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Old 08-21-2000, 08:45 AM   #1
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After a nice conversation aobut cars with my dad, he said he read in the Automobile or Road & Track magazine that GM has already bought around 43-49% of Subaru's shares. Looks like a big increase from last yr when GM only had 18%. King of Car Industries like Ford, GM and Chrysler are buying out the smaller manufacturers as already seen with BMW=GM, Jaguar=Ford, and so on....
Will we be under the GM umbrella??? Maybe 2001 will be the sellout yr for Subaru. GM is highly interested with the AWD, LSD, "Wheels that slip to the wheels that grip" technique.... What's up with that???? N E 1 know about this????
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Old 08-21-2000, 09:02 AM   #2
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In a few years there will likely only be a few auto manufacturers. Its true, the big boys are buying out the little guys. Its been coming for years. No one really knows if it is a good or bad thing yet though, time will tell I suppose.

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P.S. You will probably see this same thing with alot of the tier 1 suppliers as well. Alot of the bigger suppliers are gearing themselves towards "system suppliers" instead of just component. For example, someone like Federal Mogul offering an entire engine head to DaimlerChrysler.....complete with fuel rail, ignition system, plugs, etc. Automotive field is a crazy thing right now.
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so, how long does everyone think it will be till the whole world is run by a handfull of companies? I beleive GM is one of the 5 largest on the planet, so I'd say we aren't far from that evil day.

I'm totally against big business... Large corporations are evil.

Now I'm all flustered... I could bable all day about how much bisiness rules society and how much it all sux, but I'm sure you all know that...

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Old 08-21-2000, 09:07 AM   #4
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Maybe hopes for a change in the Impreza style down the road OR a screw up worse than the MY02, heh??? I wonder where Fuji Industries stands in all this??? Will they still make parts and become independent or merge with GM? Independence may be too risky hunh?
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Old 08-21-2000, 12:59 PM   #5
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You know what's funny? I work for GM and hope they buy all of Subaru from FHI by next year. But then again, I wish they didn't.

You see...
1) I want the new Impreza WRX alot! I've been eyeing an MR2 Spyder and a 1.8T Jetta, but one is too $$$ for a non aspirated roadster and the other is too teutonic plain! If GM buys them, I'll get ~15% off MSRP... cool!

2) I freakin' HATE how the big fish are swallowing all the small ones! To me the pros in these ventures don't seem to out weigh the cons... in the long term... for the actual customers. Pretty soon, we'll all be driving slightly different vehicles all based on 3 different platforms. They'll be: the car platform, the truck platform, and the 'trendy' platform.

P.S. As far as why they want Subie... they claim it's because of the AWD expertise. I believe it has more to do with adding volume to their market share so as not to drop below FORD. GM has lead FORD eversince it outpaced them in the early part of last century. To fall behind now will be such a blackeye that their image/share price will drop to greater lows than it currently is. What's interesting is the companies that GM swallows up. They chose SAAB a few years ago... as conservative as GM is, it seems really odd to me that they would choose such a maverick like SAAB. Now its eyeing Subie. Subie, to me, is like the SAAB of Japan(now don't flame me for this comparo). I just think of Subie as a quirky, non-conformist kind of car company. They both also have great rally heritages! Oh well...


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Old 08-21-2000, 03:37 PM   #6
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"BMW=GM"

eh?

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Old 08-21-2000, 04:37 PM   #7
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1) It is a VERY possible fact that in the coming 50-60 years we will see the world owned by a few megacorporations and that we will all be working under one of those megacorporations, driving very similar cars, and doing very similar jobs. time and progression will lead our world to continually merge over and over as communication and social boundaries disappear over time, and we'll develop into a very similar society leaning to as much UTOPIAN as human nature can create (since it's impossible to be perfect). Then again I hope GM never buys SUBARU. just my 2 cents.

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Old 08-21-2000, 04:41 PM   #8
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I doubt that GM bought more then 33% of Subaru. Reason is it would have to get the Japanese govs stamp of approval. If any outside company wants more then 33% share it would mean they have decision making and vetoing power on all company decisions that are made. The first sale of stock was all over the news here and since then there hasn't been any mention of it. They might try to buy up SOA but not FHI. Even Chrysler only bought 34% of Mitsu. It means they get certain technology and decision making rights. It will suck though when the US gets down to having basically only 2 or 3 companies to get cars from. Everyone will end up looking the same and nothing will be superior. Everything will nice and average.
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Old 08-21-2000, 04:56 PM   #9
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As long as it's SOA selling out to GM (and making GM cars better) and not GM selling out to SOA (and making Subarus worse) then I don't care. It's still the same good stuff underneat. People just identify brands...

Look at the Chevy Prizm and Toyota Corolla. Or the Chevy Metro and Suzuki Swift. I don't care if GM rebadges the Impreza as a "Chevalier Ultra High Performancemobile" (OK, that would be a bit much). If I still have my Impreza, and the range of influence increases, hey...

Size (as long as there's still competition) equals benefits to the consumer as far as I'm concerned. I would love for Subaru to stay independent, but if they're going to keep producing good stuff AND the prices will drop as their stuff will be produced in higher quantities...all the better!
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Ever wonder how much of a bite it would take out of the US car makers if the US was allowed a Grey Import market? You could get whatever car you wanted from other countries and save some cash in the process. Ahh those would be good times.
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I would just hate to see the Impreza get different names and marketed differently under those other companies. (Eagle Talon-Mitsu Eclipse-Plymouth Laser. Dodge Stealth-Mitsu 3000GT etc.)
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Old 08-22-2000, 01:25 AM   #12
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Oh no! If GM did in fact buy 43+% of Fuji Heavy Industries, then that would explain the fugly headlights on the MY02! just kidding...

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Old 08-22-2000, 05:42 AM   #13
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I was under the impression that Toyota is still 100% independent.
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Old 08-22-2000, 06:15 AM   #14
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OK,
Would someone like to enlighten me as to why the title of this thread starts 'OT'? It's about Subaru for Gods sake!!!!!

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There is absolutely no evidence that larger car companies buying up smaller ones has done anything to reduce the diversity of cars that are being developed. As a matter of fact there appears to be a substantial upswing in the number of concept cars that are making it to market. Just stop and think of the cars that are out there right now compared to the number of generic econoboxes that were coming out in the late 80s early 90s.

Very few of the companies that are being purchasd are doing anything differently in the R&D than they did before. They just have a lot more stability with the influx of cash from the bigger company. Case in point Saab is still making screwed up looking things that only a mother could love. The whole point of the larger companies buying the smaller ones is to get access to their technology and to allow them to get into the niche markets without all of the overhead around starting a new line of cars (unions, factories, marketing, etc.).

This whole issue of mega corporations eventually running the world is, in my opinion, incorrect. If anything the opposite is happening. People are leaving the big companies in droves to go to startups and small companies. Almost everyone I know that used to work at EDS has now left to join a startup. Technology has allowed smaller companies to be run without the overhead that comes with managing the typical large company. Smaller companies are more nimble and can get to market faster and react more quickly. Yes they may eventually get bought out but guess what. Those people go off and start another one.

I will now step off my soapbox.
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Old 08-22-2000, 08:06 AM   #16
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AFAIK Honda and Toyota are the only japanese car companies that are independent..but i dont know how the prizm thing fits in there.
 
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Greg I,
I was surprised to find out that GM makes the transmission for BMW. I started creating a habit to read the small articles in the car magazines. Sometimes the information in the small articles are the ones with the most insight.
Geezer,
The reason why I called it OT, was that alot of people opinionize that anything not related to mods, and mechanical questions (although we have a board for it) is considered OT, so lighten up my friend.
And to others,
I agree about the strategy to invest or "buy out" the smaller companies but it's true what N/A mentioned about buying the technical invention of smaller manufacturers. But also we don't know if GM DID indeed get the Japanese Govt. approval. But I did mention GM was interested in the AWD system.
But what hasn't come out in the open is if FHI is also "suck up" in this.
Another thing....
I don't think Honda & Toyota are fully independent... If they are making their cars in the US, the US is NOT just going to "rent" locations (factories) to them. The US is much smarter than that. Got a feelin' the big cowboys are just layin in the sunset with that one. Nothing is free in America...

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Big Elm,
My post was in jest, no hostilities intended at all. My apologies if you thought so. I just sometimes forget about the smilies when I'm working (working in the loosest possible terms, you understand! )

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The Prizm is a relic from the Geo "attempt".

The Storm was a rebodied and weakened Isuzu Impulse. It died when Isuzu wisely dropped it's car market and focused on the profit-healthy SUV market. Fact: Isuzu's truck is a Chevy S-10.

The Metro was a Suzuki Swift. Suzuki made a 1.3L DOHC version that was really quite fast but the Metro was a fuel-mileage car that sold a lot.

The Prizm is/was a Toyota Corolla, made in the same plant as the Corolla, with minor changes to its appearance, but mechanically identical.

The Tracker is/was the Suzuki Sidekick and is now based on the Vitara/Grand Vitara.

The Geo badge is gone, thank god, but the remaining cars are still pretty good.

Ford bought Jaguar and it's never been better. Sure the engines are based off of those in the Taurus, but they're more reliable and are much faster and still retain that Jag "spirit".

It's not a bad thing to be bought out, just so long as the big part lets the little part do it's job and make its own cars the way it should. So what if the 2003 Lumina has an AWD system adapted from the Legacy. People who buy Subarus do so because of features and what Subaru represents.
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Hey Geezer,
No biggy man...I too forgot the smile . It was just clearing it up for any other person out there that you infected their minds with....hehehe
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N E wayz, I think if GM gets a hold of the distinctive AWD system that Sube has...it will definitely take the fun out of being unique. Notice how first American made cars had the rear wheel drive, then Japanese invented the front wheel drive. And although I'm not a FWD person, I thought it was a pretty good idea for LIGHT cars. The way Japanese make them. But then the US wanted to get a piece of the action, and bought the idea. The US ended screwing up their cars because they wanted to reinvent the wheel, modify/make changes to the FWD system and caused their sales to drop significantly. Not to mention putting FWD on the US's heavy cars was the most stupidess thing they could ever have done. Now US is vearing back to RWD (which I would prefer over FWD anyday, but not AWD) for their cars. AND NOW they are looking into the AWD, but not just any AWD but Sube's AWD. Can't these damn US car manufacturers invent anything useful on their own. Crap, I mean give me a break, how long will it be when Japan says, "Damn, now why didn't WE think of that?" Who/When, we will never know.....
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Hey! Let's give credit where it's due! Nobody! I mean N O B O D Y makes a cupholder like a US car company.
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Old 08-22-2000, 10:13 AM   #23
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Well I'll be damn...
Now that was funny...although not technical...
I dare anyone to come up with something that US made and Japanese are still wishing for it....Bring it on!!!
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Old 08-22-2000, 11:29 AM   #24
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Greg I,
I was surprised to find out that GM makes the transmission for BMW. I started creating a habit to read the small articles in the car magazines. Sometimes the information in the small articles are the ones with the most insight.


As far as I know (someone correct me if I'm wrong), these transmissions are the automatics used only in V8-equipped BMWs. I don't think GM has any sort of real investment in BMW, although GM and Ford have both been making attempts to buy BMW out.

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Hey, Big Elm how about a full size SUV (like the Excursion or the Suburban). How about the brand loyalty that a caddy or an olds has. I've talked to some olds owners and, they can't be convinced to even look at another car.

GM bought part of sube to get access to the all wheel drive system. GM has plans for making a "world" suv. A really cheap jeep wrangler type thing that can be sold in southeast asia, India and Africa. Imagine if they could make a four cylinder four wheel drive vehicle that sells for about ten grand. It doesn't take a genius to figure they'd fly out of showrooms in "developing countries". You guys can put to rest a rebadged impreza selling as a chevy. It's not going to happen. They want the cheapest, lightest and easiest to maintain all wheel drive system around and, it looks like they got what they wanted.
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