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Old 05-31-2000, 05:04 AM   #1
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Angry Carpoint AWD article...

First, take a look at this article on MSN's Carpoint site.

How the hell can you have an article about full time 4WD, also known as AWD, without even mentioning Subaru? Sickening.
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Old 05-31-2000, 06:38 AM   #2
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Steve,

Actually I think it makes perfect sense why they didn't mention Subaru. Look at the sidebar. What manufacturers do they list?
AM, Jeep, Benz, Land Rover, Toyota -- all the cars are SUVs. Most people in this country (members of this club excluded)associate 4WD and offroading with big SUVs hopping around rocks in the Grand Canyon. What passenger cars are currently sold with AWD? I can only think of Subarus and Audis. Neither make TV commercials highlighting offroad capabilities of their cars. Audi doesn't even state on the car that its AWD. (Subies have a tiny decal, and I doubt average Joe knows what Quattro means).

I got a lot of flak from my family for buying a Subie. They see AWD as completely useless and a waste of gas. I couldn't even convice my grandfather, a military engineer of 30 yrs, that on the rainy roads of Seattle AWD with ABS will do me mounts of good. The man designed tanks for living, you'd think he would get it?!

The article is nothing more than an advertisement for SUV companies. It goes along with what the public likes and what gets Carpoint money. They are a carselling site after all, and profits on SUVs are insane.

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Old 05-31-2000, 06:54 AM   #3
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The article wasn't about AWD in cars. It was about Full Time 4wd in trucks with low range gears. At least the impression I got from it. They didn't mention the AWD Van (Astro/Safari, Caravan) cause they don't have a low range either. Nor did they include any that have AWD that can be disengaged (Trooper, Explorer, Yukon/Suburban/Tahoe). It's MS they are just whores for the $ of the advertisers.

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Old 05-31-2000, 07:51 AM   #4
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I think you should have been looking at this article instead. This deals more with what is available in an audi or subaru.
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Old 05-31-2000, 10:23 AM   #5
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Bateau-

Don't forget Volvo too. And I thought that I heard somewhere that BMW was going to start making AWD drive cars again...

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Old 05-31-2000, 04:35 PM   #6
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What else is new? Carpoint is just trying to sell the public on something they've already bought. It's useless for them to release "articles" but it makes them look remotely independent from the car companies that "sponsor" them.

It's the same with the car magazines. Advertisement money buys good reviews. Always has.

Re: 2WD/AWD...wonder how fast the Sube would be if it could stick those 165 horses right to the ground? I'm willing to bet a FWD RS would be a little faster than the same car in AWD.

Any thoughts?
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Old 05-31-2000, 06:30 PM   #7
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I don't think the loss of traction would make up for the few HP lost in the drivetrain. I think that Subaru has done a good job at designing a drive train that is as efficient as ours is. I think the only thing you would gain is wheel spin. It still has to move the rear axle, doesn't it?
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Old 06-01-2000, 12:06 AM   #8
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Just an observation...

The second AWD articles states that there is no way to put the car in 2WD, but that's not actually the case with automatic Subies. From what I read in the manual that came with my 5-speed RS, all you need to do is plug a fuse into the "2WD" slot in the engine bay fusebox and your car will be in 2WD (only to be used for towing or driving with the temporary spare BTW... wonder if it would improve gas mileage though...)

Somebody should point this out to the folks at Carpoint so that they can remedy this oversight immediately...
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Old 06-01-2000, 12:16 AM   #9
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Ok so here's a question. The second article states


"All-wheel-drive vehicles do not come with a transfer gearbox —also known as a transfer case—that provides a low range to gear down the engine torque for the extra control that off-road enthusiasts often demand. "



Are they basing this on automatic transmissions or is this the case for all the manual Subies that most of us drive?

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Old 06-01-2000, 12:35 AM   #10
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Actually,one of my other Subie's my 88 Subaru RX sedan has fulltime 4WD (AWD) and a dual range transfer case, high and low range! Also, I believe in Europe you can get the Impreza and the Legacy with dual range transfer cases. But, I guess the people who wrote the article didn't know this?

Also, BMW is bringing back an AWD sedan and coupe the 330xi, Mercedes offers it's AWD as 4-matic on it's cars, Volkswagon just brought over it's AWD called 4-motion to the line up and Saab is most likely going to offer AWD soon too. But, Subaru is still the most affordable AWD vehicle by far!

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Old 06-01-2000, 12:36 AM   #11
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Well, the idea is that it is a permenant system. Not to be used on a daily basis (or else they would have put a switch in the car to do it) For all end-intent purposes, the cars are permenant AWD. Even though you can put a fuse in to disengage it, it isn't recommended for daily driving.

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