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Old 02-20-2004, 01:39 AM   #1
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Default Is dealer trying to hose me? Says i should replace timing belt at 65K miles

Well, i was asking my dealer about things i should do/get checked out as i creep up to 60K on my '00 RS. He says that i will need to change my timing belt between 60-70K miles. I said, hey dude, desn't it say to change the belt at 105K miles in the manual? He says, no way, not when there is a lot of stop and go driving in this area. That combined with the heat, he said, make it necessary(or prudent) to change earlier.

What say you guys?

FWIW, this guys has always seemed kind of shady to me. Its the Arlington, TX Subaru dealer.
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Old 02-20-2004, 02:15 AM   #2
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I would say no, you dont need it done that soon.
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Old 02-20-2004, 07:59 AM   #3
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Aren't most of the Subaru engines interference engines? (I think some of the older ones aren't - but the 2.5L certainly is - so if the belt snaps, there is a high liklihood of other expensive damage (damage to the valves, heads, etc.)) In extreme conditions (lots of stop and go, hard driving, extreme temperatures, etc.) belts do degrade more quickly. I would replace it - it's cheap insurance - the timing belt is not something you want to wait until it fails before replacing.
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Old 02-20-2004, 08:28 AM   #4
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Nope, Nop ,Nope........ Go by the time/mileage guide in your owners manual. Subaru DOES NOT have a severe maintenance duty replacement schedule for the timing belt............
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Old 02-20-2004, 09:11 AM   #5
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If it was me, I would do the timing belt. 105K seems a bit far out for me. I bought my 99RS at 89 K and made them do the timing belt as part of the deal.
Also just because of age I would do it.
My mother did the belt in her 95L at 50K, but the car was 7 years old.
It's alot cheaper to put a belt on now, just in case, than repair valves and all the other fun if/when it brakes
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Old 02-20-2004, 11:20 AM   #6
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Think of it this way: $400 to get the belt changed...$1000-$1500 to get the heads redone. Peace of mind knowing that you did it early...Priceless.

The only good thing about Hondas with Vtec; if the belt breaks and the car is not in Vtec there is not damage to the head.
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Old 02-20-2004, 11:40 AM   #7
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I follow the maintenance intervals in the owner's manual. Crazy, I know, but you have to assume that the intervals are conservative.

But, hey, whatever you wanna do. I can see replacing the belt a little early, but it sounds like they're trying to talk you into doing it through a little over half of the belt's life. Unless they're replacing a water pump or something and it's just a matter of convenience, I'd wait until at least 80k-90k miles, if not the whole interval.
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Old 02-20-2004, 12:36 PM   #8
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I was told the same thing for my 95 Legacy. It is a CA-spec car so they listed the change interval in the manual as 105 k. On the NA-spec car, which has the exact same belt, it is listed as 60 k. I decided it was safer to change it every 60 k.

If you do have it changed, make sure they do all the other belts at the same time and also the water pump if it seems at all loose (bad bearings) or leaking.
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Old 02-20-2004, 03:00 PM   #9
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Originally posted by dingo dave
FWIW, this guys has always seemed kind of shady to me. Its the Arlington, TX Subaru dealer.
Just kind of shady?
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Old 02-20-2004, 04:48 PM   #10
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DSM guys replace their every 50-60K miles. Be thankful you're not one of them. I used to be.
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Old 02-20-2004, 05:01 PM   #11
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60k miles sounds kinda early.
Then again, every 4 years doesn't sound that unreasonable.

Of course, at the rate I've been driving, my WRX will hit 100k miles in considerably less than 5 years. YMMV
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Old 02-20-2004, 05:01 PM   #12
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The only good thing about Hondas with Vtec; if the belt breaks and the car is not in Vtec there is not damage to the head.
Who told you that? They are interference motors. If the belt breaks, your valves will clash with pistons. No matter what cam profile you are on.
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Old 02-20-2004, 05:03 PM   #13
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Just kind of shady?
ok, REALLY shady.

what's his name...Bob?
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Old 02-20-2004, 05:13 PM   #14
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The standard for many makes/models has been 60k miles. Some years back, California said that all emissions-related parts needed to last at least 100k miles, so timing belts in CA cars magically switched to 105k mile replacement. A number of companies have now improved the robustness of their timing belts so that they are actually made to last 105k, whether sold in CA or elsewhere in the US; Subaru is one of these. I'm pretty sure this change happened before your '00 was built, but not sure it happened before the '95 mentioned above was built. For the '00, I'd still be a bit conservative and go for timing belt & water pump etc replacement around 90k miles.
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Old 02-20-2004, 11:08 PM   #15
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^^I doubt the belt in my '95 was really intended to last 105k; they just listed it that way to meet the CA rules.
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Old 02-20-2004, 11:29 PM   #16
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$400... I think I will do mine early. That isn't so bad.

Can't they look at your belts to see how they are holding up?

I have the belts, tensioners and seals changed on my Ferrari every three years or 15,000 miles. But I am a little paranoid, and I track my cars. A friend of mine showed me a couple of valves from a Testarosa that snapped a belt. It was not pretty.
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Old 02-20-2004, 11:38 PM   #17
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I would replace it at 60K as indicated in the most of the owners manual.

Indeed as others have stated that if a belt unexpectedly snap, you would recieve damage such as the bent valves.

In addition, you probably wouldn't be able to claim warranty. As we all know SoA and how they will use everything against you. For this is would be the failure of maintainace/owner's neglect. Just about the same thing as a soccer mom buying a brand new car just to drive the kids and errands, and not change the oil for 20,000 miles.

-paK +1
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Old 02-21-2004, 01:18 AM   #18
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^^I doubt the belt in my '95 was really intended to last 105k; they just listed it that way to meet the CA rules.
I had mine done at 105k. The belt didnt look worn at all. Ive seen some other used timing belts from scoobies, none have looked even remotely worn. I'd say 60k would be a waste of money (unless of course you are running an ungodly amount of HP in a wrx or something, in that case get an sti timing belt )
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Old 02-21-2004, 02:38 AM   #19
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I just had mine done at 92k. It was in for head gaskets, and since the heads were off anyways, it was a good time for a new belt. While doing it they discovered the tensioner was leaking (that's what it says on my bill, anyways).

Moral of the story, the belt isn't the only part that could fail and screw up your day... It's cheap insurance. I'd do it.
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Old 02-21-2004, 03:01 AM   #20
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As stated, my 95L manual says 60-65k. its not a bad thing to do at all. If it was me, Ide do it at 65,000 miles. Its a pretty important part.
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Old 02-21-2004, 03:27 AM   #21
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after 100,000 miles yes u should replace it, but in ur case no, remember the dealers are always shady, they prey on people whom lack car knowledge. it was even on the news
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Old 02-21-2004, 12:17 PM   #22
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105,000 miles,
and FWIW I have not seen a belt snap on a newer suby yet..... (Loyales do not count)

It used to be 60k for the 1.8 and 2.2 litre motors.

Don't waste the money.


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Old 02-22-2004, 02:33 PM   #23
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Who told you that? They are interference motors. If the belt breaks, your valves will clash with pistons. No matter what cam profile you are on.
Incorrect. Depending on the car, it may or may not. I had a Honda Accord lose a timing belt while I was cruising home from work one day, and there was absolutely no damage. I tore it apart, found the belt was bad, pulled the head; The valves were in perfect condition, not one was bent or even dinged. Replaced the belt, and had not a single problem with it afterwards. BTW, this belt went at 146,000 miles, and it was never changed before this incident.
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Old 02-23-2004, 09:26 AM   #24
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Exactly. Had the belt on my Prelude break, H22A DOHC Vtec, replaced the belt, worked perfectly fine. The valves require more clearance due to the vtec and when not in Vtec do not have any clearance issues should the belt break. Once it swithces to the other cam lobes though and the valves are opened farther you run a risk.
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Old 02-23-2004, 12:01 PM   #25
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I would replace it at 60K as indicated in the most of the owners manual.-paK +1

Good, except that the owner's manual for MY00 indicates 105k.
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