ESP ticket update, any police/lawyers out there, can you look at this evidence photo?

Sean · 08-22-2000, 06:52 AM

OK, for those of you who missed my original ESP question, I got a citation for 40 in a 25. All other roads in the area are 35 and, even though this road is the primary route and is twice as wide as any other road around it, has an artificially low speed limit.

Last week, officers were clocking people with ESP coming through the intersection in question going from a 35 zone into a 25 zone and ticketing them. They had about a dozen people pulled over. Everyone from soccer moms to little old ladies.

Here is the only sign that marks the 25 zone. No other signs are visible and, before the intersection in the photograph, it's a 35 zone. I'm looking to plea for 5 over because I honestly thought I was still in a 35 zone. That is, if the officers even show up.

What are my chances of this photo actually getting me off completely, or at least getting me a plea for 5 over?

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NickSTi · 08-22-2000, 07:05 AM

Some of you guys have all the luck. I think I will start a thread on my latest misfortune

Sean · 08-22-2000, 07:08 AM

Teehee...well, some of the sign is still visible, but when going through an intersection at 40 MPH it's difficult to see. Hrm. I'll use my guilt as a defense! Yeah, yeah, that's it, yeah!

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thor · 08-22-2000, 07:54 AM

Sean,
If you are planning your defense of speeding on the obstructed speed limit sign alone, best of luck. You may run into trouble getting the photograph in. There is no date/time on the photo, etc.. In other words, don't rely only on the photograph. There will undoubtedly be other obstacles for you to get through in court.

Best wishes...Thor

8Complex · 08-22-2000, 08:25 AM

Hey is that your friend sitting behind the tree bending it over in front of the sign?

Good luck man... I've never had the drive to fight a ticket myself, I hope you do well.

KC · 08-22-2000, 08:56 AM

Go the the City Traffic Engeneering dept, if there is one, and find out how far away after an intersection there must be before there is a change in speed limit or notification thereof.

Some states actually have laws on the books that the Speed Limit sign be xx number of feet from an intersection.

Usually, entering an area where traffic slows, the speed limit goes lower before the traffic control device (Stop Sign/Lights) and not after it, like here.

I'd really look into it.

dada21 · 08-22-2000, 09:38 AM

Or go and get a lawyer...$75, he'll take your picture, throw it in the trash, and get you off with no points but a higher fine...

Snoopy · 08-22-2000, 09:43 AM

Sean,

My advice is to skip the country and head for Mexico.

Narso · 08-22-2000, 03:01 PM

Sean,

My advice is to try to get the prosecutor to drop the charges. Show him/her the photo you have. Once they decide not to dump this trash, you have two options. One take a plea to it and explain to the judge the situation - showing the photo. Likely the judge will either reduce the charges or give you no points. Your other option is to try the case. If you want help on what you have to do to have the photo admitted into evidence, PM me, and I'll give you a hand.

Dan Z.

08-22-2000, 06:52 AM	#1
Sean Scooby Guru Member#: 518 Join Date: Nov 1999 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: Trunkmonkey Racing Vehicle: 762 PGT Impreza L, Silverado EXT, Yaris	ESP ticket update, any police/lawyers out there, can you look at this evidence photo? OK, for those of you who missed my original ESP question, I got a citation for 40 in a 25. All other roads in the area are 35 and, even though this road is the primary route and is twice as wide as any other road around it, has an artificially low speed limit. Last week, officers were clocking people with ESP coming through the intersection in question going from a 35 zone into a 25 zone and ticketing them. They had about a dozen people pulled over. Everyone from soccer moms to little old ladies. Here is the only sign that marks the 25 zone. No other signs are visible and, before the intersection in the photograph, it's a 35 zone. I'm looking to plea for 5 over because I honestly thought I was still in a 35 zone. That is, if the officers even show up. What are my chances of this photo actually getting me off completely, or at least getting me a plea for 5 over? Fear the Trunkmonkey. There is no cone. Trunkmonkey World Headquarters \| Trunkmonkey Racing sean@trunkmonkey.com \| What is a Trunkmonkey? Somebody set up us the WRX. All your rice are belong to us! * Registered users of the site do not see these ads. Last edited by Sean; 11-13-2001 at 01:39 AM.

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NickSTi Scooby Specialist Member#: 626 Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Miami FL Vehicle: 2001 Impreza 2.5 RS Black Diamond Pearl	Some of you guys have all the luck. I think I will start a thread on my latest misfortune

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Sean Scooby Guru Member#: 518 Join Date: Nov 1999 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: Trunkmonkey Racing Vehicle: 762 PGT Impreza L, Silverado EXT, Yaris	Teehee...well, some of the sign is still visible, but when going through an intersection at 40 MPH it's difficult to see. Hrm. I'll use my guilt as a defense! Yeah, yeah, that's it, yeah! Trunkmonkey is here! Vinyl windshield banners and decals now available! Sean Sosik-Hamor < sean@trunkmonkey.com > Epinions Automotive Reviews by `Sean Dmoz Subaru Index by `Sean

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thor Scooby Newbie Member#: 870 Join Date: Feb 2000 Chapter/Region: RMIC Location: Salt Lake City, UT, USA Vehicle: 2011 STi WR Blue	Sean, If you are planning your defense of speeding on the obstructed speed limit sign alone, best of luck. You may run into trouble getting the photograph in. There is no date/time on the photo, etc.. In other words, don't rely only on the photograph. There will undoubtedly be other obstacles for you to get through in court. Best wishes...Thor

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8Complex Moderator Member#: 922 Join Date: Feb 2000 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: Schaumburg, IL Vehicle: 04 FXT Red	Hey is that your friend sitting behind the tree bending it over in front of the sign? Good luck man... I've never had the drive to fight a ticket myself, I hope you do well.

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KC Scooby Guru Member#: 442 Join Date: Oct 1999 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: SE Mass/RI Vehicle: 2013 Crosstrek XV 00 Honda S2000	Go the the City Traffic Engeneering dept, if there is one, and find out how far away after an intersection there must be before there is a change in speed limit or notification thereof. Some states actually have laws on the books that the Speed Limit sign be xx number of feet from an intersection. Usually, entering an area where traffic slows, the speed limit goes lower before the traffic control device (Stop Sign/Lights) and not after it, like here. I'd really look into it.

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dada21 Scooby Specialist Member#: 383 Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Gurnee, IL, USA Vehicle: 2001 Outback Sport Black	Or go and get a lawyer...$75, he'll take your picture, throw it in the trash, and get you off with no points but a higher fine...

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Narso Scooby Newbie Member#: 1442 Join Date: May 2000 Location: Baltimore, MD USA Vehicle: 1999 2.5 RS Aspen White	Sean, My advice is to try to get the prosecutor to drop the charges. Show him/her the photo you have. Once they decide not to dump this trash, you have two options. One take a plea to it and explain to the judge the situation - showing the photo. Likely the judge will either reduce the charges or give you no points. Your other option is to try the case. If you want help on what you have to do to have the photo admitted into evidence, PM me, and I'll give you a hand. Dan Z.