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Old 09-07-2000, 10:44 AM   #1
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Question OT: Which Honda's are VTEC?

I am curious here...'cause I see so many of those things with "aftermarket" VTEC stickers on 'em....which ones actually are? I want to be able to point and laugh at the liars.

Anyone know?

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Old 09-07-2000, 10:45 AM   #2
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top of the line models of prelude, civic, and integra... and i think that's it. by top-of-the-line, i mean Si, or Type R (again, could be fudged)
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Old 09-07-2000, 10:48 AM   #3
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thats right.. all preludes, the civic si. those have the V-tec engines.
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Old 09-07-2000, 10:49 AM   #4
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Only Civic Si's in that line, but Integra GSR's and Type-R's both get it and all Preludes have it. If you want to get expensive S2000's and NSX's too
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Old 09-07-2000, 10:52 AM   #5
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Vtec is not such a big deal anymore, the lower models are getting vtec too. I had a '97 civic hx that had vtec, no big deal though cause it put out a whopping 115hp.

I think the civic ex has it too.

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Old 09-07-2000, 10:55 AM   #6
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That's correct.

There are a WHOLE LOT of VTEC models now, not just the high HP performance ones.

The Civic HX is a sohc vtec lean-burn motor. (It goes way over 20:1 a/f ratio during cruise-- and gets over 42MPG on the highway.)
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Old 09-07-2000, 10:56 AM   #7
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the new low end civics do not have VTEC, and last time i checked, not all the preludes have it either... only the type-sh
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the Civic EX/Si, all ludes, the Integra GSR/Type-R. There are more, but I can't remember them.
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Old 09-07-2000, 10:59 AM   #9
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Don't want to sound like an ass JGard but all preludes get it...both the regular and the sh have 2.2l VTEC engines.
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Old 09-07-2000, 11:00 AM   #10
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I thought VTEC is only a valve thing not a hp thing???? At least not that much hp, right???
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Old 09-07-2000, 11:01 AM   #11
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ok, sorry... never really looked too hard in to it
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All I know is that the current Civic EX has SOHC VTEC engine while the Si has DOHC VTEC engine.
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Nowadays, well on some racers. The badge doesn't mean anything,not that I agree with the Type R stickers. You have your sleepers, with the hybrid motors ---> LS/Vtec's, Type R's, GSR's and Type Sh motors in civics. Some buy the HX model, cheapest of all, and just gut it out. Thats where the power to weight ratio kicks in. So becareful when trying to punk some of these "sleepers" You might get big slice of humble pie.
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Old 09-07-2000, 11:30 AM   #14
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I am curious mainly 'cause I saw a previous generation Civic EX with a big 'ol VTEC sticker on it's rear window. The car was dropped down to the ground too. However, it had stock rims (with the stock plastic hubcaps) and stock exhaust. The guy driving it was sitting a mile away from the wheel...and had the "I think I am cool man" look on his face.

I'm thinking (IMHO) cut springs, VTEC only 'cause it looks cool, and attitude. Either way I could have probably blown his doors off.

Generally the Hondas I watch out for are the ones with nice rims and rubber on the rear, and steel wheels up front...if ya know what I mean.

However...I think more people are doing that for looks...but ya still gotta be careful. Regardless if they dare follow me into the twisties they are in for a surprise!

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My friend has a 99 accord and it too has a VTEC engine. It's a 4. So put that one on the list.
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Old 09-07-2000, 11:47 AM   #16
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ok guys time to lay a smackdown with my vast honda expertise... hehe

most have VTEC now -
all Preludes
Civic EX, Si, VTEC-E on the HX CVT/5sp
NSX
S2K
GS-R & type R
ALL 4cyl accord motors (dx, lx) as well as the 3.2 sixes (TL, CL/CLS)

oh yea btw, the HX isnt the cheapest of all civics, and lude motors really arent swappable into anything.. not to diss anyone but N/A subes can't take most of the above in a straight, with the exception of the civics and lower-trim integras

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Old 09-07-2000, 03:10 PM   #17
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Exactly what Bri99RS said,
The latest civic craze is to take a CX hatchback and drop in a B20 CRV engine with a JDM Type R B16a head. We can run with a USDM Si coupe, but most of these B18c and other larger engined hybrids in a hatch will bury us in a straight line, and they aren't to bad in the turns either.

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Old 09-08-2000, 12:08 AM   #18
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Kooshdog, and others,
It really depends on if you are talking current year only or are including older models.
Until recently not all ludes were VTEC. The H23a's on the pre-98 ludes is not VTEC. The H22a on the SH's is. (also, I know of several civics that have had this engine dropped in. There is an article in SCC a few months back about an H23 in a Del Sol)
As for civics, From 92-95 the VX, HX, EX and SI all had VTEC engines. Only the SI Del Sols got the DOHC b16a's. All other others were D15 or D15 SOHC models.
VTEC can be used for performance or for economy/emissions. That is part of why Honda makes so many engines.
I used to have a non-VTEC HYBRID civic that was 137hp. A lot of the VTEC crowd disses this ZC engine, but up until you could get a B16a in the states, it was the engine to have over the 132hp D16z6 VTECS in the civic EX's.
All right, I'll get off my soapbox now.
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Old 09-08-2000, 12:40 AM   #19
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here's some info on VTEC, around before 1990 accroding to this 1990 R&T article on the NSX

snip snip...

...There's no magic to making this kind of power; it's all been done before--well, at least by Honda. The valvetrain employs
Honda's VTEC system (Variable Valve Timing and Lift Electronic Control System), which was first used on the firm's
motorcycle engines in 1983 and more recently in home-market versions of the CRX and Integra. Each set of intake and
exhaust valves has three rocker arms that correspond to three camshaft lobes. During low-speed operation, the outer two arms
and lobes actuate the valves in a conventional manner. As revs climb to between 5800 and 6000 rpm, the third arm, which
follows the center cam lobe with higher lift and longer duration, is hydraulically engaged to the outer two. Both valves are now
forced to follow the more aggressive lobe, and the result is 20 more bhp and 500 more revs, by Honda's reckoning. By ours,
the system's intervention is imperceptible. There's no interruption of power or surge felt from middle revs to the glorious
8000-rpm redline.
Deeper within the steel-sleeved aluminum block are more treasures. A fully counterweighted forged-steel crank isn't too
unusual, but the beautifully crafted titanium connecting rods are extraordinary; their lightness partially accounts for the dizzying
revs this engine can reach. Intake air is handled by a variable-volume induction system, with a separate magnesium plenum
under the main system. Manifold vacuum opens six butterfly valves at approximately 4800 rpm to create one large chamber,
producing an inertia ram tuning effect that increases high-end breathing and horsepower. Fuel delivery is by Honda's own
sequential-port fuel injection, and the fireworks are lighted by a direct ignition system, with individual coils atop each
platinum-tipped plug, triggered by a sensor keyed to one of the belt-driven camshafts
...
...
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Old 09-08-2000, 12:59 AM   #20
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Remember that a lot of hybrids start out as low end civic models. So its really hard to tell just by looking a civic cx for instance with a big vtec sticker and assuming that it doesn't have a high end vtec motor under the hood.

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