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Old 02-24-2004, 02:02 PM   #1
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Question TXS Stg4+FMIC Overboost P0244 (log included)

Car info: Standard TurboXS Stage 4 with FMIC, base Stg4FMIC map with boost values cut down to 190 max.

What kind of CLB values are folks using to keep their Stg 4 cars under the fuel cut/overboost? With the ABC 2 turns out, and a max CLB boost value of 190 I'm still logging over 20psi. I've been tripping the check engine P0244 code.

Question is: If I'm not knocking should I raise the overboost threshold or back off the CLB even further? Is there some increment that equates to about 1 psi? (100, 50?)

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4975 +13.3 4.4 98 80 00 rich +18.0 100.0 +19.2 -5.5 190.00 4.2
5208 +17.0 4.5 98 90 00 rich +18.9 100.0 +18.8 -4.9 190.00 4.2
5224 +18.6 4.5 98 100 00 rich +17.1 100.0 +18.0 -5.0 190.00 4.3
5299 +19.2 4.5 98 90 00 rich +17.7 100.0 +19.2 -4.8 190.00 4.3
5359 +19.8 4.6 98 90 00 rich +18.3 100.0 +19.6 -4.8 190.00 4.3
5509 +20.0 4.6 98 100 00 rich +18.8 100.0 +19.0 -5.1 190.00 4.3
5630 +20.0 4.6 98 100 00 rich +19.1 100.0 +19.0 -5.1 190.00 4.4
5737 +20.6 4.6 98 100 00 rich +20.2 100.0 +19.0 -5.0 190.00 4.4
5817 +20.2 4.7 98 90 00 rich +19.5 100.0 +21.0 -5.1 190.00 4.4
5931 +19.4 4.7 98 90 00 rich +20.3 100.0 +21.0 -5.1 190.00 4.4
6016 +19.4 4.6 100 90 00 rich +20.9 100.0 +21.0 -5.1 190.00 4.4
6265 +19.0 4.7 98 90 00 rich +21.0 100.0 +21.0 -5.1 190.00 4.4
6172 +19.0 4.7 98 90 00 rich +24.9 100.0 +21.0 -5.1 190.00 4.4
6361 +18.6 4.7 98 90 00 rich +25.5 100.0 +21.0 -5.1 190.00 4.4
6373 +18.4 4.7 98 90 00 rich +25.6 100.0 +21.0 -5.1 190.00 4.5
6535 +18.6 4.7 100 90 00 rich +26.3 100.0 +21.0 -5.1 190.00 4.4
6600 +18.4 4.7 98 90 00 rich +27.0 100.0 +21.0 -5.1 190.00 4.5
6680 +18.4 4.7 98 90 00 rich +27.2 100.0 +21.0 -5.1 190.00 4.4
6720 +18.8 4.7 98 90 00 rich +27.9 100.0 +21.0 -5.1 190.00 4.4
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Old 02-24-2004, 02:13 PM   #2
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Turn your ABC down a turn. That should help.

Is it just me or are you maxing your STi injectors really easily. Go get a tune.
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Old 02-24-2004, 03:53 PM   #3
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You're car looks like it's movin a TON of air... What kinda turbo do you have on that thing? What kinda intake? What's your gain set to? Does closing the abc or lowering the boost number actually lower the boost any more then that at that rpm? Is it just me, or is your injector duty cycle 100% from 4900rpm on?
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Old 02-24-2004, 04:05 PM   #4
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Since TXS says to block fill 200 into the CLB map, and your using less, I would agree and say that your ABC is out too far as mentioned above.

Also that IDC would scare the crap out of me


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Old 02-24-2004, 05:04 PM   #5
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Either you have a huge turbo or your MAF sensor is screwed up. That's some serious air!

Just checking, are you sure you are running cloced loop boost control? You did turn it on right? Default is open loop boost. If so, what do you have the gain set to? 45 produces a ~2 psi spike, 48 almost nothing.

IDC's static, ho hum...... Wideband tune would be nice.

Calibrate your TPS as well please.

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Old 02-24-2004, 05:23 PM   #6
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I have a similar situation (in regards to boost values). With a maximum boost value of 180 and the ABC out two turns, I get 21 psi. With one turn out I get 18 psi. This is with an 18g and 600cc injectors. Untuned I'm getting max idc's of about 85%.

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Old 02-24-2004, 07:08 PM   #7
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Is it just me or are you maxing your STi injectors really easily. Go get a tune.
LOL - yeah, no kidding about the tune!

Earlier in the week, I tried values at 260 with the ABC completely closed, but that yielded similar results. I wanted to see if the ABC bleeding off pressure would keep the ECU happier.

As far as the IDC's, my thought is that it's running pig rich, my greddy (semi-narrow-wide-whatever) A/F shows around 10:1. Even the base map says 10.9:1 in the comment.

Ok, so I'll
1) Call TXS to setup an appointment for a tune.
2) Lose a turn off the ABC (isn't that only good for 1/2PSI?) and re-log.
3) Drop another 40 off the CLB values (to 150) and re-log.

But again, if I'm not knocking, other than the way-too-high IDC's, that VF34 is spoolin'!



Thanks for the help too - it's always good to get some outside feedback.
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Old 02-24-2004, 07:12 PM   #8
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Car info: Standard TurboXS Stage 4 with FMIC, base Stg4FMIC map with boost values cut down to 190 max.

What kind of CLB values are folks using to keep their Stg 4 cars under the fuel cut/overboost? With the ABC 2 turns out, and a max CLB boost value of 190 I'm still logging over 20psi. I've been tripping the check engine P0244 code.

Question is: If I'm not knocking should I raise the overboost threshold or back off the CLB even further? Is there some increment that equates to about 1 psi? (100, 50?)

Thanks!

4975 +13.3 4.4 98 80 00 rich +18.0 100.0 +19.2 -5.5 190.00 4.2
5208 +17.0 4.5 98 90 00 rich +18.9 100.0 +18.8 -4.9 190.00 4.2
5224 +18.6 4.5 98 100 00 rich +17.1 100.0 +18.0 -5.0 190.00 4.3
5299 +19.2 4.5 98 90 00 rich +17.7 100.0 +19.2 -4.8 190.00 4.3
5359 +19.8 4.6 98 90 00 rich +18.3 100.0 +19.6 -4.8 190.00 4.3
5509 +20.0 4.6 98 100 00 rich +18.8 100.0 +19.0 -5.1 190.00 4.3
5630 +20.0 4.6 98 100 00 rich +19.1 100.0 +19.0 -5.1 190.00 4.4
5737 +20.6 4.6 98 100 00 rich +20.2 100.0 +19.0 -5.0 190.00 4.4
5817 +20.2 4.7 98 90 00 rich +19.5 100.0 +21.0 -5.1 190.00 4.4
5931 +19.4 4.7 98 90 00 rich +20.3 100.0 +21.0 -5.1 190.00 4.4
6016 +19.4 4.6 100 90 00 rich +20.9 100.0 +21.0 -5.1 190.00 4.4
6265 +19.0 4.7 98 90 00 rich +21.0 100.0 +21.0 -5.1 190.00 4.4
6172 +19.0 4.7 98 90 00 rich +24.9 100.0 +21.0 -5.1 190.00 4.4
6361 +18.6 4.7 98 90 00 rich +25.5 100.0 +21.0 -5.1 190.00 4.4
6373 +18.4 4.7 98 90 00 rich +25.6 100.0 +21.0 -5.1 190.00 4.5
6535 +18.6 4.7 100 90 00 rich +26.3 100.0 +21.0 -5.1 190.00 4.4
6600 +18.4 4.7 98 90 00 rich +27.0 100.0 +21.0 -5.1 190.00 4.5
6680 +18.4 4.7 98 90 00 rich +27.2 100.0 +21.0 -5.1 190.00 4.4
6720 +18.8 4.7 98 90 00 rich +27.9 100.0 +21.0 -5.1 190.00 4.4
Any chance you forgot to change your parameters to "closed loop boost" when you uploaded the FMI map?

The symptoms point to that. If that's not the case then, you may have a waste-gate issue.

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Old 02-24-2004, 07:17 PM   #9
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I have a similar situation (in regards to boost values). With a maximum boost value of 180 and the ABC out two turns, I get 21 psi. With one turn out I get 18 psi. This is with an 18g and 600cc injectors. Untuned I'm getting max idc's of about 85%.

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The 18G from forced performance typically comes with a fairly stiff waste-gate spring. I suggest you try the following.

1. Run a single piece of vacuum/boost line from the nipple on the compressor cover to the waste-gate actuator. Run the car like this and check max boost. I bet you'll see results in the 18-20psi range as it sits.

2. Change the boost control special constant to "open loop boost"
3. Change your boost map to all "1"

Run the car as above and record the boost values. It should be the same or very close to the same as your waste-gate only boost. If it is higher, you have a leak in one of your boost lines.

If your boost is very high when only the waste-gate is in control, you can lengthen the waste-gate actuator rod to take some of the preload off the diaphragm. This should allow you to bring the boost down quite a bit. I'd set it at about 15psi.

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Old 02-25-2004, 09:12 AM   #10
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FYI All - I verified last night that it is and was set to CLB. Also, the boost gain is at 50 (default) and hasn't been changed.

So, would it be a wastgate flow issue (needs to be ported)?

Or a solenoid problem?

Or the stock boost controller reacting too slow? Maybe it's time for an electronic (seperate from UTEC) boost controller?

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Old 02-25-2004, 10:47 PM   #11
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FYI All - I verified last night that it is and was set to CLB. Also, the boost gain is at 50 (default) and hasn't been changed.

So, would it be a wastgate flow issue (needs to be ported)?

Or a solenoid problem?

Or the stock boost controller reacting too slow? Maybe it's time for an electronic (seperate from UTEC) boost controller?

Thanks again!

First thing let's test the waste-gate. In a post above I said

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1. Run a single piece of vacuum/boost line from the nipple on the compressor cover to the waste-gate actuator. Run the car like this and check max boost.
Try that and report back your results. With a VF30/34 you should get around 10psi. If you get more you'll need to look into a few other things. There are several causes of over-boost in the above conditions. What down-pipe are you running?

Report back on your findings and Iíll try to help you get this fixed.

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Old 02-26-2004, 12:27 AM   #12
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remember the 2 turns out assumes a wasteate spring of a vf30/34.. W/ THE 18G and tougher wastegate spring the same settings are going to get you much greater boost.. I want to say the FP 18G came w/ a 14lb spring (memory but could be wrong).
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Old 02-26-2004, 10:50 PM   #13
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There's definately something out of whack - I'll try the advice above and run a direct line from the compressor to the wastegate diaphram. Right now, I believe there is a "T" off the direct line from the compressor outlet to the wastegate actuator, off the "T" is a small section of hose then a "Y" adapter that splits the line - One to ABC, and 1 to Factory boost control solenoid.

Another thing I tried tonight on the way home was the the "valet" mode (switch 6), but it still produced well over 13psi - it also seemed like this map had the stock fuel, and not map 1 fuel, because I noticed this switch setting ran excessively high EGT's without much load on the motor. Due to the high EGT's I didn't push it much.

I also ran a map with CLB at 150 max, and peaked at 21.x psi. I'll post the log tomorrow around 10am. Funny thing is that with the boost friendly temperatures, it didn't knock at all... Yeah!

Oh, and I've got the TXS downpipe - of course

Thanks for the help!

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This might help us to find your problem too. Exactly what performance parts are you running? Anymore stage 4 doesn't mean stage 4.
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As promised, here's a snippet from the 150 CLB log.

4734 +19.2 4.5 98 90 00 rich +13.1 99.0 +17.8 -5.2 150.00 4.2
4796 +20.2 4.5 98 100 00 rich +13.4 99.0 +17.1 -5.2 150.00 4.2
4789 +20.0 4.5 98 100 00 rich +13.3 99.0 +17.4 -5.3 150.00 4.2
4852 +20.0 4.5 98 100 00 rich +14.0 99.0 +17.5 -5.3 150.00 4.2
4866 +20.4 4.5 98 100 00 rich +14.8 99.0 +17.4 -5.2 150.00 4.2
4967 +20.4 4.4 98 100 00 rich +15.1 99.0 +17.6 -5.2 150.00 4.2
4997 +20.8 4.5 98 100 00 rich +15.0 99.0 +17.9 -5.2 150.00 4.3
5020 +21.0 4.5 98 100 00 rich +16.1 99.0 +18.0 -5.1 150.00 4.3
5058 +21.5 4.6 98 100 00 rich +17.3 99.0 +18.0 -5.0 150.00 4.3
5096 +20.8 4.6 98 100 00 rich +17.4 99.0 +18.0 -5.1 150.00 4.3

I'm going out to buy some vaccuum hose and I'll report back. Maybe it's just a bad factory wastegate solenoid.

I still can't believe it doesn't knock on 93 octane (thanks TurboXS default map!) - but I'll be buying all my gas from the same gas station from now on

Oh, as far as stg 4, it's got:
Injen intake cut short (like in the brochure pictures)
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(I think that's all that's relevant.)

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Ok, so direct vaccuum hose from the compressor outlet nipple to the wastegate actuator on the turbo. Couldn't find open road to get a 3-4 gear pull, but 2nd gear still boosts like mad.

So, now we've isolated that it's a problem with either the actuator or the length of the actuator rod?

4816 +10.8 4.1 99 50 00 rich +19.4 75.0 +22.0 -5.8 150.00 3.8
4960 +11.3 4.1 98 60 00 rich +19.6 80.0 +21.9 -6.1 150.00 3.9
5159 +11.3 4.3 98 60 00 rich +20.3 88.0 +22.0 -6.0 150.00 4.0
5376 +11.9 4.3 98 60 00 rich +19.6 98.0 +22.0 -5.6 150.00 4.1
5574 +13.5 4.5 98 70 00 rich +21.5 99.0 +21.2 -5.5 150.00 4.3
5747 +14.9 4.6 98 90 00 rich +21.8 99.0 +20.7 -5.1 150.00 4.4
5952 +16.4 4.7 99 80 00 rich +22.0 99.0 +22.0 -5.4 150.00 4.4
6242 +17.6 4.7 98 80 00 rich +23.4 99.0 +22.0 -5.4 150.00 4.4
6397 +18.2 4.8 98 90 00 rich +26.2 99.0 +21.0 -5.1 150.00 4.5
6523 +17.8 4.7 98 90 00 rich +26.7 99.0 +21.0 -5.1 150.00 4.5
6930 +18.2 4.8 98 90 00 rich +27.5 99.0 +21.0 -5.1 150.00 4.5
6901 +17.2 3.6 16 00 00 13.8 +41.1 16.0 ECU. -6.6 LCM. 1.6
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I noticed on the vf34 the wastegate actuator has a "B" stamped on it. The stock turbo actuator has a "U" stamped on it. Maybe the vf34 has too stiff of an actuator?

Could I swap the two actuators?
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I could hear jetskizero on his way to buy the vacuum hose.
Any chance it's in the wiring? Just kidding. Hope this gets resolved soon.
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So, now we've isolated that it's a problem with either the actuator or the length of the actuator rod?

Yes. You have a waste-gate related problem. Either the actuator is not opening wide enough, or your waste gate isn't flowing enough at high RPMs (assuming it gets fully open).

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Could I swap the two actuators?
I don't think they are interchangeable. The stock one is a Mitsubishi and the VF34 is an IHI turbocharger. I could be wrong on this, as Iíve never tried to swap the two.

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Hey Jeff,

Want to swap on a TD04 and send the VF34 to Deadbolt?
My garage is warm.
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I don't think they are interchangeable. The stock one is a Mitsubishi and the VF34 is an IHI turbocharger. I could be wrong on this, as Iíve never tried to swap the two.

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You are correct sir. I checked them out last night.

So, probably the best option is to get someone (like Deadbolt maybe) to order/send me a new wastegate actuator?

There also doesn't seem to be too much sense in getting it tuned until I get this fixed. drat - foiled again.
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Maybe it's time to bolt on an 18G - That would fix it.
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