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Old 01-28-2004, 08:24 PM   #1
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Default Holy Jesus, Nikon D70 frenzy...

Anyone paying attention to the foaming at the mouth concerning the Nikon D70 announcement at PMA? About every third post in the Canon EOS 300D forums at http://www.dpreview.com is talking about it... Apparently people haven't experience two companies competing with each other before. Yes, the D70 may be better in some areas... but then so will Canon's release a month later, then Nikon's (6 months later of course), then Canon's... blah. Get a grip, people!
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Old 01-28-2004, 11:45 PM   #2
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There's some cool stuff on DPreview sometimes, but a lot of 'pixel peepers' too. In pursuit of perfect focus, etc, a lot of those people never graduate from photographing their cats.

The $1k dslrs are cool but it doesn't take long to realize that the real expense is lenses, not the body. I've probably spend 6x as much on lenses as I have on bodies.
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Old 01-28-2004, 11:48 PM   #3
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Anyone paying attention to the foaming at the mouth concerning the Nikon D70 announcement at PMA? About every third post in the Canon EOS 300D forums at http://www.dpreview.com is talking about it... Apparently people haven't experience two companies competing with each other before. Yes, the D70 may be better in some areas... but then so will Canon's release a month later, then Nikon's (6 months later of course), then Canon's... blah. Get a grip, people!
Its a big pissing contest... Its cool though prices will take a nice dive with all the new toys coming out. Ive always liked Nikon...
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Old 01-28-2004, 11:53 PM   #4
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On the bodies maybe, but lens prices stay steady. Canon and Nikon are seeing lens $$$'s in their eyes.

Actually, Tamron and Tokina and Sigma must be loving these bodies too. Canon and Nikon glass are expensive in comparison.

Given the choice, I'd rather have a D30 with nice glass
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Old 01-29-2004, 12:00 AM   #5
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On the bodies maybe, but lens prices stay steady. Canon and Nikon are seeing lens $$$'s in their eyes.

Actually, Tamron and Tokina and Sigma must be loving these bodies too. Canon and Nikon glass are expensive in comparison.

Given the choice, I'd rather have a D30 with nice glass
Good glass is always going to cost.
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Old 01-29-2004, 12:03 AM   #6
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If Nikon doesn't do something quick, I'm switching back to canon.

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/canoneos1dmkii/
8MP, 8.5FPS, full size CMOS sensor


I hate Nikons small sensors. A 17-35 is supposed to be wide angle, not a normal range. I'll have to see what Kodak's replacement for the DCS14N will be like.
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Old 01-29-2004, 12:11 AM   #7
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AFAIK, the 1D MK II is still a 1.3x multiplier, not full-frame like the 1DS. It's still a very nice improvement over the 1.6x for wide angle use.
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AFAIK, the 1D MK II is still a 1.3x multiplier, not full-frame like the 1DS. It's still a very nice improvement over the 1.6x for wide angle use.
oops - missed that. Guess I'm not yet ready to switch to canon.
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Old 01-29-2004, 01:40 AM   #9
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I can live with the 1.6 multiplier....I'm quite content with my Digital Rebel.
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Old 01-29-2004, 08:49 AM   #10
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oops - missed that. Guess I'm not yet ready to switch to canon.
Yeah, there's some confusing info on their preview site. First it says that it's similar in size to the 1Ds (which is full frame), but the specs say different. Maybe what they meant is that it's now a CMOS (like the 1Ds) instead of a CCD?

At any rate, even Nikon's pro dSLR's still only have a 1.5 multiplier, and that doesn't look like it's going to change.
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Old 01-29-2004, 08:51 AM   #11
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I'll stick with my FUJI
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Old 01-30-2004, 02:18 AM   #12
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If Nikon doesn't do something quick, I'm switching back to canon.

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/canoneos1dmkii/
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I hate Nikons small sensors. A 17-35 is supposed to be wide angle, not a normal range. I'll have to see what Kodak's replacement for the DCS14N will be like.
Well the small sensor certainly isn't great. I don't think that a full size sensor is that big of a market. I mean look at the price on the 1D MK II. I am sure some people would be willing to pay for it but Nikon does offer some really wide angle DX lenses if you have the money to burn.

I think the nikon people are just happy to see nikon finally announce some good competition for the digital rebel. Of course Canon will come out with something better and then Nikon will and so one, but for a while it looked like nikon might be falling behind. I am really surprised with the 1/500 flash sync (I think that it is pretty important). Heck, that even beats the 1D MK II (of course the 1D MK II has lots of other stuff that is better than the D70).
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These Foveon image sensors are supposed to do some really wild stuff, like signal processing to add flash to a picture that has already been taken.
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Old 01-30-2004, 03:43 AM   #14
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These Foveon image sensors are supposed to do some really wild stuff, like signal processing to add flash to a picture that has already been taken.
It's not the sensor, it's the raw image processing software that does all that. I owned an SD9 for a few days.
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Yeah, there's some confusing info on their preview site. First it says that it's similar in size to the 1Ds (which is full frame), but the specs say different. Maybe what they meant is that it's now a CMOS (like the 1Ds) instead of a CCD?

At any rate, even Nikon's pro dSLR's still only have a 1.5 multiplier, and that doesn't look like it's going to change.
The MKII is a CMOS sensor now.
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Old 01-30-2004, 08:22 AM   #16
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The MKII is a CMOS sensor now.
Yeah, that's what I just said. I was just trying to figure out why the release appeared to say that the sensor was FF, I think they just meant that is was now CMOS, like the 1Ds.
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Sony released the new DSC-818 which is also in the 1K range.
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Old 01-30-2004, 08:44 AM   #18
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Sony released the new DSC-818 which is also in the 1K range.
And is a total and complete POS. One of the worst Sony has released, apparently. Really shot themselves in the foot. They were so quick to market an 8MP camera that they forgot about things like noise and CA. It's kind of mind-boggling.
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Old 01-30-2004, 08:49 AM   #19
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And is a total and complete POS. One of the worst Sony has released, apparently. Really shot themselves in the foot. They were so quick to market an 8MP camera that they forgot about things like noise and CA. It's kind of mind-boggling.
Tho it was interesting releasing a sensor that reads two more colors..
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Tho it was interesting releasing a sensor that reads two more colors..
One more, which is apparently of questionable value and in fact introduces some color anomolies. Again, they really ****ed up with the 828. You see a lot of folks who bash the DR, get an 828, take the 828 back and buy a DR.
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I'd love a full frame sensor too, but if the 1.5x crop works...and I get the resolution I need, I can learn to live with it and the crop until Nikon makes a FF sensor that's affordable. That means sub 3K. Most pros are cost minded somewhat...unless someone else is footing the bill.

Personally I have used an EOS 1, etc,...but never really liked the way the Pro Canon bodies handled. I never like the way they had the buttons laid out or how they designed their interface between man and machine.

Good glass is good glass... so there's really no debate for me on that issue between Nikon and Canon. They both make some really great lenses, as well as some real crap. Besides, Nikon for me has always had the better flash system. And coupled with a better feeling camera and easier to work with interface... they are the overall winnAr for me.

To each his own I guess. Both companies make good cameras... and it's really all abotu what's comfortable for you. I learned on a Pentax K1000 and an EOS 1 over ten years ago... but I like Nikon camera bodies much more than most of Canon's line.
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I'm not a Flash guy, so I don't really know what I'm talking about... But it sounds like people are up in arms with the Canon 1D MkII announcement since it has 1/250 flash sync instead of 1/500. Supposedly this stems from the switch from CCD to CMOS. Interesting, since Nikon is still CCD and retains a quicker Flash sync... So, it sounds to me like Flash support will continue to be one of their strong points.

FWIW, the D70 sounds great on paper. But it really isn't a direct competitor to the DR, at least for the consumer market, without a $1000 kit. With their new lens, it's closer to $1300. Not sure what they're thinking...
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FWIW, the D70 sounds great on paper. But it really isn't a direct competitor to the DR, at least for the consumer market, without a $1000 kit. With their new lens, it's closer to $1300. Not sure what they're thinking...
Yeah I agree there... Nikon's pricing policies have always been a head scratcher for me too. In the end I find them well worth it... but for the general public, I can see where Nikon is missing the mark.

Maybe they're banking on more pro's/upper level amateurs will pick up the D70 as a back up body...
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just got in and found this thread, so sorry for the blitzkrieg..

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These Foveon image sensors are supposed to do some really wild stuff, like signal processing to add flash to a picture that has already been taken.
foveon is the delorean of the photo industry....
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