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Old 01-26-2004, 10:07 AM   #1
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I bought my FXT on Saturday, and they tried to throw this paint/fabric protection thing at me for $400 (41% off only available now WOW what a deal ). Obviously I was skeptic since I haven't heard of it before so I figured I'd ask you guys.

They claim that things such as acid rain, bird crap, mud, etc can eat away at the paint over time. They will coat the paint with Teflon which will bond with the paint protecting it. "You'll never have to wax your car again" vs. "Without it you'd have to wash your car everyweek and wax it every month." Is this complete BS?

They will also cover the interior with Teflon. "Eliminates stains - resists fading." Supposedly nothing will damage the fabric except red dye and bleach after this is done.

It's from Commodore Coatings (http://www.commodorecoatings.com).

I can have it done when I bring back the car for the options to get installed. I hightly doubt it as it sounds like total BS. It also makes me a little sketchy because the company just *happens to be* in Richmond, where I bought my car.

Anyone have anything like this done? Recommendations?

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Old 01-26-2004, 11:13 AM   #2
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Hmmmmm..if this stuff was sooo effective every factory car would have it standard. Could you imagine what a nice feature that would be....a car that never needed to be waxed....it would be a huge selling point to a product line. That's what your wax or other temporary coating is for. This stuff is beyond complete BS, it is fraud. Just like juices that cure everything from diabetes to cancer, pills that will make you lose weight without side effects, there's a sucker born every minute and these people make big bucks selling you false promises and shattered dreams. Best yet this kind of garbage makes people think they can do stuff that they shouldn't do in the first place. "Why wax my car when I have the commodore superduper moxymolecule repeller finish!" "Why I can eat all the donuts I want, just as long as I take my carb blockers and fat absorbtion pills!" And then they wonder why their finish went to **** three years later because they never waxed their car and they still need 42" pants. My recommendation is that you tell them to stuff it....along with the "extended warranty".

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Old 01-26-2004, 12:19 PM   #3
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I already told them to stuff the extended warranty. The lines they gave me were so typical. "It's 20% off now!" "How about we offer you..."
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Old 01-26-2004, 12:29 PM   #4
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Was this Pence? They tried this on me too, and I passed (I always pass). In fact, last car I bought from them, I told the sales guy that I wanted to skip that 30 minute chat about the paint protection and proceed directly to the finance office (it's just 30 minutes more delay from me driving off in my new car). By the way, I have bought three Subarus from Pence in the last couple years, and they are excellent. Always got a great price.

The best thing you can do is to keep your car clean and wax it 1-2 times a year (or more if you're inclined). I use Klasse products, and they're awesome (and easy to apply).

I don't see how the Commodire products are any different than wax. It's certainly not permanent as they imply.

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Old 01-26-2004, 12:53 PM   #5
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Yeah, it was Pence. The salesman was very straightforward with the price and didn't try to change it, I was pleased.

The half hour of trying to sell me warranties and this paint thing was a waste of my time. Especially since it was late and I wanted to go home with my new car. It was also dark when I left because of the wait. I would have liked to have avoided driving the car at night for the first time.

When it gets nicer out I'm sure I'll post a thread about waxing tips and recommendations!
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Old 01-26-2004, 03:54 PM   #6
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i bought it in the package A with the 3m fabric scotchguard, the sill spray and the under carrage sound dapening spray.
as far as what it does, it's basicly a clear coat.. no biggie.

i was doing the undercoat and the fabric hands down.. adding the sills and paint protection was only like $150 more.
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Old 01-26-2004, 09:43 PM   #7
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Yeah, it was Pence. The salesman was very straightforward with the price and didn't try to change it, I was pleased.

Who was your salesman? Did you happen to notice if they had any STis on the lot?

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Old 01-26-2004, 11:49 PM   #8
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I got the teflon coat as well as the undercar coating. Since Subarus are rust buckets on their 5th year or so (cheap japanese non spot welded, single layered, pressed , well you get the point). I got the coating because my dealer (VERY COOL GUY) didn't just mention... he suggested I bring the car in to have it repainted after surface rust was noticed. He said vinagar would speed the proccess up. Wacko yes ... (he collects 1950's and 60's lunchboxes) Since the WRX paint is the next cheapest thing next to it's glass tranny I figured the 4 dollars more a month wasn't a biggie.I was really pleased with the job they did and I have alittle more peace of mind going into this winter (crap time to buy a brand new BLACK car)
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Old 01-27-2004, 12:08 AM   #9
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I remember the speech and videos. What a waste. And they made it all dramatic trying to convince me. That and the GAP insurance speech. At one point I felt like saying DAMN you feel that way, throw that junk in for free then. Since I had a connection at SIMONIZ I asked him about it and he said it was a rip off for the price. He even gave me some of the same paint sealant they were going to use. I have used Zaino instead. No complaints. And I only spent $50.
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Old 01-27-2004, 08:56 AM   #10
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All add on sticker junk like eternal wax jobs, interior protective coatings and undercoatings are just ways that dealers make additional money by selling very little for a lot of money. I would say no thanks and then investigate later on your own if you really need or want this junk.
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Old 01-27-2004, 12:28 PM   #11
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I think it is worth it, but only if you plan on keeping your car for a long time. If you are going to get another car in 3-4 years, then why bother. I think the never having to wax is BS, though. The other thing is, some of them offer a "lifetime warranty". BUT, you have to pay like $50-$100 every year to have the car redone, or you will lose the warranty.

I had Ziebart done to my car http://www.ziebart.com
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Old 01-28-2004, 08:04 PM   #12
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The rust protection is usually a good idea. Well, only if you live in an area that uses salt.

The rust protection my dealership offers has a lifetime body panel replacement warranty. So if any rust appears they will replace the whole panel not spot fix the rust. If you are familiar with the damage salt does to the metal on cars you will realize this is an awesome deal.

I don't actually sell the protection so I don't remember what it costs but I don't think it was more than a couple hundred dollars. Not bad when you are probably spending over 20gs on your car.
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Old 01-29-2004, 01:25 PM   #13
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do not pay over 200, we do it at my store and it comes with 5 free details for 5 years and if a bird shets on your hood and it stains it we repaint for free!! other wise skip it.
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Old 01-29-2004, 05:03 PM   #14
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If you plan to take good care of your car with at least occasional waxing and such, you'll probably be fine. Rust protection, paint protection and fabric protection are fairly common things that dealers add on near the end of the deal to make a little extra and lots of people pass them up without a second thought. It might give you a little extra peace of mind though. that's exactly why I got rust protection. LIving in Chicago/St. Louis and letting my dad drive the car in the winter, I wanted the extra security, plus the 10 year anti-rust warranty. But the paint protection, no need, i'll be waxing my car. Fabric protection? Easy, i don't eat in the car!
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Old 01-29-2004, 05:04 PM   #15
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What you are getting is lazy-man protection for your car. I love working on my car, but I hate waxing. Basically you are getting free waxing for however long the term of your protection package is. I get a wax job ever 6 mos. for 5 years with the additional security that if anything goes wrong with the paint, they will fix it for free. I also get kid, idiot, and emergency-stop spill protection for my interior.
I have a 02 WRX (that does not have this protection) and I can tell you that the paint sux. I have many chips and scratches. There is also a hole in the paint on the hood the size of a dime from bird doodoo that I didn't get off in time.
I guess it all depends on what you are willing to spend: your time, or your money. As far as price is concerned, you can probably find the same protection for less out there, but can you roll it into the price of your car at 0% or even 5%. What's the rate on your credit card? 8%? 12%? To each his own.
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Old 01-29-2004, 06:13 PM   #16
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with the stuff they offered me... the said you get an extra bottle of stuff and recommend I re-apply a new coat every 6 months for added protection and shininess... but yes, it's basically lazy man protection...
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Old 01-29-2004, 10:46 PM   #17
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Since Subarus are rust buckets on their 5th year or so (cheap japanese non spot welded, single layered, pressed , well you get the point).
My 95 Legacy spent its 1st 5 yrs in MA and another 3 in NJ and it only has a few surface rust spots. I never waxed it once either. All of these sprays, coatings, etc. are pure profit for the dealer at your expense.
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Old 01-30-2004, 02:29 AM   #18
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Since the WRX paint is the next cheapest thing next to it's glass tranny
Where do all these weak tranny posts come from? The tranny is as strong as it needs to be to do the job Subaru intended. How many people have had tranny failures that didn't either mod the motor, drag race, shift badly, or all of the above?
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Old 01-30-2004, 09:43 AM   #19
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More than a few have claimed tranny failure with no abuse. The tranny is known to be a very old design with a weak case. It was designed 20 yrs ago when 100 hp was a lot.
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Old 01-30-2004, 11:17 PM   #20
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Who was your salesman? Did you happen to notice if they had any STis on the lot?

Craig
Bill Fallon. Nice guy and didn't jerk me around, but dorky. I can put up with cheese ball lines for a few hours if I get the price I want.

They had one in the showroom. I only went to the dealer once, and it was at night so I didn't get to check out the lot. If you can wait, I'll be back a week from today to get my options installed and I'll check then.
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Old 01-31-2004, 12:44 PM   #21
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Im not even gonna waste my time on a lengthy post... ill sum it up in the fact that these "protections" will last you just about as long as a coat of wax and the dealership is blowing smoke up your ass about everything...

go to www.autopia.org and learn how to take care of your car yourself, you bought a 20-30k car... now spend some time taking care of it.

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Old 02-02-2004, 11:15 AM   #22
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Bill Fallon. Nice guy and didn't jerk me around, but dorky. I can put up with cheese ball lines for a few hours if I get the price I want.
Cool, I bought my WRX from Bill about a year ago. We agreed to a price over e-mail (way better than I expected), and then I just showed up to pick a color, road test, and do the paperwork. Still took about 5 hours, but it was a good experience. No-nonsense, no-hassle. Good bunch of guys (well, except for the paint/fabric routine, but I'll skip it next time).

The WRX is the 3rd Subaru I've bought from Pence in the last couple years, and they'll definitely get my business next time around. It's about an hour drive from my house, but worth it. The other dealers in this area won't budge on price but Pence consistently comes in near or below invoice every time .

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