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Old 01-28-2004, 04:28 PM   #1
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Question Carbon Fiber Rims?

Anyone know of any company that sells wheels that are carbon fiber? I know i seen them but dont know where I can find them at.

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edit: I ment wheels that are Wrapped with carbon Fiber..
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Old 01-28-2004, 04:32 PM   #2
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I don't know of any off hand. But I can imagine the cost for a set of 4 would be close to what your car is worth.

Go buy some really good forged aluminum rims. Then, have them painted in the CF look. You would still have money left over.
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Old 01-28-2004, 04:35 PM   #3
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I don't know of any off hand. But I can imagine the cost for a set of 4 would be close to what your car is worth.

Go buy some really good forged aluminum rims. Then, have them painted in the CF look. You would still have money left over.
Yea or any rims that are wrapped In Carbon Fiber? I didnt mean whole rims in Carbon Fiber..


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Old 01-28-2004, 04:54 PM   #4
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Old 01-28-2004, 05:07 PM   #5
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http://www.01designsystem.com/
Look nice not that much info or pictures though!!


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Old 01-28-2004, 06:36 PM   #6
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Why don't you call/e-mail them for more information?.. Just like it says on their web site.

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Old 01-28-2004, 06:40 PM   #7
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didnt wnat to waste their time... I want to see what all is out there first!!

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unless properly insulated, aluminum of any kind and Carbon Fiber don't play well together. The CF very quickly corrodes the aluminum.

CF is a fairly un-reasonable material to use for wheels due to it's expense and, because of having to fill the pores between the weaves of fiber in order to make a solid unit-- as it requires pressure (and temperature, ideally) in order to accomplish this, a wheel is a very large part to form, and it is very difficult to form using typical composite forming techniques (vacuum bagging, or shrink-wrapping). While being very light, (somewhere around 7-10 pounds per wheel, depending on size and complexity) they would be very brittle, worse than magnesium.

Good luck finding them, post your results.

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why on earth do you want cf wheels?
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i think cf wheels would be ugly!

but hey its your car
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unless properly insulated, aluminum of any kind and Carbon Fiber don't play well together. The CF very quickly corrodes the aluminum.

CF is a fairly un-reasonable material to use for wheels due to it's expense and, because of having to fill the pores between the weaves of fiber in order to make a solid unit-- as it requires pressure (and temperature, ideally) in order to accomplish this, a wheel is a very large part to form, and it is very difficult to form using typical composite forming techniques (vacuum bagging, or shrink-wrapping). While being very light, (somewhere around 7-10 pounds per wheel, depending on size and complexity) they would be very brittle, worse than magnesium.

Good luck finding them, post your results.

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ok I just wanted to chime in to say that you don't have a ****ing clue what you're talking about. Carbon does not cause corrosion of aluminum. I can point you to MANY applications where carbon fiber tubing/molding is bonded directly to aluminum with no adverse affects.

Also, saying "carbon fiber is brittle" is so foolish you ought to be sitting in the corner just for saying it. There are a wide range of epoxies that can be used for carbon fiber composites and some of them are brittle, but it's very easy to select one that will make a non-brittle structure. Overall a carbon structure will be lighter weight, stiffer overall (given proper design), and vibration-absorbing.

Still - I wouldn't want carbon fiber for my wheels because there are not many places I'd trust to properly mold them.
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Carbon fiber does react poorly with Aluminum unless insulated properly. In some occasions, the cured epoxy is a sufficient barrier, but you can not place carbon fiber directly onto untreated (clear coat, epoxy coat, etc.) aluminum because it will corrode very quickly over a short period of time.

Granted, you can use different epoxies for carbon fiber , which will provide a very small amount of control over the finished part, but why would you want to make a part that rotates at 20-30 rpm (dependin on speed) soft? Every bump you hit would lead to an un-balanced condition, and you'd skip off to work on your oblong wheels--have fun. In order to make carbon fiber stiff, you have to use the long-cure epoxies, and properly heat and compress it during cure.

Let me know the next time you form your own parts, until then, don't assume you know my experience.
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I'll chim in on my end...there are firms that offer carbon wheels (Antera is one), but seriously, what is the point? Are the current alloys not light/strong enough?
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