AM   #3
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Hmmmm...doesn't that rabbit logo look familiar? And most of us thought it was a new logo by Subaru. Man they that that for years now.
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Old 05-19-2000, 09:29 AM   #4
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According to the site, FHI was formed after the war. Nakajima was an airplane manufacturer like Kawisaki, Mitsubishi, etc.

Probably the most well known was the B5N model that attacked Pearl Harbor (torpedo bomber).
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Old 05-19-2000, 09:51 AM   #5
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Considering the superior quality and design of Subaru's cars, I am surprised their warplanes didn't do better! If it came down to battle cars, I would much rather have an Impreza than a Rustang! Of course, I wouldn't care if the Rustang got damaged...
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Old 05-19-2000, 10:33 AM   #6
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The Zero's were among the most manueverable planes of WWII. Pilot tactics proved much better on the Allied side, of course.

I'm a big Flying Tigers fan and I know for a fact that the P-40 Warhawks were no match for the Oscars(often mistaken as the Zero fighter) in every way except for two imortant things - diving speed and armor protection. They used these two qualities to their advantage. BTW, the Oscar was also manufactured by Nakajima.

IMO, the Zero was just as agile(but not as fast) as the P-51 Mustang and the Me-109.
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Old 05-19-2000, 10:42 AM   #7
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BTW, Zero Fighter was a Mitsubishi product, hence the resurrection of the name in the current Special Edition Lancer Evo VI. Kinda cool, you have to admit.
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Old 05-19-2000, 10:48 AM   #8
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Chennault actually sent a warning of the new Zeros to Washington in 1940 when they appeared in China warning of just how fast and maneuverable they were. No one seemed to pay much attention, as Chennault was something of an outcast. Most of the flying tiger's glory days were fighting small fixed gear and biplane fighters like the Nakajima 96 (Claude?), and most of the Tigers' best pilots quit when they were integrated into the army.

Japanese planes followed a different design philosophy which put more emphasis on speed and maneuverability than on damage absorbtion. As long as they had highly trained pilots, the Japanese could compete. As they lost those pilots, they began losing battles, and as they lost battles they lost the ability to build newer planes and train new pilots. By the end of the war American planes were faster, more maneuverable, ahd more armor, and better pilots, not to mention they had more of them.
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Hmmm....Zero Fighter Evo VI. Not exactly the kind of car you'd drive in say....Mississippi or Alabama(if you owned one).
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Old 05-19-2000, 10:54 AM   #10
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And it was cowardly to wear parachutes, in the opinion of the Japanese pilots. I think I remember on PBS about a guy who restores WWII planes. He said that the Zero in the hands of a great pilot - one on one, the Zero would likely win. But all it took to take out a zero was one short burst from an allied fighter and it was nuthin' but setting sun for the pilot.
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Old 05-19-2000, 11:17 AM   #11
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The Zeros had the upper hand against the P-40s and F-4F Wildcats and Even P-38 Lightnings, but when the Corsairs and Hellcats got out to the Pacific it was a completely differrent story.

The Corsair had higher top speed, better rate of climb, better aramament and armor. About all the Zero's had on them was tighter turning circle. And, remember the Hellcats were largely responsible for what was called the great turkey shoot where Navy pilots dropped about 10 Japanese Aircraft for everyone they lost.

The Japanese wwere forced into the lightly armored, light plane philosophy because of thier heavy reliance on imported oil and steel. They just didn't have the natural resources to build heavily armored big engine planes.

IMHO The toss-up for the best fighterplane of the war has to go to the P-51 Mustang and Focke Wulfe FW-190, with honorable mentions going to the Spitfires, Zeros and Corsairs.

Anybody here used to watch "Baa, Baa Black Sheep" as a kid? Much better than the cr4ppy "Love Boat" and"Fantasy Island" on ABC at the time.

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Old 05-19-2000, 11:52 AM   #12
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Talking about WWII fighter planes .. I love this board.. those planes are sort of a hobby for me...

I think the Zero was probably one of the most manuverable planes in WW2, but was underpowered and to lightly armored. My favorite plane by far was the F4U-D corsair. That was one hauling butt plane. With that big Pratt&Whitney radial engine.. oh oh.. grunt..

Nobody mentioned the Hurricanes though.. the REAL heros of the Battle of Britain. Not as fast as the spitfires, true. But accounted for over 75% of german planes in the ocean in that theater. The spitfires for some reason get all the good press, which is rather underserved.

It has been written by many WWII scholars that be best plane in WWII period was the P-38 lightning... It has fantastic climb rates.. roll rates.. top speed.. high altidute cruise ability... range... and armor. And the top three or four aces for America that ever flew were in that plane.
The 'forked tailed devil' is the plane that found Admiral Yamamotos plane and sent it to the ocean after wasting the two zero escorts.

I love this topic but since it has nothing to do about cars.. I will shut up.. haha

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Old 05-19-2000, 01:47 PM   #13
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Let's just be glad they decided to change and make cars instead of planes.......or else there would have never been i-club!
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Old 05-19-2000, 03:08 PM   #14
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How come no one mentioned the ME-109? that thing has a cannon on the front propeller cone!
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Old 05-19-2000, 03:10 PM   #15
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I did mention the Me-109.
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When my father was a little boy, he remembered seeing the P-38 Lightning shooting down the Japanese planes. The Japanese soldiers in his village would watch too. Everytime a Japanese plane went down, they'd beat some poor old man out of frustration. My father didn't know what they were called. He just knew from the shape that they were American planes. They were also the loudest and fastest. He remembers the flashes coming from the nose and the wings of the plane. The Japanese planes usually exploded due to the tremendous amount of lead pouring through it. Eventually, all that ever flew in the skies were just the P-38s.

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Old 05-20-2000, 12:06 AM   #17
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The first STi was a Scooter, cool!!!!!
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