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Old 03-06-2004, 10:10 PM   #1
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Default who else gets irritated with the hill holder clutch

I have driven manual cars all of my driving life and have never gotten so irritated with a clutch as much as I do the hill holder deal in my FXT. I do agree it is a nice feature but Subaru should have put this thing on a switch. I have killed my Forester from a start more times than I have with all the manual cars I have owned. What I would like is to be able to push a button to engage it when I think I might need it. What do you guys think?
Do you share my frustration as well.
Is there a secret button hidden somewhere to turn this thing off?
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Old 03-06-2004, 11:06 PM   #2
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It really bugged me at first, but I've managed to get used to it in time.
Still, It's not my favorite thing, and I *would* disable it if possible.

Only time it's been "useful" is offroad, and even there I'm not sure the lack of precision in throttle modulation, since to overcome the HH engagement point you need more throttle than if you didn't have it and were "feeling" your way around/over things *and* clamber around offroad is worth it.

Still, in time I've gotten to where I *barely* notice it.

At least, until I jump into my *other* manual, which is blessedly free of any HH "helpfulness"....




Also, FWIW, my new-to-manuals fiancee absolutely *hates* HH, and thinks in trying to "help" it's just more annoying and causes more stalls....
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Old 03-06-2004, 11:50 PM   #3
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I love the hill holder!

Had it on my first subie,missed it on the RS-t, glad its back!


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Old 03-07-2004, 05:55 AM   #4
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Working and driving in SF, I love the hill holder too. At first it took some getting used to. Now I just use the minimal amount of breaking power when I engage my clutch (I let out the clutch while stopped). It releases nicely each time and I've never stalled my Forester because of it. If you ever take yours out, let me know as I want to try to adapt one into my 4Runner.
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Old 03-07-2004, 07:40 AM   #5
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At first I hated it - was way too tight, very annoying in stop & go traffic on mild inclines where the brakes would drag a bit until the clutch was fully out. But after several thousand miles it's loosened up a lot, enough so it holds but releases instantly when I start rolling - seems like it was around the 5k point when things started getting better.
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Old 03-07-2004, 08:35 AM   #6
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I guess mine is still so new. What I truly hate about it is when I stop at a light, I ease of the clutch and rev to about 2k-3k range and it has a mild sling shot effect. What I do like is sitting at a steep incline with others behind me trying to figure out how I can sit there with no brake on. My biggest concern is wearing out the clutch, something I'd rather not do. I guess it will just take me a little more time to get used to it.
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Old 03-07-2004, 12:10 PM   #7
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you can adjust it so it won't work:

http://www.scoobymods.com/forums/sho...&threadid=2746
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Old 03-07-2004, 12:20 PM   #8
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I'm near San Francisco (HILLY!!!!) too. I didn't like the HH feature either and that was one of the reasons I bought an auto trans FXT. I suppose it was something that I didn't WANT to get used to Of particular concern to me was parking on a hill in a tight space. Seemed to me the HH would be a pain with the back and forth of maneuvering into the space....

I DO recall seeing some instructions for changing the sensitivity of this, or disabling it altogether (there is a ball and spring inside). Go to ScoobyMods.com and if it isn't there ask Peaty where you can find the instructions.....

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Old 03-07-2004, 12:39 PM   #9
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I think it is a great feature.
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Old 03-08-2004, 09:59 AM   #10
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Love it! Had it on my 1988 GL Wagon and missed it sooooo much on the Impreza, then fell in love with it again in the XT.

If it really bothers you put the car in neutral, take your foot off the clutch and roll back.

Trust me, if you have a big load in the car and have hills like I do around here, you'll love it even more.

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Old 03-08-2004, 10:05 AM   #11
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Half the time I forget it's there, until I have to back out of a rear downward slope and it hangs up.
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Old 03-08-2004, 11:44 AM   #12
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If you've had the Hill Holder on your subies in the past I think it's something one just get's used to. Comming from another makes manual might be odd as there is a different method to driving a subaru manual transmission for smoothness. (The driving style is unique just like the cars!)
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Old 03-08-2004, 12:42 PM   #13
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I have had my new Forester XS MT for just a few weeks now and am still trying to figure out how to shift smoothly under moderate acceleration. Any suggestions? I have driven manual transmissions for 30+ years (never owned an AT) and have never had this problem before.
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Old 03-09-2004, 05:14 AM   #14
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I've gotten so used to it by now (13k) that occasionally I forget that my Volvo doesn't have it...leads to some interesting moments let me tell you!!!

ps: I appologize now to all drivers in the San Francisco area confronted with the rear of a 1986 Volvo 240 sedan rapidly closing in on your baby. Rest assured I have full insurance if needed!
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Old 03-09-2004, 08:50 PM   #15
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My dealer adjusted it for free in about 5 minutes when I told him it was very annoying. Now, it's barely perceptible, and enages only when I really press the brake hard.
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Old 03-10-2004, 09:43 PM   #16
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That is my plan. Have the dealer do an adjustment when I go in for the first oil change. Hope they don't mind.
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Old 05-01-2004, 09:46 PM   #17
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Just disconnect the damn cable if its that bad.I think its a great idea.Yours might be adjusted to tight and can be fixed with a simple adjustment.
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Old 05-02-2004, 10:13 AM   #18
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I have it on my 87 Loyale. Wouldn't have it any other way.
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Old 05-02-2004, 10:53 AM   #19
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My first post....

The HH in my FXT drives me NUTS. I have gotten to the point where I just put the car in neutral at red lights, and 'reset' it so that I'm basically not using it.
It's not like I never had a Subaru before either... I had a 98 Impreza RS, and we currently have a 91 Loyale. I also have driven a friends OBS and none of those cars ever had the HH to the degree that I'd have called it intrusive. The FXT's HH clutch is just plain annoying. I'd have to say it's the only weak point in an otherwise GREAT car.
Knowing now that it is adjustable makes me a very happy camper. Thanks for posting that link!
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With the exception of the Loyale, none of those cars have a hill holder. The Loyale might have one, depending on options.
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Old 05-02-2004, 04:38 PM   #21
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Since I first started this thread I have had the XT serviced and the shop was kind enough to make the adjustment. Now the hill holder works perfectly. It holds on the hills as it should and takes very little effort to release. The tech who made the adjustment did a perfect job and even made a point to have me test the setting before he put everything back in its place. So there you have it, if you have a frustrating hh clutch just have it adjusted.
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With the exception of the Loyale, none of those cars have a hill holder. The Loyale might have one, depending on options.
Yeah, mine does.
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Old 05-03-2004, 01:44 AM   #23
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Originally posted by randolph-rs
I have driven manual cars all of my driving life and have never gotten so irritated with a clutch as much as I do the hill holder deal in my FXT. I do agree it is a nice feature but Subaru should have put this thing on a switch. I have killed my Forester from a start more times than I have with all the manual cars I have owned. What I would like is to be able to push a button to engage it when I think I might need it. What do you guys think?
Do you share my frustration as well.
Is there a secret button hidden somewhere to turn this thing off?
Exactly my thoughts. In fact I have already scheduled an appointment to adjust the HH and make it disengage once the clutch is engaged.

Peaty, thanks for the link! Could you(or anybody else) please indicate the location of the adjusting nut on this picture so I could make the adjustment by myself and cancel the appointment. Thanks!

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Old 05-03-2004, 02:12 PM   #24
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Originally posted by Aleksey

Peaty, thanks for the link! Could you(or anybody else) please indicate the location of the adjusting nut on this picture so I could make the adjustment by myself and cancel the appointment. Thanks!
Another request for some Peaty pics.

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Old 05-03-2004, 04:51 PM   #25
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I have had my new Forester XS MT for just a few weeks now and am still trying to figure out how to shift smoothly under moderate acceleration. Any suggestions? I have driven manual transmissions for 30+ years (never owned an AT) and have never had this problem before.
i think subaru's in general don't have smooth shifting transmissions... even in automatics you can feel almost every shift
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