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Old 08-22-2000, 02:11 PM   #1
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247hp stock! That just made my day! the interior look decent (goofey alluminum is easy fix), better pics would be nice though. If the car drives as good as it should, I'm with eby if I can get a white, silver or grey wagon for under say 27k I'm in.
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Old 08-22-2000, 02:20 PM   #2
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8Comp.
It sounds like the new WRX is going to be heavier due to interior changes. The current interior is a bit dated and has been the complaint of many who have reviewed the car. I think the new interior added a bit of weight to the car. I kinda expected it would.

The good news is that the body appears to be lighter. Soooooo rip out all the comforts in the inside and the car goes on a diet.

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Old 08-22-2000, 02:49 PM   #3
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Hmm...

If the Impreza that is going to be released in Europe/Japan is gonna be 247hp, then maybe the US one (although maybe a bit watered down) could be maybe 235-240? Although I still don't agree with the outer styling, this will be VERY interesting. I'd like to see what Prodrive is doing with it for the WRC to totally spark my interest.

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Old 08-22-2000, 03:38 PM   #4
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I still think the Japan WRX will be the usual 280hp version. After all why would you market a car to people here who want the 280hp from the factory? I doubt people will want it as much if they are going to lose about 35hp by buying the newer version. Hell even the turbo Forester has more power then the new Impreza. I think the new Imrpeza is just an improved UK turbo. I wonder how much Subaru will detune the Impreza before sending it to the US. The stock RS was nothing like the WRX to begin with but even then they gave it a detuned suspension, steering rack and braking. It will be a shame if the dealerships mark this car up. The dealers may be the reason for this car being beyond the price of most people.
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Old 08-22-2000, 03:54 PM   #5
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N/A : no, the 240HP one is not the STi versions, and they will still sold in japan

a STi version will be out later with 280HP, and should look a little better...

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Old 08-22-2000, 04:05 PM   #6
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Even the 'plain' Japanese-spec WRX has ~280hp. The 247 must be an export engine. Who would buy a new, heavier WRX with 35 less horsepower??
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Old 08-22-2000, 04:11 PM   #7
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Yep in Japan every WRX is 280hp with only one exception. The WRX wagon with the A/T is only 240hp. I think it was the MY98 or MY99 WRX's that made the jump to all being 280hp. That is why I said it must be for the UK only. If so then it is still a performance increase for the UK turbo. I wonder if it will still have better braking and other options? I also wonder how much it will be detuned?
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Old 08-22-2000, 04:27 PM   #8
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What is up with the seats where are the cool racing syle seats currently found in the turbo cars? And is that a rear windshield wiper on the bottom red pic? I kinda like that feature.
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Old 08-22-2000, 04:30 PM   #9
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From SOJ's website, they have two versions called the WRX in the current body style. One is 280ps, the other is 240ps. I can't get the whole page to load up because of the japanese letters, so I can't tell you anything more than they are both called plain old WRX's(no sti or anything). So they do have a WRX in japan with the current impreza thats got 240ps(think that converts almost directly to hp, so about 240hp). I think subaru plans to make the impreza lineup simple for the new design. Thats why they are calling the base turbo the WRX all over the world. They'll eventually come out with sti versions that have atleast 280hp(I'm sure USA won't be getting those ). Supposedly the plain WRX should be the same for the whole world(only varying for emissions), so we should get the same suspension as Europe and Japan. The only dif should be a few hp less for US emissions.
Also, wasn't it released that the new WRX will weigh about 2900lbs? Thats still quite light in my book. The S4 is like 3500lbs, the new M3 is about 3450lbs. 2900lbs for a 247hp car is light, you guys shouldn't complain so much. The BMW M Roadster is about 2900lbs, 240hp, does 60 in 5.1 sec. The base WRX should manage low 5's to 60. Sure it will have less torque than the Roadster, and slight turbo lag, but its got AWD to help it get the jump off the line. The current UK turbo does 60 in the high 5's, so its not at all unlikely for the new one to make low 5's. I think this car is going to be a performance bargain.


Oops, guess N/A already pointed out the 240hp WRX in Japan.

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Old 08-22-2000, 04:30 PM   #10
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Old 08-22-2000, 04:35 PM   #11
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(stolen from 22B.com )

More info from this weeks Autocar.
Blue car photgraphed still with MY98 wheels.

First photos of the interior which looks a good deal nicer with aluminium surrounds on the dash and even a hint of 'style' about it. Can't see Bright button for its fans.

Info in the article states the UK turbo car will be called the WRX and cost 23,000.

Power in Japan is up to 247bhp (Torque up from 214lb ft to 246lb ft at 3,600rpm)though there is fears that emission controls could strangle that figure for the UK. Japan reported to be working on hot models with up to 350bhp.

Standard turbo will NOT have the 6sp gearbox though a 4 speed Tiptronic style autobox with rocker switches on the steering wheel will follow later.

Performance predictable at 150mph top speed with 0-60 a shade over 5 seconds. Special attention has been made to improve the braking.


Seeparately in the magazine the SIDC gets little promo piece.

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Old 08-22-2000, 04:54 PM   #12
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Eby,
Just for the record that is more torque than the U.S. M Roadster.
Also, I agree with you this car is going to blow the doors off every car within $10,000 of it.

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Old 08-22-2000, 05:00 PM   #13
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Just one comment, you realize that the cars with a listed hp of 280 is just because that is limited to law. No export out of Japan can list more than 280 hp, just like no motorcycle can be made to go faster than something like 180mph. I mean, look at the 22B, it lists in many places 280 hp or 276 or something, but it's actually around 350. so, oyu have to be careful in judging the diffs between japanese and english. And now that i think about it, i don't think this post had much to do with the original post, but hell, it was fun none the less
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Old 08-22-2000, 05:14 PM   #14
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Actually the 22b has always dynoed at 280bhp or thereabouts. The difference is of course the torque curve. The 2.2 litres brings the torque curve lower in the rev range, and also makes it less peaky. This makes it feel much stronger when you hit the throttle in daily driving (gassing it at say 2200 or 3500rpm). This is where the power misconception arises. If it was really 350 hp it would blow away the Evo VI RS, which it doesn't.

I think the STi Versions 5 and 6 are a hair quicker, even though they are 280ps.
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Old 08-22-2000, 05:40 PM   #15
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The tiptronic a/t would be cool to have. Kind of like the one that is available in the RSK B4. For Japan it still sounds like a step down though going from 280hp to 247hp. That will be an impossible sell in a land where they can buy faster AWD turbo cars. Hell some of the faster ones will even be made by Subaru. If it does come out as 247hp in the US I would like to know how many people think they will be able to insure that car and still afford mods? The Mitsu GSX had high insurance and it was only about 210hp.
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Old 08-22-2000, 05:49 PM   #16
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hey dont the seats in the interior look alot like our stock RS seats? From the lines in the bottom and back and the side bolsters they look alot like our current seats. What happend to the STI seats?

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Old 08-22-2000, 05:50 PM   #17
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But this is a sedan, so maybe that would help on insurance.
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Old 08-22-2000, 06:27 PM   #18
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Yea, that is more torque than the M Roadster, WOW! The addition of the variable valve timming must have helped some. Anyway, I can't wait, 0-60 around 5 sec, top speed of 150mph, improved braking and handling, damn.

About insurance, yes the hp is going to hurt it, but the fact that its a 4dr sedan w/AWD will help keep the cost down. Also the fact that its a Subaru can't hurt, I mean they aren't exactly known for building wild cars here in the US. The GSX had bad insurance because it was a really small 2dr that appealed to a certain type of driver that the insurance companies thought were at a higher risk of accident. Hopefully they will be considering the stereotypical subaru driver when figuring up rates on the new impreza.
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Old 08-22-2000, 06:43 PM   #19
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If we get ~247hp I'd be a very happy camper.

Here is some more eye candy:








Rally blue, yummm...

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Old 08-22-2000, 06:48 PM   #20
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I am Soooooo Happy. 247hp stock!!! Woooo Hooo. Ahhhhhh *Sigh of relief*
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Old 08-22-2000, 06:50 PM   #21
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Woah. Where did you get that picture?
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Old 08-22-2000, 06:50 PM   #22
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thats a very nice ride! it will be mine! in black
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Old 08-22-2000, 06:55 PM   #23
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The more I see that car, the more I like it! Now, just add a Prodrive wing and paint those sidskirts and, Damn.

William

PS Waiting to see what STi does with it.
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Old 08-22-2000, 06:57 PM   #24
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If you're under 25, all they need to see is that word "turbo" and you're screwed on insurance. WRT the WRX, those are some nice stats. If those numbers truly hold up here in the US, and it is msrp $25k, then it's almost a guarantee that demand will skyrocket. Did I hear someone say dealer markup? "If you build it, they will come..."

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Old 08-22-2000, 06:57 PM   #25
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Look at the seats. They are like the STi items.

Also, I wouldn't start counting on any horsepower numbers. Until OUR version is unveiled we won't know what spec we will be getting. We may see quite a few ponies and features go missing, or may also be pleasantly surprised.
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