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Old 03-06-2004, 09:46 AM   #1
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Subaru Banner What do you like least about your Baja?

I'll admit it, I was reluctant to get one. We traded a bahemoth F150 which was fine as a truck but the worst commuter vehicle. I feared the flat handling feeling the Legacys have, I used to own a 97 Leg GT. I feared missing the grunt and power the 5.0L F150 had. Well, those feelings have subsided, the NA Baja is fun, usefull, great MPG compared to the old truck, ect ect ect.

But with every car/truck comes a drawback. For me, I don't like the seat height. To me its too high. The seats seem just fine, its just they are too high and they dont need to be like that. I feel like I'm on top of the wheel instead of behind it. Thats it. Everything else is fine or better than I had expected.

What do you like the least about your Baja? Stereo? Tires? Trim? Paint? Lack of bolt ons? Tell us.
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Old 03-06-2004, 11:24 AM   #2
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Its overall displacement with the same standard 2.5l 165hp engine as lighter Legacy's. Yes, the Turbo has more horses, but i don't own a Turbo.

Also on weight, the weight of the liftgate specifically. If i had a gym membership, which i don't, i'd cancel it and just resort to working out with the liftgate.

I've never been the type to replace a stock radio/speakers so i could care less about that. Its just one more reason to give some idiot to steal or vandalize.

The shoes are adequate, however i have replaced mine with a higher-end set.

The middle rear console as opposed to seating is a tossup. While i know this is a complaint for many, it isn't for us. If we need to drive more than 4 we take our other car or someone else's. Given the space back there, i would HATE to be that middle person with so little room even with that being made part of the seat.
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Old 03-06-2004, 11:45 AM   #3
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Displacement is my biggest problem. I also don't have a Turbo, and wouldn't have gotten one due to its need of premium gas, I just wish they could do more with the 2.5L engine though. Cars out there can make 100hp/L and get over 30 mi/gal, why not us? The mileage isn't as great as I was hoping, and I'd really like it taller. Since I'm not gonna keep this forever, I'm not even thinking about modding. I think for my next vehicle I'm going back to a real truck.
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Old 03-06-2004, 03:31 PM   #4
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I guess displacement is "smoked in mirror" with turbo. What I mean is that other car manufacturers have successfully achieved 100hp per litter with non-turbo engines while Subaru still can't do that.

My word of advise to Subaru is the cupholder placement. Subaru should've either a) placed the e-brake on the driver's side, or b) put the cupholder toward back, or on the dash. It's nothing critical, but I can't release the ebrake without hitting my coffee cup, and have hard time finding where to drop in the dark - or in occasions that I require a sudden attention. It requires somewhat "out of path" arm swing. Talk about picky.

Interior roominess is another questioning point. As I owned Impreza, I expected front compartment to be roomier - not. It's very small. One step up should give some more room.

Fuel gauge reading. It runs about 200 miles to move the needle to a half. Then another 100 miles to hit the fuel light. Half line should read a half. It gives me a false sense of acomplishment

Underguard. It's total PITA to change oil in my little garage, let alone it's full of goo. I took mine off, but I wish it were a bit easier to work with.

Driving lights turns off when I switch to high beam. On the pitch dark mountain road, I need high beam for the distance, and driving lights for objects that dive into my car (animals). I don't understand this logic.

I love my Baja, it's a perfect match for me. But as more and more car companies push out hybrid, excellent packaging, attractive looking vehicles, Subaru lost its' brightness - even with its hybrid concept car and revised Outback turbo. Subaru is truning into a mediocre company, in my opinion. And it'll take much more than revised Outback to get an "innovative" status back when it was in mid 90's where none of others were mass-producing 4wd cars. Look at Geneva auto show - Subaru isn't even on a spot light by some auto news...
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Old 03-06-2004, 09:25 PM   #5
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Coming from a VW Jetta Turbo, I mostly miss the power (Yes I have an N/A Baja). But really am not that disapointed, it can get out of its own way.

I have only had it for about a week, and haven't been able to drive it the last few days because I had to start a new insurance policy. But so far only a few minor modifications are planned because I am happy with the car and only see some areas that could use improvement. Mainly a new headunit so I can use my mp3 player and probably better breathing and exhaust for the engine.
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Old 03-07-2004, 01:16 AM   #6
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I have now had my baja for 3 weeks now and there are only a couple for me. 1, I agree with that the e-break is not placed as well. I wouldn't want subaru to put the cup holders back into the dash (condinsation into CD/Tape desk). I like it in the console instead. I would have the e-brake and cupholders swapped. 2, the lack of a seprate rear turn signal. I have always hated the auto companies that combine the break light and the turn signal. I am working on a way to do this.

I can't think of a single other thing. I absolutly love my Baja T. It is so mutch fun to drive.

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Old 03-07-2004, 10:07 AM   #7
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... 2, the lack of a seprate rear turn signal. I have always hated the auto companies that combine the break light and the turn signal. I am working on a way to do this.
I'm concerned with the 2 tail lights in the tailgate. Once or twice a winter I have to fill the bed full of sand and salt for our driveway. I spread it out on the driveway so friends, family, and delivery trucks(or anyone else w/out AWD) can drive up without problems. Those lights in the tailgate are going to corrode because when I rinsed all the remaining sand and salt the stuff went everywhere but off the vehicle. I fear its spread thru out and under the bed cover and inside the tailgate and light fixures.

So, because its not a bare metal bed like our old truck, I'm going to have to disassemble the bed cover plastic panels and tailgate and rinse it thoroughly this summer. Maybe some 5 gal pails are a better idea next winter?
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Old 03-08-2004, 12:22 PM   #8
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I guess my biggest complaint thus far is the interior height. I'm a fraction over 6' tall, probably about 1/2" too tall for a Baja. I constantly feel my hair brushing on the headliner despite having the seat set all the way back and slightly reclined. Driving over a rise in the road yesterday I actually connected with the roof. The only Subie that I've been in thus far where I am 100% comfortable is the Forrester, but when purchasing a new car recently the Forrester was not what I was looking for. I've opted to live with the height problem for the other benefits of the Baja.

Otherwise, I'm in agreement with the cupholder/e-brake issues. These were reversed on my previous Isuzu Amigo and I liked that layout more. For power, the 2.5L (non-turbo) seems sufficient, more power would be welcome but I didn't want to take the MPG hit (or lack of special offers) of the '04 turbo. I'm stepping down from a 3.2L v6 so I've had to adjust. I've just recently passed the 1000 mile break-in so I'm going to try pushing the 2.5L a bit more. I'm pleased with the rear seat and switchback hatch design, although more "nook 'n' cranny" storage space would have been welcome. The tailgate is heavy but I don't feel it's an issue, rigid locking side supports for the gate as opposed to the installed cables might have been a better idea to make sure that heavy unit doesn't bounce if you're driving around with it down.

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Old 03-08-2004, 01:45 PM   #9
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Pow, you brought up a point - a storage issue. Where do you put a box of tissue paper (center arm rest is already taken) when you got 2 kids on the back with stuff/junk? Since there is no practical covered storage space, I currently have 3 big tupperware boxes with stuff, swapping them per occasions. Like all my bike stuff, kids cloths, etc... That's a pain. Does anyone know of any 1/2 size lockable tool box or something that sits directionally (so my bike can still sit in another half)?
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Old 03-08-2004, 02:17 PM   #10
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Does anyone know of any 1/2 size lockable tool box or something that sits directionally (so my bike can still sit in another half)?
Although I don't know of anything like that, I certainly like the idea. Maybe a box that would anchor to the (few) tie-down hooks and upper trim bolts on one side of the bed. So long as whatever the design is still allows something for tie-downs on that side of the vehicle I think it would be a fine addition. Maybe both driver and passenger side options, thin enough that the full width (or more) of the switchback was still available? I think such lock boxes could still provide ample storage. (brainstorming in hopes that a manufacturer is reading...)

I'm still trying to figure out a way to use the molded sockets that I imagine are for the bike kit and other accessories. I was thinking about cutting a piece of wood to stretch across, but I don't have a way to "lock" it in place. I haven't seen any of the gear that uses these mounts so I don't know what Subaru does to secure in these.

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Old 03-22-2004, 01:15 PM   #11
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While the 2.5L is slow off the start and doesn't have much torque, it is quite able at highway speeds and during passing maneuvers. Going up steep hills is some work, though.

I do, however, have a sizeable gripe with the quality of the front windshield. The glass is extremely thin, and even the smallest pebble manages to chip. After slightly over a year of ownership, I have had 3 bullet-hole size cracks filled, multiple chips, and a hairline crack that traverses the lower length of the windshield. Granted, I do live in an are where this type of road debris is common, but the damage incurred should not be so severe. Especially in a vehicle designed to go off-road.

My only other gripe of note is the seat comfort. The front seats are not very supportive on the lower or the back section. Consequently, long trips in the Baja can be uncomfortable.
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Old 03-24-2004, 09:42 PM   #12
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even though i don't own one.. or regularly drive one.. and when i did drive it i found the power ok.. but i didn't/couldn't push it hard (however in my old legacy it was a let down).. ut i doo feel your concerns because my sentra 1.8 makes 160Hp and BAJA's, legacy's, and outback's make 165Hp.. it just not right
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Old 03-28-2004, 09:26 PM   #13
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Here are a few little things that bug me. The headlights have to be on for the glove box light to come on. Cruse control has to be turned on each time you start the car, that one must be a Japan thing. Where are the other 90 horses on the turbo? Hard to find performance parts.
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Old 03-28-2004, 09:55 PM   #14
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even though i don't own one.. or regularly drive one.. and when i did drive it i found the power ok.. but i didn't/couldn't push it hard (however in my old legacy it was a let down).. ut i doo feel your concerns because my sentra 1.8 makes 160Hp and BAJA's, legacy's, and outback's make 165Hp.. it just not right
your 1.8 sentra does NOT have 160 horses. The 2.5 SE-R has 165. Yours has:

1.8-liter DOHC 16-valve 4-cylinder engine 126 hp @ 6,000 rpm 129 lb-ft of torque @ 2,400 rpm

I think the EJ25 in the OB/legacy/baja has pretty good power for its size.

You got ripped off dude. Who told you that POS has 160hp?
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Old 03-29-2004, 12:52 AM   #15
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I think the EJ25 in the OB/legacy/baja has pretty good power for its size.
Yeah, its most noticeable in the Legacy Sedan. The extra weight of our Bajas cuts into that substantially. But if you want power, you chip in the extra K's for the Sti or an M3.
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Old 09-26-2004, 02:08 PM   #16
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stereo is horrible
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Old 09-26-2004, 10:34 PM   #17
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The key thing I dislike is the lack of headroom. I'm 6'4" and I have lean the seat way back... of course, I grew up driving VW Sciroccos and the like, so folding into wee cars is nothing new. I expected a little more head room to be honest. Not a deal breaker, but I think there could be 1-2" more head room if the seat rails were a touch lower. Perhaps a mod for the future? (Ironically, I test drove a new '05 Legacy with the height adjustable drivers seat, and there isn't anymore head room than in the Baja... or so it seems)

The only other minor annoyances I have are:
-The little cubby door to the left of the steering wheel always pops out when I try to open it.
- Lack of a concealed change holder and standard boost guage
- A little throttle oddness at low revs and low gears
- the lack of a 6th gear for highway cruising, along with a big 1-2 gear ratio jump (or it feels like it) (perhaps a STi swap? Hmmm...)
- Premium gas required (Turbo)
- DRLs
- Strange suite of controls for cruise control

But the car is damned fast for a trucklet... and handles well... especially compared to the VWs I've owned (sofffftt springs, lotsa body roll)... and compared to my last round of trucks/SUVs, this thing rocks from all perspectives (quality, performance, economy, handling, safety, etc.)... Besides, I kind of like the quirks of a FHI-built car...

In the end, I still get a smile every time I drive this thing!
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Old 09-26-2004, 10:52 PM   #18
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how is this car for heel-toe driving? i mean, are the pedals just right like the wrx?
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Old 09-26-2004, 11:06 PM   #19
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I would'nt miss the sun roof,i never use mine.I would rather have the extra head room that the sun roof eats up,that should be an option just like leather is.The same goes for the fixed roof rails,that should be an option also.I think the sun roof is an option on the Baja Sport,now that i think about it.I wish the hood scoop was like the others so you can change the size,instead of a fixed bulge in the hood.And better monotone colors,Bring back Yellow in a monotone.
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Old 09-27-2004, 09:13 AM   #20
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What's wrong with Daytime Running Lights? Even when I had a car that didn't have them, I still turned on my lights whenever I got in the car. It's just safer.
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Old 09-27-2004, 11:10 AM   #21
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You sed it Peloquin. But I have owned subaru's for a few years and really missed the fact that the lights turn off with the ignition, so I can just turn them on and forget them. And I agree, it is just 100% safer to run with the lights on because other people can see you better. I think that I remember reading something somewhere that people that drive with thier lights on, they are 25% less likely to get into an accedent.
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Old 09-27-2004, 12:09 PM   #22
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Yes, the heel-toe situation with the pedals is a problem for me. I'm always lifting and adjusting my right foot. My biggest complaint would be legroom. I could use a couple more inches to stretch out.
Also the lag when my automatic-turbo is downshifting is annoying to me. I would also like a concealed coin tray, too.
Other than that it's great.
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Old 09-27-2004, 03:08 PM   #23
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Thumbs down Just a few things.

Here's another one for the cup holders, that's a pain.
Add on turbo guage blocks clock and temperature guage.
No leather option for the 5spd.

What's the little storage area under the radio supposed to be for? I put a pen in there and had the hardest time getting it out because my hand doesn't quite fit.

I wish reverse gear was a little lower geared.
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Old 09-27-2004, 03:27 PM   #24
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The only issue issue with DRLs I have is the constant headlight flashing I get from idiot drivers who think I have my high beams on... (ironically, they often are driving GM cars that have DRLs too...) And, yes, the headlights are adjusted and work properly...

As far as safety goes.... well... in Cananda and Sweden, they apparently help, where cloudy days are the norm... but in most parts of the US or other more southernly latitudes, I am not so sure they are really that much of a visbility enhancement.

Remember, in America, people even crash into school buses...

Not sure if DRLs can overcome the cluelessness of some drivers...
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Old 09-27-2004, 05:47 PM   #25
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I live in Texas and I can definitely say that cars are more visible with the Daytime Running Lights on. I can always see a car with DRLs earlier, and more clearly than one without, even on a clear day, heck, with the sun down here, especially on a clear day.

Also, as many people as there are that forget to turn their lights on at dusk around here, I really appreciate those DRLs, and I have to say, I've never been flashed for having them myself.

But to keep this on topic, I guess the thing I like least about my baja is, of all things, the sunroof control. My wife's beetle has one control for the sun roof. One control to both pop the sunroof up and roll it back. Seems pretty logical to me, and yet the Baja has two controls. Bugs me because I spend more time fiddling with the controls than actually opening and closing the sunroof. And it be nice if there were vents in the solid cover. I feel like it doesn't keep the car as cool as it could if there were air vents in that thing. Finally, the driver's auto window (hmmm, all my pet peeves are about windows) doesn't go auto up, only auto down.

Pretty petty, I'm happy overall and wouldn't trade it for anything.
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