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Old 02-26-2004, 05:23 AM   #1
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Default Is it just me, or is the STi "harder" to drive smoother than other cars?

I've had my STi now for around six months and think that I can drive it quite smoothly and effortlessly (with double-clutch downshifting, etc...)granted that the STi was my first manual car.

I've recently had a chance to drive a few different manual cars: 2004 Acura TSX, Mazda RX-8, and a Protoge. I've come to the conclusion that the STi is so much harder to drive in terms of effort. All the cars I've mentioned had super-silky shifts and super plush clutches. It seems that the STi clutch is so 10x more stiffer, but at the same time more precise. All the other clutches seem very "dull" in terms of engagement. I don't know if this is due to the STi clutch being quite stiff, so more precise pressure is needed.

I'm guessing that the reason for all of this is because the STi driveline/clutch assembly is a lot more hardy/robust than the cars I've mentioned? I would think that the RX-8 would be similar to the STi, because of it's similar HP rating/performace, but it was still had a lot plusher (softer) clutch as well as ease in shifting.

Also, does a hard clutch/soft clutch mean anything? I wonder if higher end performance cars (porsche, vettes) have a similar "raw" feel like the STi?

Not ranting or anything as I love my STi...just making some observations
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Old 02-26-2004, 05:58 AM   #2
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AWD clutches need to be stronger. I learned stick on my WRX, so it feels very unnatural when i drive other cars, like acuras, miatas, BMWs, etc.

Also, i've grown to love my WRX's seating style. very upright
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Old 02-26-2004, 07:16 AM   #3
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I think it's easier to drive smooth than my old REX wagon
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Old 02-26-2004, 09:02 AM   #4
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I learned stick on my WRX also- and the other day I drove my friend's Passat.

I was like ! I can let off the throttle in 1st and 2nd and not buck???
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Old 02-26-2004, 09:22 AM   #5
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I find the STi a lot easier to drive smoothly than my 02 WRX.
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Old 02-26-2004, 09:24 AM   #6
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I drive a lot of new cars for a short time each (a few days to a week per) and I found the STi -- both the test car and my personal vehicle -- to be very easy to drive.

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granted that the STi was my first manual car.
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It's you.

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p.s. - forget about the double-clutch downshifting. Just shift.
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Old 02-26-2004, 09:37 AM   #7
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At one time, I owned a 1969 Camaro SS with a 4 speed Hurst. Now that thing had a stiff clutch. In bumper to bumper traffic, it was like doing left legged leg presses. Young folks these days are getting to soft.
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Old 02-26-2004, 09:44 AM   #8
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^^ I learned to drive on a 1977 Volare with a 4-spd stick. The clutch in that was very stiff and had very abrupt engagement. I also drove MT pickups a lot. After that any modern Japanese car seems very easy.
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Old 02-26-2004, 10:13 AM   #9
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It seems that the STi clutch is so 10x more stiffer, but at the same time more precise
the STi makes me more stiffer
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Old 02-26-2004, 10:18 AM   #10
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p.s. - forget about the double-clutch downshifting. Just shift.
Yeah ... double clutching is meant for old classics and cars with dogboxes
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Old 02-26-2004, 10:33 AM   #11
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never driven the STi, but I know the feeling. Clutch engagement is a lot stiffer and less civilized in my MY01 RS than most any other MT i've driven, including an evo (obviously also AWD).

I think it's a Subaru thing. Prior to buying my car, I read as many consumer reports, magazine reports, and even an episode of Top Gear. Pretty much every report for every impreza across the model line including the grand daddy of them all, the 22b, in some way made reference to the bitey, grabby, less than polite clutch engagement.

but while it's an annoyance in town traffic, it's to your benefit when driving hard. just one of those little trade-offs you can't get around.
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Old 02-26-2004, 10:36 AM   #12
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My STi is one of the easiest car to drive smoothly. Everything is precise with the "right" amount of effort involved. In comparison, I think that my S2000 is too slick and not enough pedal weight and feel.

If you want to experience a truly heavy stock clutch...try a Cobra SVT. A good friend of mine has an 03'...you do not want to drive that in traffic!
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Old 02-26-2004, 10:53 AM   #13
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Yeah ... double clutching is meant for old classics and cars with dogboxes
While not necessary, double-clutching helps prolong the life of the syncros. Some short throw kits make the shifts so quick that they really over-tax the syncros, thus making double-clutching a good habit to get in, especially if you want to keep your tranny healthy for the long term. You don't have to do it, but if you're already doing it, I certainly wouldn't stop doing it.
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Old 02-26-2004, 10:54 AM   #14
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I learned to drive on my WRX, then drove an Evo... then drove an STi. The two latter cars were a bit easier to drive
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Old 02-26-2004, 11:01 AM   #15
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be glad your clutch is the way it is...i've heard of evo's needing a clutch after 3700 miles!!! granted my sti isnt as easy to shift as my TA was, but like they said before...its AWD
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Old 02-26-2004, 12:04 PM   #16
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THe WRX and STI clutches are NOTHING compaired to the ACT 6 puck I had in my Talon. My leg used to get SSSOOOOO tired holding that thing in at stop lights.
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Old 02-26-2004, 12:05 PM   #17
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My ts feels like shifting a tractor compared to my old spec and my gf's msp. I'll eventually be smooth like I am in most other cars I guess.
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Old 02-26-2004, 12:10 PM   #18
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I have a feeling the guy in the first post is confusing rev-matching with double clutching.

Anyways, double clutching is unnecessary, for the most part. Just match revs when down shifting.
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Old 02-26-2004, 12:20 PM   #19
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I would think that the RX-8 would be similar to the STi, because of it's similar HP rating/performace, but it was still had a lot plusher (softer) clutch as well as ease in shifting.
Hmm... last time I checked, the STi had a 62 hp advantage over the RX-8 and did high 12s/low 13s in the quarter-mile versus the RX-8's mid-14-second timeslips. Weight distribution and sex appeal aside, I don't think the RX-8 can mess with the STi when it comes to performance.
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Old 02-26-2004, 12:30 PM   #20
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I think the rx8 still has the handling adv on the track though
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Old 02-26-2004, 12:35 PM   #21
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I've never driven an STi but I can say that my rex (which I learned to drive stick on) is wayyy more tempermental than the gf's 325i. Shifting in the bimmer is so effortless.. I HATE not being able to downshift into 1st unless I'm at a stop!

Which leads me to this... Can you downshift into 1st in an STi while doing 10-15 mph? Or do you have to basically stop like in a WRX??
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Old 02-26-2004, 12:38 PM   #22
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Gotta be stopped or barely moving (under 5mph) to just shift into first on just about every manual I can think of.
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Old 02-26-2004, 12:43 PM   #23
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Gotta be stopped or barely moving (under 5mph) to just shift into first on just about every manual I can think of.
You can get into first gear if you rev match.
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Old 02-26-2004, 12:43 PM   #24
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I drive a lot of new cars for a short time each (a few days to a week per) and I found the STi -- both the test car and my personal vehicle -- to be very easy to drive.

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It's you.

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p.s. - forget about the double-clutch downshifting. Just shift.
Agreed. The WRX STI is definitely easier to drive and shift smoothly than WRX,EVO,350Z, Volvo S40, Mustang GT, BMW 3 series and Audi 4 series among others. It is slightly easier to drive smoothly than the Porsche Boxter. Gears are close together, engagement is precise, throws are short...etc. It is also a fast box. I have yet to miss a shift by being too fast. A problem I had with my WRX and an Evo that I test drove.

I haven't driven any of the cars you compared to, but I noticed none of them have any real power or torque except for the RX8 and even that car does not make advertised power.
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Old 02-26-2004, 12:48 PM   #25
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I learned stick on my WRX also- and the other day I drove my friend's Passat.

I was like ! I can let off the throttle in 1st and 2nd and not buck???
That is "usually" the product of a heavy flywheel, and a slower car. The heavy flywheel's inertia acts against changes in velocity, ie bucking.....including acceleration. (not good) I am surprised the STI doesn't buck more than the WRX in that circumstance (it doesn't) because it has a lighter flywheel.
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