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Old 02-24-2004, 09:02 PM   #1
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hey has anyone had any HG related issues on the 2.5L engine? I was poking around in the tech area and found the following thread:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hreadid=488157

I'm sure more than 50% of the people here have that motor. So did SOA just hand out "stop leak" or are they replacing hg's?
how good/bad/indifferent is SOA handling this issue.
I've had my car for only a few days and think i may have to inquire....
if they are replacing hg's whats the best service place in NH? southern NH, that is....

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Old 02-24-2004, 09:25 PM   #2
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Milford, NH.

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Old 02-24-2004, 09:29 PM   #3
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If they are replacing hg's whats the best service place in NH? southern NH, that is...
The best place to get your head gaskets done is Exiter Subaru in Exiter, New Hampshire.

Seems that pretty much everyone with an EJ25 motor will need a new headgasket at some point, if they drive their car hard enough. The word is that the new improved headgasket design is a big improvement, not an all out 100% cure, but a big improvement.

On the other hand turboing the standard EJ25 is not such a good idea, although the STi's use an improved EJ25 block, so at some point folks who seriously want more power for their EJ25 Legacys & Impreza RS's might want to look into getting an STi EJ25 short block, and building up from there.
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Old 02-24-2004, 10:49 PM   #4
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Thanks for the plug Jonathan !

Despite what everyone is trying to push/convey, it is NOT a recall on headgaskets. The campaign basically is putting a bottle of $1.40 "Cooling System Conditioner" (which amounts to Stop Leak and we lovingly refer to as "Headgasket In A Can" at work. If you have the service done, Subaru will warranty your headgaskets to 8 years or 100k. It is voluntary however. I have chosen to not do it, as anything that is designed to plug large holes in your cooling system generally will plug small ones too- like the passages in your heater core .


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Old 02-24-2004, 11:35 PM   #5
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My mothers Legacy sedan had a head gasket leak at about 48k Tri state did the gaskets no questions asked under warranty. Not an extended warranty either, CHRIS.....
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Old 02-25-2004, 02:34 AM   #6
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he said leak.
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Old 02-25-2004, 08:55 AM   #7
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Seems that pretty much everyone with an EJ25 motor will need a new headgasket at some point, if they drive their car hard enough.
From everything I've read, it really doesn't matter how hard you drive the car (within reason). If the headgasket is gonna go, it's gonna go.

Here's the big thread from the Leg forum about it.

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Old 02-25-2004, 11:23 AM   #8
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*Knocks on wood* I'm over 100k without a leak in sight


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Old 02-25-2004, 11:30 AM   #9
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[b]*Knocks on wood* I'm over 84k without a leak in sight

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Old 02-25-2004, 12:15 PM   #10
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I thought this was really an issue with the older 2.5L motors. I haven't really heard of folks with the 99+ Phase II motors having problems (or at least problems early like ~ 60K miles).

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Old 02-25-2004, 01:19 PM   #11
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The 99-01 2.5 phase II's seem to be OK in the Impreza. The Foresters started coming in here for headgaskets starting in the 01 models. After that, they all seem to leak, whether Impreza, Forester, or Legacy. I haven't seen a Baja in here for it, but then again, they only sold like 7 of them worldwide thus far


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Old 02-25-2004, 02:17 PM   #12
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I haven't seen a Baja in here for it, but then again, they only sold like 7 of them worldwide thus far


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They most have sold 3 of those 7 in Londonderry!

Interesting info. I guess it's a good thing I didn't keep my RS!

Any 2.2L's with head gasket problems? [fingers crossed, makes purchase of L and sale of RS even better]

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Old 02-25-2004, 03:03 PM   #13
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and I just went through all that with my freaking HG

the car is now officially FOR SALE.
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Old 02-25-2004, 03:48 PM   #14
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The 99-01 2.5 phase II's seem to be OK in the Impreza. The Foresters started coming in here for headgaskets starting in the 01 models. After that, they all seem to leak, whether Impreza, Forester, or Legacy

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Brian,

Any idea on whether there are any official stats out there? From the Legacy thread posted it seems like there are a lot of Phase II engines with the same problem, (yet people still reffer to them being excluded.)

It is also curious that different models have it occur more frequently. My theory is that the Foresters and Legacys put more strain on the engine (cause they are heavier) increasing the incidence of failure.

Maybe the person who started that Legecay Thread will compile the data.

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Old 02-25-2004, 07:33 PM   #15
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TMK-

There are also a lot more Legacies (there has to be about eleventy billion Outbacks on the road) and Foresters than Imprezas.

Paul-

The 2.2 is prone to oil leaks much more than headgasket leaks- usually the valve covers and rear camshaft seals.


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Old 02-26-2004, 12:05 PM   #16
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There are also a lot more Legacies (there has to be about eleventy billion Outbacks on the road) and Foresters than Imprezas.

Paul-

The 2.2 is prone to oil leaks much more than headgasket leaks- usually the valve covers and rear camshaft seals.


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Good point.

Paul, I can vouch for the 2.2 leaks. Interestingly enough, my 2.5 and 2.2 both had valve cover and camshaft leaks.

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Paul, I can vouch for the 2.2 leaks. Interestingly enough, my 2.5 and 2.2 both had valve cover and camshaft leaks.

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The 2.2 is prone to oil leaks much more than headgasket leaks- usually the valve covers and rear camshaft seals.

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Not to change the subject of this thread. My 2.2L has ~14K miles on it now. At what mileage should I be concerned about these leaks?

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My 2.2 got changed at 144K, so you may have a ways to go

I dunno about the 2.2 actually. I bought it with the leaks, so I have no idea how long they have been there. Apperently, some people just drive around and don't fix them

2.5 went at ~75K.

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Old 03-04-2004, 10:28 AM   #19
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North Ursalia - now you referd the conditioner as a stop leak well this is my story

I didn't want to post it but my head gasket went well its on it's way out... i showed it to my mechanic and he said 2 options... 1) replace the gasket or 2) use blue devil.... yes I know don't ever clog the system with anything but anti-frezze... but i'm a poor college kid so... I went the blue devil route. now that i read this... I want my car to be fixed properly (replace my gasket) but since I put that blue crap in my car I don't think they'll service me... what do you think?

also my car's stats are 56,000 miles borla 2nd gen headers, larry's CAI, stromnug cat-back.
So what do you think i should do...
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I think you should have gone to the dealership in the first place, as you are less than 5 years and less than 60k miles- the headgasket job would have been covered under warranty . Now? I dunno. If they put the SOA635071 'conditioner' in and it's not leaking, they are not going to do a headgasket job under warranty, as nothing is wrong. If it is still leaking, your local dealership should do it.


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Old 03-04-2004, 11:23 AM   #21
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North Ursalia - now you referd the conditioner as a stop leak well this is my story

I didn't want to post it but my head gasket went well its on it's way out... i showed it to my mechanic and he said 2 options... 1) replace the gasket or 2) use blue devil.... yes I know don't ever clog the system with anything but anti-frezze... but i'm a poor college kid so... I went the blue devil route. now that i read this... I want my car to be fixed properly (replace my gasket) but since I put that blue crap in my car I don't think they'll service me... what do you think?

also my car's stats are 56,000 miles borla 2nd gen headers, larry's CAI, stromnug cat-back.
So what do you think i should do...
What about draining your system, refilling it with coolant and playing ignorant? Normally I dont advocate trying to screw over SOA, but in this case I think it's their fault anyways. And they've pretty much admitted it.
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...or that . My point basically is, if it's not visibly leaking right now they aren't going to strip the heads and do a gasket job for grins under warranty. If it's still leaking with the schtuff in there, they will.


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