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Old 05-31-2000, 11:38 AM   #1
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Question Wonder about importing a Ford Escort Cosworth?

Hmm, I know it's really hard to get a foreign manufacturer's Euro or Japan market products into the US due to protectionist legislation, but what about cars like the Escort RS Cosworth? Since it's based on roughly the same car as the US Escort of the same period, I wonder how hard it would be to get one in here, like one a few years old maybe.

Anybody have any information on this? Thoughts?
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Old 05-31-2000, 11:46 AM   #2
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Brucelee, while I'd usually agree with your statement (...used to drive a P-p-p-probe...)
FYI, there's a BIG difference between *American* Ford and *European* Ford...

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Old 05-31-2000, 11:46 AM   #3
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I believe that HKS used to import Cosworth Escorts. You might want to check with them.

Even though normal Escorts do suck, the Cosworth Escort is NOTHING like the U.S. version. They are totally performance cars that are extremely well built.
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Old 05-31-2000, 11:50 AM   #4
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Brucelee, Are you on crack? Just joking.

Those cars are way fun and I wish they had them here. I still don't understand why they didn't bring them here as the Focus.
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Old 05-31-2000, 11:52 AM   #5
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Oh come on, grow up a little. Maybe if you did a little research you'd think before making statements like that.

I don't care in the slightest about things like brand prejudice. What a waste of my time.

If Ford sucks so badly, I wonder why they've been such a contender in the WRC for the past decade or so? Consider the fact that the most mechanically similar cars to the WRX are the Lancer Evo and the Ford Cosworth.
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Old 05-31-2000, 11:56 AM   #6
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BTW, I've never actually driven a Cosworth, but I have driven a Sierra and several Scorpios. Both were quite well built, though the Scorpio is not exactly sporty. I was just thinking that one would perhaps have much better luck importing the product of a US automaker into the US than say, a grey market WRX or TVR.

Kalins- I will check on HKS, do you know what their website is off the top of your head?

(edit) never mind, I found it! ...thanks though


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Old 05-31-2000, 01:13 PM   #7
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Unfortunately, a Cosworth would toast a 22B. You are talking about 350 horses of unadulterated terror on wheels.
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Old 05-31-2000, 01:24 PM   #8
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I beleive that ther is an EPA or DOT exemption that has opened up in the past year for cars of exceptional engineering or specialty merit. This rule actually makes it tougher to import a european version of a car that is sold in the states. It is more reserved for the kind of stuff we don't get, like Mclarens or 959s, Lotus Elises etc. Check with the EPA or DOT.

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Old 05-31-2000, 01:24 PM   #9
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You can find Cossies for sale in AutoTrader (www.traderonline.com) every now and then. Can't say about the pricing, I skim it lightly.
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Old 05-31-2000, 01:35 PM   #10
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A cosworth doesn't have 350bhp, the escort as standard has 227bhp, so would hardly spank a 22b with 280bhp!

The Escort Cossie is a bloody good car, fast, well built, good handling and has just as big a following in the UK as a scooby - it is not just another Escort.

One of our tuning magazines has this month compared a team of scoobies against Cosworths (Standard UK Turbo, Tuned Turbo, STI and 22b vs Escort Cosworth, Sapphire and 3dr) - The scoobies won, faster than the fords although the fords had more power!

2 of the fords blew up as against only one of the scoobs (The 22b)

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Old 05-31-2000, 01:39 PM   #11
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The post's for Sun International is correct. They are the one that are liscensed to import the Ford Cosworth. They will charge you the price of the Car, Shipping, all associated import taxes and duties, along with 9,000 US greenbacks to make it legal in California. I talked to them about a year ago on importing a Cossy Rs. Autohaus Richter is having a hard time finding Cossies that don't have alot of miles on them. They are there but the majority of them are in rough shape.

A stock Cossy only came with 225 bhp. There is a kit that upgrades the motor to 350 and on up to 475. These like the car are also expensive. Your better off turboing a Subaru than to upgrade a car that already has a turbo. These kits are nothing more than a new managment system and a fuel system. Don't forget that most European countries do have some form of pollution control. Thats why the car came with such a low HP rating. Don't get me wrong that Cossy is one hell of a motor.

I have driven a Cossy that was setup for road racing. The best running thing I have ever driven or riden in. I would love to own one myself.
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Speaking in terms of stock specs, I don't believe an Escort Cosworth is 350bhp, is it?
I think it's more like 220? Still blazing, but not a real match for any 276bhp WRX-spec'd Impreza.

The fastest Cosworth derivative I believe was the Sierra 4-door. Faster than the Escort in every measure.

Yet all Cossies are bad-ass, I agree. Something about the front fascia of the Euro Escorts make it look ten times better than any Escort ever sold in the US.

Ford has a long, long pedigree in the Rallying business. They were racing Escorts in the 70's, maybe in the 60's. RWD, helmed by greats like Ari Vatanen, "The King of Oppposite Lock". They are cool cars.

I would say the concept of the modern compact 4WD sportscar was fathered by two models: The Lancia Delta Integrale and the Escort Cossie. Or maybe that's just cause I read those British car mags too much.
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Old 05-31-2000, 02:02 PM   #13
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"Blew Up"

One sierra destroyed a drive shaft, and the other a cam bearing, the 22b warped a clutch plate

The cossie engine started in the three door cossie 2wd as 202hp (I think), 220 in the 4 door 4*4 and 227 in the Escort.

As for starting the trend - whataboutthe Ur-Quattro - I still miss mine - the Subaru hasn't got that special something the Quattro (but no other Audi's)

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Old 05-31-2000, 02:03 PM   #14
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You can't forget the Audi Quattro That car showed that AWD was the way to go in rallying, before Ford or Lancia.
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Old 05-31-2000, 02:27 PM   #15
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Absolutely, I forgot about the Quattro - shame on me!!!

Another thing, $40k for a Cossie Escort does not sound too bad to me. Much better than $90k for a Skyline. If I was a rich guy, it would be tempting.
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Old 05-31-2000, 02:33 PM   #16
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Damn bruce don't get so upset. I mean you hate Ford and thatís ok but damn light up will you. You had the same kind of reaction when I asked about getting a FORD Focus ZX3. Did I listened to you Hell no! and got my little ZX3
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Old 05-31-2000, 07:46 PM   #17
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Porter.

If you want the details on importing a car then e-mail me and I'll get you all the info.

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Old 06-01-2000, 12:03 AM   #18
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America would be thrown in a state of chaos or even civil war if ever a factory spec Escort spanks a Mustang GT.... So no Escort can have that amount of performance inside. It's a different story in Europe hoever as Mustangs and other muscle cars are not regarded as a high performance car. I read a review of a V8 Camaro on EVO or CAR a few months ago. It dissed the car pretty bad.
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Hey Porter, I wouldn't try importing any European car unless you have lots of patience and $$$. Richard Squire will tell you that it is very difficult. (he's trying to get his 22B stateside) If you do have the $$$$ to bring one over, be very careful on the rules, you might need to bring it to the US in bits and pieces just like the late Carl Merril did with his awesome 400+ Ford Escort "Cossie" rally car. It might have to be registered as a kit car and only driven like 2000 miles a year.
Also, a used Cossie is now going to be a rather old car since it has not been in production for a number of years. If you do find one, it might be beat up pretty bad. Good Luck,
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Porter,
Sun International Racing is the official U.S. importer of Cosworths. European Car magazine did an article on them a few years back. I think their website is www.suninternational-usa.com Be prepared to pay a LOT of money. In addition to the cost of the car, you have to pay $8000 to SIR to do all of the paperwork. If you want, you can go to Europe and find one but you'll still have to pay SIR to bing the car over and prep it for use here. FYI, there are some Cosworths here in the US for sale by the owners. Again, check the SIR website for the addresses.
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You can get them from Sun International, but they're expensive. Average is around $40k (used) I think. Apparently, Jason Priestly (from "Beverly Hills, 9021crap") has one.
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I saw a beautiful almost "Rally blue with a slight purple pearl" Cosworth RS driven by a woman on the way back from the last autoX in San Diego. I was wondering how they got it here? Very Sweet car even though the Bi-level wing was a bit much.
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would anyone else like to see brucelee line his RS up against a cosworth? I would.

comments like that are discouraging and ignorant, he wasn't asking your OPINION on the Escort cozzy, and to throw something like that out there is embarrasing.

sorry, but I'm seeing more and more comments like that on this board, and it's uncalled for.

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Old 06-01-2000, 12:38 AM   #24
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Great site. Thanks guys, you've been a big help.


Note: A Ford Cosworth RS with 350+ hp can be had in the US for in the neighborhood of 40 grand, taxed and titled, registered with the EPA. Those who have tried to import a 22B (Richard Squire?) were told that they would have to place a bond on the vehicle of more than 150% of the value of the car, and then disassemble the vehicle for import.
To me this construes flagrant favoritism, protectionism, and an abuse of power in order to extort thousands of dollars from enthusiasts for government use. Anybody else with me?
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Old 06-01-2000, 12:48 AM   #25
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Sun International has very, um, "dubious" methods for registering their cars in the States. Use them at your own risk. I believe others have better first-hand knowledge of this.

would anyone else like to see brucelee line his RS up against a cosworth? I would.

comments like that are discouraging and ignorant, he wasn't asking your OPINION on the Escort cozzy, and to throw something like that out there is embarrasing.

sorry, but I'm seeing more and more comments like that on this board, and it's uncalled for.

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Agreed 100%. Brucelee has no idea what he's talking about -- but hey, ignorance is bliss, is it not? It's too bad that more of these people are finding their way onto the board, but the discussion still seems - on average - pretty intelligent.

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