nikon d70, very nice camera...

DISCOPOPE · 02-19-2004, 12:36 PM

the nikon lady was in yesterday and had a working demo.
we liked it so much,
we placed an order for 400 units..

expect them to turn up at your local dealer late march to early april....

just fyi,
body's should sell for $999
kits with the 18-70 will go for $1299

this camera is nice..
100% dysco approved.

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mattjk · 02-19-2004, 12:37 PM

Too bad it will have Nikon image quality.

Habu · 02-19-2004, 12:38 PM

how is it compared to the DRebel?

GF!
Skippy

F22-Raptor · 02-19-2004, 12:39 PM

100% better than the rebel. some stuff better than the 10d or D100

Habu · 02-19-2004, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by F22-Raptor
100% better than the rebel. some stuff better than the 10d or D100

Like what?

F22-Raptor · 02-19-2004, 12:56 PM

1/500 flash synch almost instant startup and less shutter lag and faster picture /more picture taking translating to a bigger buffer. there is more but I cant think of it right now.

Idjiit · 02-19-2004, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by F22-Raptor
100% better than the rebel. some stuff better than the 10d or D100

Man, and I thought I was the one with out of control hyperbole. On paper, there's some distinct advantages. But in the end, if the image quality is inferior (which from all tests I've seen, it is), then who cares? Probably about 95% of the DR users could care less about the Flash sync, etc. They just want good photos.

The D70 sounds like a great camera, and it'll push Canon to produce a better and even cheaper camera, but let's keep things in perspective a little.

Comparing the DR to the D70 doesn't really make sense, since in kit form the D70 is $300 more expensive. The DR will still be the cheapest (and very high image quality) entry into the dSLR world.

trojan9x · 02-19-2004, 01:10 PM

can anyone post a link to these image quality comparisons to the DSLR cameras?

Idjiit · 02-19-2004, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by trojan9x
can anyone post a link to these image quality comparisons to the DSLR cameras?

You're better off waiting until the camera is released. The ones that are floating around should be viewed with a bit of suspicion - there haven't been any good, quantitative testing yet. It'll be a few weeks before we see that.

Habu · 02-19-2004, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Idjiit
Man, and I thought I was the one with out of control hyperbole. On paper, there's some distinct advantages. But in the end, if the image quality is inferior (which from all tests I've seen, it is), then who cares? Probably about 95% of the DR users could care less about the Flash sync, etc. They just want good photos.

The D70 sounds like a great camera, and it'll push Canon to produce a better and even cheaper camera, but let's keep things in perspective a little.

Comparing the DR to the D70 doesn't really make sense, since in kit form the D70 is $300 more expensive. The DR will still be the cheapest (and very high image quality) entry into the dSLR world.

I agree with synopsis 100%.
I highgly doubt any new DSLR will be twice as good as the other that in the same class and similar price bracket.

F22-Raptor · 02-19-2004, 01:39 PM

Well in perspective I never said anything about the image quality just features. I have been more than happy with my D100 and would go against a 10d any day. I think the image quality is just as good. That being said I like both the cameras and both have their places. Yes I have used and played with both. Me and another wedding photographer actually put both of them through their paces at quite a number of weddings. And we both own each respective camera so we knew how to do what we were doing. Both sets of images came out remarkably good in both of our opinions.

Idjiit · 02-19-2004, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by F22-Raptor
Well in perspective I never said anything about the image quality just features. I have been more than happy with my D100 and would go against a 10d any day. I think the image quality is just as good. That being said I like both the cameras and both have their places. Yes I have used and played with both. Me and another wedding photographer actually put both of them through their paces at quite a number of weddings. And we both own each respective camera so we knew how to do what we were doing. Both sets of images came out remarkably good in both of our opinions.

No doubt. I'm not really trying to slag on Nikon. It seems that at best the Nikon's have higher noise levels - but if you don't shoot in conditions where it really matters, who cares? There also seems to be highly subjective opinions on CMOS vs. CCD. All I was really trying to say is that your comment of the D70 being "100% better than the rebel" was a little, er... optimistic?

Habu · 02-19-2004, 02:11 PM

Yeah pretty much comes down to brand preference. Just always been a Canon guy. Nothing wtong with Nikon, I just like Canon.

totoherbs · 02-19-2004, 02:20 PM

Im wating for some real life shots.... I think its about time I picked up another DSLR. I like my little point and shoot but the d100 was a lot of fun.

Quote:

Originally posted by trojan9x
can anyone post a link to these image quality comparisons to the DSLR cameras?

www.dpreview.com

The Nikon D2H seems to be the new big boy on the market.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond2h/

mattjk · 02-19-2004, 02:27 PM

what happened to your d100?

totoherbs · 02-19-2004, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mattjk
what happened to your d100?

Short story.... It didnt make the trip across country. Water, and some big rocks were involed in its death.

mattjk · 02-19-2004, 02:30 PM

that sucks

totoherbs · 02-19-2004, 02:39 PM

Ehh...

Right now I think ill go with the Rebel or the D70(unless its results are less then impressive), I have to buy new glass either way...

Idjiit · 02-19-2004, 02:40 PM

If you shoot outdoors and want narrow DoF, the choice is pretty clear.

mattjk · 02-19-2004, 02:40 PM

Refurb 10D

$999 at Samy's. Also $999 at Adorama. Not in stock though... but you can get on a waiting list.

totoherbs · 02-19-2004, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Idjiit
If you shoot outdoors and want narrow DoF, the choice is pretty clear.

Well I was starting too... but most I was putting paintings and drawing into a digital portfolio for people who came to the studio. After seeing the photo work thats poping up around here, I want to join in the fun.

Quote:

Originally posted by mattjk
Refurb 10D $999 at Samy's. Also $999 at Adorama. Not in stock though... but you can get on a waiting list.

www.samys.com This place? How much difference is there between a referb and $500 for a new one?

Mrhappy · 03-01-2004, 02:48 PM

Stupid tax return, now I'm stuck deciding on the DR or the D70

Anyone else make the choice yet?

The lower price of the canon is winning me over so far because I'd also be in the market for a decent telephoto zoom lens and have about 1600 dollars to spend total. If I got the nikon that leaves about 300 for the tele zoom (plus filters and memory cards) where as with the cannon i've got about 600 for it.

How important is the white ballance adjustments in the long run that can be made with the D70 but not with the DR

Idjiit · 03-01-2004, 02:50 PM

White balance is a non-issue if you're shooting RAW. How do you reckon the D70 is so much more expensive? If you want a nice zoom, buy either as bodies only - the DR will run you about $800, the D70 $900. Of course, the D70 still isn't out and probably won't be for at least a few weeks so no one can give you first hand experience with a production model.

Mrhappy · 03-01-2004, 03:06 PM

Well i'm saying more expensive with their kit lenses.

I suppose I could just be looking at 900/1000 and then 2 lenses (normal and tele/zoom)

So its more like 700 to spend on 2 lenses or 600 to spend on 2.

If I went with the rebel kit I would get a pretty decent normal range lens for 100 bucks so thats 600 left for a decent tele/zoom and the various extras.

If I went with the nikon kit I'd get a good normal range with a pretty good 105mm (35mm) zoom or something like that but at an additional 200 bucks. So I'm left with 300 for the rest of the stuff and the tele/zoom.

I don't currently own any photo equipment, i have access to a 35mm rebel and 2 lenses and a minolta and a couple lenses. So for my own stuff I'd be starting from scratch.

I guess I'm more looking at getting the body and then the best 2 lenses for the leftover cash minus probably 150 bucks for accesory crap.

I'd be shooting in RAW most of the time most likely so if white balance is something I could easily play with afterwards then that takes points off the nikon.

And it also comes down to when the refund check comes in. I don't feel like waiting around for the nikon if the release is not in the few short weeks they are saying if I happen to have the cash by then.

Idjiit · 03-01-2004, 03:11 PM

Well, I chucked my kit lens pretty quickly so I'm a bad guy to ask. I also use fast primes exclusively. It sounds like the Nikon's kit lense is going to be pretty sweet - and it should be since it's $200 more expensive.

I would recommend you buy the DR kit, sell the Kit Lens on E-Bay for $175 (no kidding, seriously) and then get a Zoom that covers the range you want (you still haven't indicated what that is).

02-19-2004, 12:36 PM	#1
DISCOPOPE Scooby Specialist Member#: 43339 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: mpls, mn Vehicle: 2oo4 STi URgt35r w/t3hM3finj3cki0n	nikon d70, very nice camera... the nikon lady was in yesterday and had a working demo. we liked it so much, we placed an order for 400 units.. expect them to turn up at your local dealer late march to early april.... just fyi, body's should sell for $999 kits with the 18-70 will go for $1299 this camera is nice.. 100% dysco approved. * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

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trojan9x Scooby Specialist Member#: 3169 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Effort, PA Vehicle: 2001 2.5 RS: Holbert Memorial Winner 2003	can anyone post a link to these image quality comparisons to the DSLR cameras?

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F22-Raptor Scooby Specialist Member#: 18311 Join Date: May 2002 Chapter/Region: TXIC Location: Austin Tx Vehicle: 2010 STi SE OBP	Well in perspective I never said anything about the image quality just features. I have been more than happy with my D100 and would go against a 10d any day. I think the image quality is just as good. That being said I like both the cameras and both have their places. Yes I have used and played with both. Me and another wedding photographer actually put both of them through their paces at quite a number of weddings. And we both own each respective camera so we knew how to do what we were doing. Both sets of images came out remarkably good in both of our opinions.

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Habu Scooby Specialist Member#: 3052 Join Date: Nov 2000 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: Inland Empire, CA	Yeah pretty much comes down to brand preference. Just always been a Canon guy. Nothing wtong with Nikon, I just like Canon.

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Idjiit Scooby Specialist Member#: 5310 Join Date: Mar 2001 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Raleigh, NC Vehicle: 08 Highlander 95 Miata M	If you shoot outdoors and want narrow DoF, the choice is pretty clear.

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mattjk * Banned * Member#: 16615 Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Huntington Beach Vehicle: I ♥ my TE51 2009 Nissan 370z	Refurb 10D $999 at Samy's. Also $999 at Adorama. Not in stock though... but you can get on a waiting list.

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Mrhappy Scooby Specialist Member#: 31973 Join Date: Jan 2003 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Maryland Vehicle: 2003 WRB WRX 2010 Corolla, aluminum	Stupid tax return, now I'm stuck deciding on the DR or the D70 Anyone else make the choice yet? The lower price of the canon is winning me over so far because I'd also be in the market for a decent telephoto zoom lens and have about 1600 dollars to spend total. If I got the nikon that leaves about 300 for the tele zoom (plus filters and memory cards) where as with the cannon i've got about 600 for it. How important is the white ballance adjustments in the long run that can be made with the D70 but not with the DR

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Idjiit Scooby Specialist Member#: 5310 Join Date: Mar 2001 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Raleigh, NC Vehicle: 08 Highlander 95 Miata M	White balance is a non-issue if you're shooting RAW. How do you reckon the D70 is so much more expensive? If you want a nice zoom, buy either as bodies only - the DR will run you about $800, the D70 $900. Of course, the D70 still isn't out and probably won't be for at least a few weeks so no one can give you first hand experience with a production model.

03-01-2004, 03:06 PM	#24
Mrhappy Scooby Specialist Member#: 31973 Join Date: Jan 2003 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Maryland Vehicle: 2003 WRB WRX 2010 Corolla, aluminum	Well i'm saying more expensive with their kit lenses. I suppose I could just be looking at 900/1000 and then 2 lenses (normal and tele/zoom) So its more like 700 to spend on 2 lenses or 600 to spend on 2. If I went with the rebel kit I would get a pretty decent normal range lens for 100 bucks so thats 600 left for a decent tele/zoom and the various extras. If I went with the nikon kit I'd get a good normal range with a pretty good 105mm (35mm) zoom or something like that but at an additional 200 bucks. So I'm left with 300 for the rest of the stuff and the tele/zoom. I don't currently own any photo equipment, i have access to a 35mm rebel and 2 lenses and a minolta and a couple lenses. So for my own stuff I'd be starting from scratch. I guess I'm more looking at getting the body and then the best 2 lenses for the leftover cash minus probably 150 bucks for accesory crap. I'd be shooting in RAW most of the time most likely so if white balance is something I could easily play with afterwards then that takes points off the nikon. And it also comes down to when the refund check comes in. I don't feel like waiting around for the nikon if the release is not in the few short weeks they are saying if I happen to have the cash by then.

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Idjiit Scooby Specialist Member#: 5310 Join Date: Mar 2001 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Raleigh, NC Vehicle: 08 Highlander 95 Miata M	Well, I chucked my kit lens pretty quickly so I'm a bad guy to ask. I also use fast primes exclusively. It sounds like the Nikon's kit lense is going to be pretty sweet - and it should be since it's $200 more expensive. I would recommend you buy the DR kit, sell the Kit Lens on E-Bay for $175 (no kidding, seriously) and then get a Zoom that covers the range you want (you still haven't indicated what that is).