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Old 07-28-2013, 07:55 PM   #451
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I have an 03 wrx and the coolant keeps over flowing the over flow bottle and gets every where and then starts to over heat due to lack of coolant in radiator and i dont know if its the thermostat or a combination of things. Please help thanks....
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Old 07-28-2013, 07:58 PM   #452
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Sounds like a bad rad cap. Its not letting the system vent properly. Start with a new upper rad cap first
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Old 07-29-2013, 12:18 AM   #453
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Make sure you don't have the caps swapped. The lower pressure cap should be on the expansion tank right above the turbo. The higher pressure cap should be on the radiator. If you get them backwards, your system won't purge air out and your overflow bottle can fill up.

The lower pressure cap has ears, the higher pressure cap doesn't.
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Old 08-03-2013, 12:45 AM   #454
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Quick question. I plan on doing a complete coolant flush due to the fact that I have to replace my GrimmSpeed Thermostat which is stuck in the closed position with a Subaru OEM Thermostat and Gasket.

I plan on completely flushing the coolant system out with distilled water multiple times until everything comes out clear and then filling the system back up with Subaru Coolant. Can I use Redline's Water Wetter ( or another similar product that performs better ) with the Subaru Coolant? Is it compatible? Will it cause any issues ( i.e. turbo coolant lines, water pump seals, Koyo Radiator, etc. )? Or should I just keep it simple and just use the Subaru Coolant on its own?

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Old 08-04-2013, 12:13 AM   #455
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I see people suggesting that, but I don't see where it makes any difference. To give more perspective. I live in Phoenix, Arizona. I've never owned a car that needed additives like that, even when climbing a steep grade in the summer as long as the cooling system was well maintained. The only times I've had problems was when the previous owner didn't take proper care and there was a lot of corrosion.

Currently have 2002 WRX, previous cars... 1986 MR2, 1979 Z-28, 1973 RX-3, assorted used cars foreign and domestic.

Just do what you're planning on doing and you should be fine. Not sure why you'd need a water wetter. Any improvement in heat transfer would be minor with a clean system.
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Old 08-04-2013, 12:54 AM   #456
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I see people suggesting that, but I don't see where it makes any difference. To give more perspective. I live in Phoenix, Arizona. I've never owned a car that needed additives like that, even when climbing a steep grade in the summer as long as the cooling system was well maintained. The only times I've had problems was when the previous owner didn't take proper care and there was a lot of corrosion.

Currently have 2002 WRX, previous cars... 1986 MR2, 1979 Z-28, 1973 RX-3, assorted used cars foreign and domestic.

Just do what you're planning on doing and you should be fine. Not sure why you'd need a water wetter. Any improvement in heat transfer would be minor with a clean system.
I think I'll keep it simple and just use the Subaru Coolant without adding the Redline Water Wetter. About a year ago, I had my EJ207 Short Block rebuilt ( just new ACL Race Bearings throughout and new Piston Rings ) along with installing Tomei Phase 2 Complete Heads. I purchased the Koyo Radiator that I'm currently running brand new about five or six years ago along with brand new Samco Radiator Hoses so I know or at least think that my cooling system is in great condition.

When I flush out the coolant system, I'll use a 50/50 ratio of Distilled Water and Distilled White Vinegar and then once that's been heat cycled, cooled, then drained, I'll flush it out multiple times with just straight Distilled Water multiple times using the same process stated above.

Should I use the 50/50 ratio of Distilled Water / Distilled White Vinegar just once or should I flush it out multiple times with that mixture to take care if any calcification, scale, or impurity buildup?

Once that's complete, then I'll fill the system with Subaru Coolant. Would anyone recommend using the Subaru Coolant Conditioner or should I just fill the system back up with just the Subaru Coolant by itself?

Edit - When initially flushing the coolant system with a 50/50 mix of Distilled Water and Distilled White Vinegar, after I have completely drained the coolant system of all the old coolant, should I leave out the thermostat prior to using the 50/50 mix of Distilled Water and Distilled White Vinegar?

This question also applies to when I drain the 50/50 mix of Distilled Water and Distilled White Vinegar and flush the coolant system multiple times with straight Distilled Water.

After the coolant system has been sufficiently flushed out with Distilled Water, then I'll install a new Subaru OEM Thermostat with the accompanied gasket and fill the coolant system with Subaru Coolant.

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Old 08-05-2013, 12:57 AM   #457
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Congrats on the Koyo radiator. I installed one after the upper tank on the original radiator split. It didn't make sense to replace it with another factory radiator.

Why do you want to flush your system? I flushed mine because there was a lot of build up in my expansion tank. I hadn't been doing the recommended coolant change. (Hadn't changed coolant since I bought the car new. Not a good idea!)

I used Prestone 80032 Aluminum Radiator Flush. Make sure you use a product that states it's safe for aluminum radiators. Some of them aren't. I only used half the bottle and didn't run it for as long as directed. Maybe only five minutes then let the system cool down. I then flushed the system several times. I kept filling it with distilled water, warming it up then draining it until the water was clear. It took around six or seven times. If I hadn't seen any deposits in my expansion tank I wouldn't have bothered to flush the system.

Remove the thermostat while flushing and rinsing. You want maximum flow. Don't worry about the heater controls. There isn't a valve in the heater lines. The heater core always has coolant circulating through it.

I found a fast way to do all this. I was able to rinse the engine and heater six times in an afternoon. Drop me an email if you want the details.

The Subaru cooling system conditioner seems to be a good product. I tried it before replacing my old radiator. It reduced a stream about the size of a large paper clip wire to mere seepage. I think it would have fixed the leak if the tank didn't flex under pressure. Later I took the old radiator apart to look for signs of clogging or build up. It was clean.

Subaru started recommending it back around 2004. The 2.5 liter engines had a head gasket leak that leaked coolant. Subaru recommended the conditioner instead of head gasket replacement. Subaru extended the cooling system warranty for the affected engines to 8 years or 100,000 miles as long as the conditioner was used and coolant was serviced according to the owners manual. There's a Subaru technical bulletin WWP-99 that discusses it.

There's also an End Wrench article titled "Cooling System Overview" from May 2005. Also Subaru TSB 09-47-07 says to use it.

I don't think it does anything for a system that isn't leaking but it's cheap insurance.

Look in the Unabomber Manifesto Cooling FAQs for more info. I give detailed instructions on filling the bugeye radiator without having to burp it in post #421, about page 17.

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Old 08-05-2013, 05:39 AM   #458
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Congrats on the Koyo radiator. I installed one after the upper tank on the original radiator split. It didn't make sense to replace it with another factory radiator.

Why do you want to flush your system? I flushed mine because there was a lot of build up in my expansion tank. I hadn't been doing the recommended coolant change. (Hadn't changed coolant since I bought the car new. Not a good idea!)

I used Prestone 80032 Aluminum Radiator Flush. Make sure you use a product that states it's safe for aluminum radiators. Some of them aren't. I only used half the bottle and didn't run it for as long as directed. Maybe only five minutes then let the system cool down. I then flushed the system several times. I kept filling it with distilled water, warming it up then draining it until the water was clear. It took around six or seven times. If I hadn't seen any deposits in my expansion tank I wouldn't have bothered to flush the system.

Remove the thermostat while flushing and rinsing. You want maximum flow. Don't worry about the heater controls. There isn't a valve in the heater lines. The heater core always has coolant circulating through it.

I found a fast way to do all this. I was able to rinse the engine and heater six times in an afternoon. Drop me an email if you want the details.

The Subaru cooling system conditioner seems to be a good product. I tried it before replacing my old radiator. It reduced a stream about the size of a large paper clip wire to mere seepage. I think it would have fixed the leak if the tank didn't flex under pressure. Later I took the old radiator apart to look for signs of clogging or build up. It was clean.

Subaru started recommending it back around 2004. The 2.5 liter engines had a head gasket leak that leaked coolant. Subaru recommended the conditioner instead of head gasket replacement. Subaru extended the cooling system warranty for the affected engines to 8 years or 100,000 miles as long as the conditioner was used and coolant was serviced according to the owners manual. There's a Subaru technical bulletin WWP-99 that discusses it.

There's also an End Wrench article titled "Cooling System Overview" from May 2005. Also Subaru TSB 09-47-07 says to use it.

I don't think it does anything for a system that isn't leaking but it's cheap insurance.

Look in the Unabomber Manifesto Cooling FAQs for more info. I give detailed instructions on filling the bugeye radiator without having to burp it in post #421, about page 17.
Thanks for all the great information, I really appreciate it. The main reason that I want to completely clean and flush out the coolant system and replace the coolant with Subaru OEM Coolant with the addition of the Subaru Coolant Conditioner is that I have so much money invested into my build, I would rather spend a few extra dollar bucks and time to have that piece of mind and use the recommended Subaru Coolant along with the Subaru Coolant Conditioner just in case I were to have issues with my coolant system or long block in the future. I would rather spend the time and money now and use the recommended fluids to ensure a sound coolant system that won't cause potential issues later on.

That being said, after reading all twelve pages of this thread, flushing the coolant system once or twice without the thermostat installed with a 50/50 mix of Distilled Water and Distilled White Vinegar ( filling the system with said mixture, heating the system, cooling, draining, and repeating ) to rid the entire coolant system of what's in there now in addition to calcification, scale, buildup, etc. and then flushing the coolant system multiple times with straight distilled water until everything comes out clear, installing a Subaru OEM Thermostat and accompanied gasket ( I'm currently running a GrimmSpeed Thermostat which is stuck in the closed position ), then filling the coolant system back up with Subaru Coolant along with the Subaru Coolant Conditioner. At least I would know what type of coolant is in the coolant system and that it's at the proper dilution ratio due to the fact that now I'm not sure if I'm running the proper type of coolant and at what ratio of coolant to water was used ( if it's distilled, tap, well water, etc. ) due to a front end fender bender courtesy of Subaru's fantastic ABS System.

The body shop did a fantastic job of replacing my front end ( both fenders, hood, front bumper, headlights, front grill, and they even threw in a great, upgraded front lip due to my JDM V7 V2 Lip not being able to be repaired or replaced due to the fact that they haven't been produced in close to a decade, surprisingly there was no damage to the engine bay other than a ruptured upper radiator hose ), but I don't know what type of coolant was used and at what ratio.

I know this seems a bit OCD, but it's my car and I know everything that's been installed and what type of fluids I'm running with the exclusion of the coolant. I'm sure by now you can tell I'm a bit of a control freak when it comes to my MY02 WRX, but I would rather do this the right way myself so I don't run into a situation where my coolant system or long block has problems due to a simple oversight on the body shops behalf.

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Old 08-06-2013, 12:10 AM   #459
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Thanks for all the great information, I really appreciate it. The main reason that I want to completely clean and flush out the coolant system and replace the coolant with Subaru OEM Coolant with the addition of the Subaru Coolant Conditioner is that I have so much money invested into my build, I would rather spend a few extra dollar bucks and time to have that piece of mind and use the recommended Subaru Coolant along with the Subaru Coolant Conditioner just in case I were to have issues with my coolant system or long block in the future. I would rather spend the time and money now and use the recommended fluids to ensure a sound coolant system that won't cause potential issues later on.

That being said, after reading all twelve pages of this thread, flushing the coolant system once or twice without the thermostat installed with a 50/50 mix of Distilled Water and Distilled White Vinegar ( filling the system with said mixture, heating the system, cooling, draining, and repeating ) to rid the entire coolant system of what's in there now in addition to calcification, scale, buildup, etc. and then flushing the coolant system multiple times with straight distilled water until everything comes out clear, installing a Subaru OEM Thermostat and accompanied gasket ( I'm currently running a GrimmSpeed Thermostat which is stuck in the closed position ), then filling the coolant system back up with Subaru Coolant along with the Subaru Coolant Conditioner. At least I would know what type of coolant is in the coolant system and that it's at the proper dilution ratio due to the fact that now I'm not sure if I'm running the proper type of coolant and at what ratio of coolant to water was used ( if it's distilled, tap, well water, etc. ) due to a front end fender bender courtesy of Subaru's fantastic ABS System.

The body shop did a fantastic job of replacing my front end ( both fenders, hood, front bumper, headlights, front grill, and they even threw in a great, upgraded front lip due to my JDM V7 V2 Lip not being able to be repaired or replaced due to the fact that they haven't been produced in close to a decade, surprisingly there was no damage to the engine bay other than a ruptured upper radiator hose ), but I don't know what type of coolant was used and at what ratio.

I know this seems a bit OCD, but it's my car and I know everything that's been installed and what type of fluids I'm running with the exclusion of the coolant. I'm sure by now you can tell I'm a bit of a control freak when it comes to my MY02 WRX, but I would rather do this the right way myself so I don't run into a situation where my coolant system or long block has problems due to a simple oversight on the body shops behalf.

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I totally agree about making sure you know what's in it. That's why I flushed so many times with distilled water. I know I'm good for the same extended interval as the new Subarus.
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Old 08-14-2013, 06:04 PM   #460
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So because I work with Porsche I was able to get some free Porsche Coolant due to one of my hose busting I currently just have Distalled water in cooling system.

wondering if I should use it or just get the Subaru Stuff....
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Old 08-15-2013, 02:40 AM   #461
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So because I work with Porsche I was able to get some free Porsche Coolant due to one of my hose busting I currently just have Distalled water in cooling system.

wondering if I should use it or just get the Subaru Stuff....
Don't use distilled water. You'll be asking for problems. If you can get the Porsche coolant for free, use it. There are several coolant formulations. Toyota uses a different one than Subaru. In general European manufacturers use a different one than American manufacturers. Toyota and Subaru use a HOAT formulation. Porsche seems to recommend a OAT formulation. Do a search on google for more info.
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Old 09-22-2013, 09:40 PM   #462
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I ordered newer style OEM replacement radiator with neck filler for my 2002 WRX which didn't come with neck filler.

Is there anything special I need to do since newer radiator comes with neck filler? Thanks!
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Old 09-22-2013, 10:18 PM   #463
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Put a non wing 1.3 bar on it if ya want stock setup.

I suggest a 1.1bar since plastic rads suck
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Old 09-23-2013, 12:15 AM   #464
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Stock is the 1.3 bar cap. The cap on the radiator needs to have a higher pressure rating than the one on the expansion tank or you could lose coolant.

Also you need to put a tee fitting in the line to the overflow tank. Connect one end to the expansion tank, the other to the fitting on the radiator right below the cap.

This link has more info and shows a picture.
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Old 01-10-2014, 01:33 AM   #465
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Just found out my coolant reserve tank is low. Do I need to add additives if I am just refilling the reserve tank?
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Just add water. Let the car fully warm up with that top cap off and have the heat full blast.

Add as needed.
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Just found out my coolant reserve tank is low. Do I need to add additives if I am just refilling the reserve tank?
Add coolant without additives. If you just add water you'll end up diluting the amount of anti-freeze in your system.

It doesn't make any difference how you set heat. There isn't a valve in the lines going to the heater core.
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Water cools a motor not coolant. Coolant keeps the water from boiling
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Coolant also prevents corrosion in the cooling system. While just topping off with water won't hurt anything (ratio doesn't have to be exactly 50:50), too little or no coolant in the mix will cause rust issues.

I keep a clear 2 quart tupperware container filled with premixed coolant (cheapie from the 99 cent store is perfect for this) in the garage for top-off purposes. The lines on the side of the bottle make it easy to get the right mix.
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Ratio also depends in what are of the world you live in.

Make sure its what it should be.
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Question I have been seeing alot of the conditioner post, I called my dealer and inquried about this since I had a minor fender bender. I upgraded my radiator in the process in my 12' WRX and asked them if I needed it and they stated no. So is this only for the older Subaru engines? They stated as long as the Subaru LL Coolant was used, in which it was but they topped off maybe a 1/4 of the gallon with another kind of coolant since the KOYO radiator holds more. Im not sure if I should drain the radiator and refill with OEM coolant and conditioner or is it ok or what.
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Could a clogged heater core effect engine temp?
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i would say no - you could have a clogged heater core and the only effect would be no heat in the car.
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Could a clogged heater core effect engine temp?
Not sure, but I do know that if a car is overheating it's possible to help cool the temp by putting your blower motor/ fan on high, with your temp setting on max heat and using outside air instead of recirculating.

I would say yes, but only if the heater core is heated from the actual engine coolant;an if it is, well then it being clogged doesn't sound like its allowing enough coolant to flow.
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Old 03-03-2014, 08:10 PM   #475
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Hey guyz, im new to subaru, im more of honda but I just bought a 05 impreza rs. And coolant is draining from the resivor like its leaking from where. Tge owner before said its leaking from the thermostat housing but wasnt sure and I jscked the car up today and doesnt seem like theres coolant leaking from the thermostat housing.... please help lol
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