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Old 02-12-2004, 09:35 AM   #1
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At the Track Toyota enters NASCAR with a strong showing

Toyota's first ever attempt to qualify for a NASCAR race in the truck series ended up with all 4 Toyota entries in the top 12 for the opening race of the season this Friday night at Daytona International Speedway. The fastest Toyota was driven by Travis Kvapil and qualified in 3rd position with an average speed of 182.830mph only -0.218 behind the leader.

Lineup: http://www.nascar.com/races/truck/20...ta/lineup.html

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http://www.nascar.com/2004/news/head...ole/index.html

It's gonna be interesting with a foreign manufacturer in the series, even more interesting when they enter the Nextel Cup series in 2006. I wonder if we'll see Nissan step up with their new Nissan Titan pickup....afterall it's built in the U.S.A. too.
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Old 02-12-2004, 09:57 AM   #2
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I really hate anything to do with Nascar, but I might watch that race. Isn't it on Friday night?

I would love to see all the Good ol'boys get all worked up if Toyota does well.
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Old 02-12-2004, 10:17 AM   #3
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That is an amazing accompishment, even if none of them finish.

To qualify ALL their trucks in the first event they've ever tried to enter is huge.

To have all but 1 in the top half of the field is simply amazing. TRD must be delighted.
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Old 02-12-2004, 10:37 AM   #4
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too bad they had to cheat in rally
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Old 02-12-2004, 11:31 AM   #5
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too bad they had to cheat in rally
You should probably change that to too bad they got caught cheating. Im sure other manufacuters were cheating at that time and probably currently they just havent been caught....yet.
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Old 02-12-2004, 01:21 PM   #6
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Wink Well I'm going to "out" myself

I must admit that I actually tuned into Speeds coverage of the Truck qualifying. I was more than a little interested in how the Toyota's would do.

Maybe instead of NASCAR bashing we could just convert them to road racing

JD - still a road race fan at heart...
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Old 02-12-2004, 02:54 PM   #7
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Maybe instead of NASCAR bashing we could just convert them to road racing
One step at a time. One step at a time...

Getting the cars' mechanicals to *remotely* resemble the production vehicle would be a nice step too.
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Old 02-12-2004, 02:55 PM   #8
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Maybe instead of NASCAR bashing we could just convert them to road racing

JD - still a road race fan at heart...
I'm all for that, give them a few ovals; Daytona, Talledega, Bristol, Darligton...and them make the remaining 28 or so races all on road courses, that would rule!
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Old 02-12-2004, 02:58 PM   #9
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Id like to see a racing series like this:

12 races a year

2 ovals (one super speedway, one short track)
1 dirt short oval
3 'rally' type courses
6 road courses, 3 of which should be city street type courses like monaco, the others your standard super smooth dedicated road course.

and force teams to use the same car for all races.

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Old 02-12-2004, 08:14 PM   #10
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Default I have to admit.....

...even though I have been a NASCAR hater for about the last 15 yrs, I watched the Truck practice and qualifying with GREAT interest, as I was so anxious to see Toyota do well. They had been making steady progress since the first practice where they were either sandbagging or just not there yet on hp. So, it was pretty fun yesterday when Kvapil all of a sudden did that fast lap to qualify 3rd, inside second row. Not to mention the other 3 Toyos in the top 12. Great showing.

It's really really funny to go to the various NASCAR boards right now and see all the anti-Toyota stuff going on. "Nascar only for Americans......blah....remember pearl harbor.....japs cant build fast trucks....blah.....Ford rules.....blah blah blah. Hysterical. I'm so embarrassed for them and all that pea-brained throw-back nationalism.

The fact is, the rules are so tight on the series specs, and pushrod V8 race motors are so old-tech and well known, that any manufacturer with money and good management could come in and do just as Toyota has. You just have to hire the right folks as they have. Just the same, I love seeing the arrogant "big three" folks freak out completely over this, so hats off to Toyota. I'll be rooting them on all year for sure. Bring on Nissan, too.
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Old 02-12-2004, 08:34 PM   #11
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Bring on Nissan, too.
Since GM owns part of Subaru now you think we could throw a GM V8 in a Baja and get Subaru into Nascar?
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Old 02-12-2004, 09:26 PM   #12
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Oh what I would give to see THAT.

Could someone please give us a photochop idea of what that might look like?

Please?

Just widen it and lower it, add the requisite "aereo package", cab roll cage extentions to the bed, cover the bed, add window nets and big rear downforce spoiler, standard issue series wheels, and a NASIOC sponsor/decal package, and we're there. We can call it the NASCARU. OR NECKARU, or um......whatever. BAHASCAR? OK, I should stop now.
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Old 02-12-2004, 10:05 PM   #13
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i may turn this on tomorrow night to see the redneck's freak out that a japanese V8 is superior to a domestic V8 in their first year in nascar
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Old 02-13-2004, 12:37 AM   #14
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Old 02-13-2004, 12:46 AM   #15
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UPDATE:

overhead cam tech is older than pushrod tech.


USA sackriding is no worse than import sackriding

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...even though I have been a NASCAR hater for about the last 15 yrs, I watched the Truck practice and qualifying with GREAT interest, as I was so anxious to see Toyota do well. They had been making steady progress since the first practice where they were either sandbagging or just not there yet on hp. So, it was pretty fun yesterday when Kvapil all of a sudden did that fast lap to qualify 3rd, inside second row. Not to mention the other 3 Toyos in the top 12. Great showing.

It's really really funny to go to the various NASCAR boards right now and see all the anti-Toyota stuff going on. "Nascar only for Americans......blah....remember pearl harbor.....japs cant build fast trucks....blah.....Ford rules.....blah blah blah. Hysterical. I'm so embarrassed for them and all that pea-brained throw-back nationalism.

The fact is, the rules are so tight on the series specs, and pushrod V8 race motors are so old-tech and well known, that any manufacturer with money and good management could come in and do just as Toyota has. You just have to hire the right folks as they have. Just the same, I love seeing the arrogant "big three" folks freak out completely over this, so hats off to Toyota. I'll be rooting them on all year for sure. Bring on Nissan, too.
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Old 02-13-2004, 05:43 AM   #16
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Thanks for the history lesson Mr. Z06, I didnt mean to hurt your feelings. It's a nice car you have.

To rephrase for you, building carb'd pushrod V8 Nascar-style race motors is an old and well understood game at this point, and is therefore old hat and low tech.....nothing new about it, so there is no engine technology advantage for the big three. There are many many guys/shops in the US alone who have the expertise to build them to series spec and to within 5 hp of each other. Not to mention Australia or Canada. The point is, any one of those folks could be hired to do it for any new manufacturer that wanted in, and wanted to cast their own. Money is the only barrier, there is no technology mystery, not that you could convince yer average NASCAR fan of that. You want a KIA or Hyundai or Suzuki or Skoda Carb'd V8 Nascar-spec race motor? It can be had. Not many companies in the rest of the world interested in pushrod engine development, though; Too much weight/size and gas consumption required to get a good hp numbers. Like I said, old tech. Toyota was smart to do it though, because they know that to sell big trucks in the USA and to rival Ford, they gotta have big motors and race em on ovals, to impress Cletus.

Any sackriding that includes right turns, is better than sackriding with only left turns, where-ever it is done and with whichever brand of sack, from whichever country of origin.

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You should probably change that to too bad they got caught cheating. Im sure other manufacuters were cheating at that time and probably currently they just havent been caught....yet.

what now? never heard of this
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Old 02-13-2004, 06:21 AM   #18
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what now? never heard of this
Its competition someone is always pushing the limits of the rules somewhere. I cant think of any competitive event that wouldnt have a cheater somewhere in it.
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Old 02-13-2004, 07:06 AM   #19
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Sorry, as a Tundra owner I can't really get too excited about a tube frame, pushrod V8 powered race car that was re-skinned to look something vaugely like the truck I own. Nevermind that I can't understand the attraction to racing "trucks" (which are just reskinned racecars) to begin with. Not a huge suprise that they are succeeding already given that they aren't really doing anything new.....
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Old 02-13-2004, 07:16 AM   #20
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Not a huge suprise that they are succeeding already given that they aren't really doing anything new.....
This is ALL new for Toyota. The technology may be rather outdated as far as consumer vehicles go, but that's exactly why Toyota is new to this.

I'd like to tune in tonight to watch the race, but we'll see whether the GF will allow that during her birthday party
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The best part is the only thing Toyota is the body and motor. Everything else is the same.
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The best part is the only thing Toyota is the body and motor. Everything else is the same.
And Toyota builds their own cast iron blocks, a feat in itself considering all of Toyota's recent blocks were aluminum. They opened a new, specialized TRD facility just to produce these blocks! Cast-Iron V8 blocks that can spin up to 9,000 rpm putting out 600-800 HP....pretty cool if you ask me. Outdated...maybe, but cool none-the-less.

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Found some... uhh... entertaining threads on NASCAR boards:

.....

All I can say is
Unfortunately ignorance and bigotry still exists. Don't let the views of a few vocal idiots distort what the majority think is right and wrong.
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Yeah, thankfully most of the people who started those threads were put in their place... but a disappointingly large number of people agreed too...
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Sorry, as a Tundra owner I can't really get too excited about a tube frame, pushrod V8 powered race car that was re-skinned to look something vaugely like the truck I own. Nevermind that I can't understand the attraction to racing "trucks" (which are just reskinned racecars) to begin with. Not a huge suprise that they are succeeding already given that they aren't really doing anything new.....
I agree! The rules state that the body from the base of the windscreen forward is up to manufacturer and base of the windscreen rearward must be identical between all brands

So develop a nose in the wind tunnel and bolt it on the Spec chassis and itís a Tundra race truck!


What's next a Camry in the Nextel Cup series running a V8
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