STI cracked on by Porsche owner

SubieFL · 08-09-2000, 10:20 AM

A guy that sits right next to me at work seen a Subaru screensaver on my computer with Richard Burn's car and the 555 car in rallies and other races. Well he just drives an old and slow Porsche 944(non-turbo) and said I don't see how such a puny car(Impreza on the screensavers) could be in any races. He said it is so small and has no power. Why?
I think I might take him to the track for a little race with my stock MY00 sedan vs. his stock Porsche 944. Hmmmmm

JGard · 08-09-2000, 10:23 AM

some people just don't get it... and they never will!!

jamie394st · 08-09-2000, 10:27 AM

I know this isn't related, but where did you get that screensaver?

SubieFL · 08-09-2000, 10:31 AM

I got the screensaver from "peaty" on this board. Send him a private message with your email address that can handle over 2 megs and he will gladly send it to you. I would send it to you myself, but since I have a slow computer at work I delete my install files as soon as I install them.

jamie394st · 08-09-2000, 10:55 AM

thanks.

mrbell · 08-09-2000, 11:04 AM

did anyone else see Burns roll the Porsche when he was doing a guest run in the British GT series? at least I think it was the GT series... I guess he's not used to having solid track under his tires...

8Complex · 08-09-2000, 11:13 AM

Hmmmmm... can't have respect for a car that pulls 300+hp out of a 30mm intake opening? (I'm still amazed by that one)

PatMunits · 08-09-2000, 11:25 AM

damn took me twenty minutes but I finally found it (this time I'll "favourite" the link).

SubieFL this all you should need to shut your colleaugue down: http://www.autospeed.com/A_0038/P_3/article.html

NeedaScooby · 08-09-2000, 11:29 AM

Poor, poor man--Just doesn't know what he's missing. But lets not judge all 944 owners as 'Stupid' now---OK

I used to have a '851/2 (yes, the half means something!) 944-N/A-It had to be one of the best handling cars I've ever driven!
Unfortunatley, it lacked on power-
It had the same displacment as the RS but man that was a big 4-banger. It isn't as compact as the flat 4 though.
I would love a '88, '89 944 turbo S or...oh oh oh....A 968 CS-Did they ever make it to these shores-or was it a european only model?

FatChanceTi · 08-09-2000, 11:29 AM

easy on the Porsche 944 guys. When it was introduced it was widely hailed as the benchmark for sportscar handling. It's not all about speed.

Oh, and my 12 year old Porsche was built far superior than my 2 year old impreza.

PatMunits · 08-09-2000, 11:32 AM

from old message list e-mail:

Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:26:48 -0700
From: "Peter Henriksen"
Subject: Text of Oz Subaru ad (OCR, not image)

Gotta love an OCR scanner and Word's spell checker:

***********************************************
AN APOLOGY

Dear Motorists,
Subaru Australia would like to apologise for the article titled 'The Handling Debate' published in a recent issue of AUTOCAR (UK). The contest unfairly pitted the two-wheel drive Porsche 911, BMW M3, Lotus Elise and Peugeot 306 GTi-6 against the All-Wheel Drive Subaru Impreza WRX.

It was not so much the result that has embarrassed us, but the way in which one of the most respected and authoritative motor magazines went about damaging the reputation of the world's mmost prestigious car companies.
It must have been heartbreaking for them to read that Autocar named the All-Wheel Drive Subaru 'The Ultimate Driver's Car' and called it 'one of the outstanding car designs of the decade.'

Obviously Autocar were amazed by the acceleration off the line of the Subaru during the Traction Test. But did they really have to go on and on about it? 'Six and a half thousand revs, dump the clutch and away she goes, And there was nothing even the 911 could to touch it.'

Our hearts go out to all those rear-wheel drive Porsche who paid 5 times the price of the Subaru, only to come a distant second. As if they didn't have enough insecurities already!

And it's hard not to feel for the poor BMW drivers whose M3 clocked up an impressive 46/52mph in the Speed Corner Test, only to read '... that was nothing compared with the beautifully balanced Impreza through the bend. Result? A crushing 52mph in the wet, 58mph in the dry and the widest smile from our driver all day.' Really, how could a two-wheel drive be expected to compete with that?

But it wasn't until Autocar said '... so well balanced was the Subaru's basic handling and so well apportioned was the grip between the four, driven wheels that --- in the dry the Subaru was untouchable.' that the rumours and innuendo began to surface.

For the record, we would like to state that every new Impreza, Forester, Outback and Liberty we sell does in fact contain the unfair advantage of Subaru All-Wheel drive plus our unique flat-four boxer engine and symmetrical drive line - Admittedly, it does make contests like this a little one-sided.

So much so that All-Wheel Drive vehicles have been banned from the world's major motor sport competitions like Formula One. Only the World Rally Championship allows us to demonstrate the full advantages of AWD. A championship, by the way, we've won for the past 3 years.

Even Autocar admits 'a properly sorted All-Wheel Drive car like the Impreza will blitz any two-wheel drive rival in virtually any objective handling contest. That's a truly astonishing result given the quality of the rest of the field.' You see, there was nothing they could do.

In the end the only thing we couldn't handle was all the attention. "There was one very clear winner in this contest. The Impreza was more composed, generally faster and markedly grippier than most of the competition in most of the tests.'

Again, Subaru would like to apologise for any harm or distress this has caused any makers or owners of two-wheel-drive vehicles and outrageously expensive sports cars.

The fact that our All-Wheel Drive vehicles start from $21,9901, (and $39,990* for the Impreza WRX) must simply rub salt into the wound.

For those looking for compensation, please visit your nearest Subaru Dealer. By experiencing All-Wheel Drive yourself, it should go some way to making the whole situation easier to handle,

If you would 1ike a full copy of the Autocar article in question, call Subaru on 1 800 642 454, or visit our website www.subaru.com.au. And remember, we don't write the articles, we just make the cars.

Yours sincerely

Trevor Amery
Managing Director
Subaru Australia

ftp://208.134.164.74/sube-Porsche.gif

NeedaScooby · 08-09-2000, 11:36 AM

I find it somewhat funny that Subaru approves an ad like that when the seeked the help of PORSCHE in sorting out the handling in the B4--HMmmmmmmm-very interesting

Bahumut · 08-09-2000, 11:50 AM

Yeah, doesn't sound right.

I didn't know about Burns driving in the GT! He rolled the car? HA HA HA HA HA! Somebody give me the link to that one!!

wistful · 08-09-2000, 12:13 PM

one wonders why the contest wasn't more even? instead of the 911 Crapera, (typo?) they could've included the Carrera 4 or the Turbo? hmm.... P1 vs. Turbo 911? that oughta be interesting. Oh, but I have a Motoring video that compares the Impreza Type-RA/Type-R, Skyline GT-R R34 V-spec/non, Rx-7, Evo6, and the NSX. It was pretty cool, but they complained that the Impreza suffered from heavy understeer and was 'underpowered'. Odd, considering all these cars are SUPPOSE to have 276hp.

Don

NeedaScooby · 08-09-2000, 12:18 PM

Do you really think the 911 Carrera is Crap?

If so--we have to talk

...Errr...Drive.

RotrPwr · 08-09-2000, 02:10 PM

hmmmm......Porsche 944 owner calling the impreza puny? I think it would be interesting to line the two up for length comparisions. I would be willing to bet that the coupe is almost the same length as the 944. The sedan? forget it...

Darril

Stickee · 08-09-2000, 02:36 PM

I'm pretty sure the sedan and the coupe are the same length.

wistful · 08-09-2000, 04:51 PM

well, ok, maybe not straight-up crap, but I wouldn't buy it. I dunno about the "driving experience" which is, no doubt, very important, but by straight up numbers, the Carrera isn't impressive considering how much money it is. This has been a major complaint of the NSX, which may play a part in its slow sales. After all, its what? 90-100K for a new one? Friggin A! For a car that can barely outrun say... a S4. shoooot, for that much one can get a R34 and even get the 500hp+ upgrade. I dunno. I guess when compared to its big brothers the Turbo and the GT3, and with all the other fantastic cars out, the Carrera isn't high on my buy list that's all. Didn't mean to offend any Carrera owners.

Don

SCRAPPYDO · 08-10-2000, 01:19 AM

I saw burnsie flip that porche, he did not do it by himself, he was trying to avoid a wreck directly in front of him and it clipped the rear of his car and then her rolled. He was in the top ten when it happened!

SCRAPPYDO

Ian Cook · 08-10-2000, 01:34 AM

8Complex, the fact it (The WRC) gets 300BHP is not that great, the fact it gets 540lb/ft of torque is absolutely astonishing

0-60mph in 4 seconds on gravel !!!!

08-09-2000, 10:20 AM	#1
SubieFL Scooby Specialist Member#: 1622 Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Orange City, FL, US Vehicle: 2000 Impreza 2.5 RS Silver	STI cracked on by Porsche owner A guy that sits right next to me at work seen a Subaru screensaver on my computer with Richard Burn's car and the 555 car in rallies and other races. Well he just drives an old and slow Porsche 944(non-turbo) and said I don't see how such a puny car(Impreza on the screensavers) could be in any races. He said it is so small and has no power. Why? I think I might take him to the track for a little race with my stock MY00 sedan vs. his stock Porsche 944. Hmmmmm

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08-09-2000, 10:23 AM	#2
JGard Pooptastic Member#: 1904 Join Date: Jul 2000 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: Salem, MA Vehicle: 2009 WRX Premium 5dr 1991 Mazda Miata	some people just don't get it... and they never will!!

08-09-2000, 10:27 AM	#3
jamie394st Scooby Newbie Member#: 1000 Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: sugar land, tx	I know this isn't related, but where did you get that screensaver?

08-09-2000, 10:31 AM	#4
SubieFL Scooby Specialist Member#: 1622 Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Orange City, FL, US Vehicle: 2000 Impreza 2.5 RS Silver	I got the screensaver from "peaty" on this board. Send him a private message with your email address that can handle over 2 megs and he will gladly send it to you. I would send it to you myself, but since I have a slow computer at work I delete my install files as soon as I install them.

08-09-2000, 10:55 AM	#5
jamie394st Scooby Newbie Member#: 1000 Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: sugar land, tx	thanks.

08-09-2000, 11:04 AM	#6
mrbell Scooby Specialist Member#: 1871 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Vehicle: 2000 Impreza 2.5RS Blue Ridge Pearl	did anyone else see Burns roll the Porsche when he was doing a guest run in the British GT series? at least I think it was the GT series... I guess he's not used to having solid track under his tires...

08-09-2000, 11:13 AM	#7
8Complex Moderator Member#: 922 Join Date: Feb 2000 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Schaumburg, IL Vehicle: 2000 Impreza 2.5RS Silver	Hmmmmm... can't have respect for a car that pulls 300+hp out of a 30mm intake opening? (I'm still amazed by that one)

08-09-2000, 11:25 AM	#8
PatMunits Scooby Newbie Member#: 770 Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Aurora,ON Canada Vehicle: 1999 Impreza 2.5RS Silvethorn Metallic	damn took me twenty minutes but I finally found it (this time I'll "favourite" the link). SubieFL this all you should need to shut your colleaugue down: http://www.autospeed.com/A_0038/P_3/article.html

08-09-2000, 11:29 AM	#9
NeedaScooby Scooby Specialist Member#: 1179 Join Date: Mar 2000 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: WP Vehicle: ?? I don't own one See Above	Poor, poor man--Just doesn't know what he's missing. But lets not judge all 944 owners as 'Stupid' now---OK I used to have a '851/2 (yes, the half means something!) 944-N/A-It had to be one of the best handling cars I've ever driven! Unfortunatley, it lacked on power- It had the same displacment as the RS but man that was a big 4-banger. It isn't as compact as the flat 4 though. I would love a '88, '89 944 turbo S or...oh oh oh....A 968 CS-Did they ever make it to these shores-or was it a european only model?

08-09-2000, 11:29 AM	#10
FatChanceTi Scooby Specialist Member#: 274 Join Date: Sep 1999	easy on the Porsche 944 guys. When it was introduced it was widely hailed as the benchmark for sportscar handling. It's not all about speed. Oh, and my 12 year old Porsche was built far superior than my 2 year old impreza.

08-09-2000, 11:32 AM	#11
PatMunits Scooby Newbie Member#: 770 Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Aurora,ON Canada Vehicle: 1999 Impreza 2.5RS Silvethorn Metallic	from old message list e-mail: Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:26:48 -0700 From: "Peter Henriksen" Subject: Text of Oz Subaru ad (OCR, not image) Gotta love an OCR scanner and Word's spell checker: *********************************************** AN APOLOGY Dear Motorists, Subaru Australia would like to apologise for the article titled 'The Handling Debate' published in a recent issue of AUTOCAR (UK). The contest unfairly pitted the two-wheel drive Porsche 911, BMW M3, Lotus Elise and Peugeot 306 GTi-6 against the All-Wheel Drive Subaru Impreza WRX. It was not so much the result that has embarrassed us, but the way in which one of the most respected and authoritative motor magazines went about damaging the reputation of the world's mmost prestigious car companies. It must have been heartbreaking for them to read that Autocar named the All-Wheel Drive Subaru 'The Ultimate Driver's Car' and called it 'one of the outstanding car designs of the decade.' Obviously Autocar were amazed by the acceleration off the line of the Subaru during the Traction Test. But did they really have to go on and on about it? 'Six and a half thousand revs, dump the clutch and away she goes, And there was nothing even the 911 could to touch it.' Our hearts go out to all those rear-wheel drive Porsche who paid 5 times the price of the Subaru, only to come a distant second. As if they didn't have enough insecurities already! And it's hard not to feel for the poor BMW drivers whose M3 clocked up an impressive 46/52mph in the Speed Corner Test, only to read '... that was nothing compared with the beautifully balanced Impreza through the bend. Result? A crushing 52mph in the wet, 58mph in the dry and the widest smile from our driver all day.' Really, how could a two-wheel drive be expected to compete with that? But it wasn't until Autocar said '... so well balanced was the Subaru's basic handling and so well apportioned was the grip between the four, driven wheels that --- in the dry the Subaru was untouchable.' that the rumours and innuendo began to surface. For the record, we would like to state that every new Impreza, Forester, Outback and Liberty we sell does in fact contain the unfair advantage of Subaru All-Wheel drive plus our unique flat-four boxer engine and symmetrical drive line - Admittedly, it does make contests like this a little one-sided. So much so that All-Wheel Drive vehicles have been banned from the world's major motor sport competitions like Formula One. Only the World Rally Championship allows us to demonstrate the full advantages of AWD. A championship, by the way, we've won for the past 3 years. Even Autocar admits 'a properly sorted All-Wheel Drive car like the Impreza will blitz any two-wheel drive rival in virtually any objective handling contest. That's a truly astonishing result given the quality of the rest of the field.' You see, there was nothing they could do. In the end the only thing we couldn't handle was all the attention. "There was one very clear winner in this contest. The Impreza was more composed, generally faster and markedly grippier than most of the competition in most of the tests.' Again, Subaru would like to apologise for any harm or distress this has caused any makers or owners of two-wheel-drive vehicles and outrageously expensive sports cars. The fact that our All-Wheel Drive vehicles start from $21,9901, (and $39,990* for the Impreza WRX) must simply rub salt into the wound. For those looking for compensation, please visit your nearest Subaru Dealer. By experiencing All-Wheel Drive yourself, it should go some way to making the whole situation easier to handle, If you would 1ike a full copy of the Autocar article in question, call Subaru on 1 800 642 454, or visit our website www.subaru.com.au. And remember, we don't write the articles, we just make the cars. Yours sincerely Trevor Amery Managing Director Subaru Australia ftp://208.134.164.74/sube-Porsche.gif

08-09-2000, 11:36 AM	#12
NeedaScooby Scooby Specialist Member#: 1179 Join Date: Mar 2000 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: WP Vehicle: ?? I don't own one See Above	I find it somewhat funny that Subaru approves an ad like that when the seeked the help of PORSCHE in sorting out the handling in the B4--HMmmmmmmm-very interesting

08-09-2000, 11:50 AM	#13
Bahumut Scooby Newbie Member#: 460 Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Overland Park, KS, USA Vehicle: 1995 Impreza Wagon Brilliant Red/Slade	Yeah, doesn't sound right. I didn't know about Burns driving in the GT! He rolled the car? HA HA HA HA HA! Somebody give me the link to that one!!

08-09-2000, 12:13 PM	#14
wistful Scooby Specialist Member#: 745 Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI Vehicle: 2004 STi Java Black Pearl	one wonders why the contest wasn't more even? instead of the 911 Crapera, (typo?) they could've included the Carrera 4 or the Turbo? hmm.... P1 vs. Turbo 911? that oughta be interesting. Oh, but I have a Motoring video that compares the Impreza Type-RA/Type-R, Skyline GT-R R34 V-spec/non, Rx-7, Evo6, and the NSX. It was pretty cool, but they complained that the Impreza suffered from heavy understeer and was 'underpowered'. Odd, considering all these cars are SUPPOSE to have 276hp. Don

08-09-2000, 12:18 PM	#15
NeedaScooby Scooby Specialist Member#: 1179 Join Date: Mar 2000 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: WP Vehicle: ?? I don't own one See Above	Do you really think the 911 Carrera is Crap? If so--we have to talk ...Errr...Drive.

08-09-2000, 02:10 PM	#16
RotrPwr Scooby Newbie Member#: 1506 Join Date: May 2000 Location: Charlotte, NC Vehicle: 1993 RX-7 Competition Yellow Mica	hmmmm......Porsche 944 owner calling the impreza puny? I think it would be interesting to line the two up for length comparisions. I would be willing to bet that the coupe is almost the same length as the 944. The sedan? forget it... Darril

08-09-2000, 02:36 PM	#17
Stickee NASIOC Supporter Member#: 530 Join Date: Nov 1999 Chapter/Region: E. Canada Location: I wonder how long you could ma Vehicle: 2005 9-2x Aero FastAr Red	I'm pretty sure the sedan and the coupe are the same length.

08-09-2000, 04:51 PM	#18
wistful Scooby Specialist Member#: 745 Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI Vehicle: 2004 STi Java Black Pearl	well, ok, maybe not straight-up crap, but I wouldn't buy it. I dunno about the "driving experience" which is, no doubt, very important, but by straight up numbers, the Carrera isn't impressive considering how much money it is. This has been a major complaint of the NSX, which may play a part in its slow sales. After all, its what? 90-100K for a new one? Friggin A! For a car that can barely outrun say... a S4. shoooot, for that much one can get a R34 and even get the 500hp+ upgrade. I dunno. I guess when compared to its big brothers the Turbo and the GT3, and with all the other fantastic cars out, the Carrera isn't high on my buy list that's all. Didn't mean to offend any Carrera owners. Don

08-10-2000, 01:19 AM	#19
SCRAPPYDO Scooby Specialist Member#: 873 Join Date: Feb 2000 Chapter/Region: TXIC Location: Webster, TX Vehicle: 2008 Mazdaspeed3 1971 240Z	I saw burnsie flip that porche, he did not do it by himself, he was trying to avoid a wreck directly in front of him and it clipped the rear of his car and then her rolled. He was in the top ten when it happened! SCRAPPYDO

08-10-2000, 01:34 AM	#20
Ian Cook Scooby Newbie Member#: 1228 Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: UK Vehicle: 1993 Group N Impreza White (Mostly) ;)	8Complex, the fact it (The WRC) gets 300BHP is not that great, the fact it gets 540lb/ft of torque is absolutely astonishing 0-60mph in 4 seconds on gravel !!!!