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Old 08-02-2000, 09:43 PM   #1
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Post The Focus Threat

Too bad we never get any good stuff

Ford will take on new versions of the Subaru Impreza WRX and Mitsu-bishi Lancer Evo with a hot 310-horsepower Focus developed with Cosworth Racing. Sadly, like the WRX and Evo, the Cosworth Focus will not be for the U.S. market.

Due in European showrooms by late 2001, the Cosworth draws on Ford's World Rally Championship Focus, with a reworked chassis and all-wheel drive. Power comes from a turbocharged version of the 16-valve 2.0-liter four-cylinder Zetec engine, mated to a six-speed manual gearbox





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Old 08-02-2000, 09:54 PM   #2
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can someone answer a question for me?

We can't import street-legal WRX, Skyline, Evo because there are no cars in N.A. with such names. The Ford Focus (US) and Ford Focus Cosworth have practically the same name. Does that mean we would be able to bring Cosworths over as street legal cars?

Well, I guess you'll say no because afterall WRX's full name is Subaru Impreza WRX. dammit!
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Old 08-02-2000, 09:59 PM   #3
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Thats a nice looking car. I wonder if you could do the AWD swap into a current Focus? Or better yet, even import one. I'd buy one.
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Old 08-02-2000, 10:08 PM   #4
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Importing has nothing to do with the fact that we don't have something named an Evo, WRX, or whatever here. If that were the case WRX's, Cosworth's and EVO's would be legal here because we do have Impreza's, Focus's, and Mirage's. They can't be imported because they haven't been crash tested, and they don't meet emissions.
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Old 08-02-2000, 10:11 PM   #5
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What boggles my mind is that usually car companies give their home country the best toys, but WTF is wrong with Ford?!?!?!?! Bean counting bastards!
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Old 08-02-2000, 10:24 PM   #6
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ARRRRGH idiots. Why can't they at least bring some over here to test the waters? I'm sure it would be a winner, as it would blow away most everything on the road. The day we see a "Europe market only Camaro Special Edition" instead of a Cosworth Focus will be our revenge.
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Old 08-02-2000, 10:28 PM   #7
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OK I'll admit it I like the Cosworth Focus and the Ford Puma. Yet Ford has decided not to grace the US with them. I wonder if they will make it to the Japanese market? Oh well at least the US has cheaper gas.
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Old 08-02-2000, 10:36 PM   #8
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Nice! Almost looks like a Seat. I'm sure the Ford Cosworth is manufactured in Europe, not here... Hence, we won't have that version.
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Old 08-02-2000, 10:43 PM   #9
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You actually can get a Skyline imported here. There's a company in So-Cal that went through all the crash testing to get legal. It's a LHD though. The company is Motorex. The down side is a new Skyline GTR VSPEC will run you about 90k.
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Old 08-02-2000, 11:04 PM   #10
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Simple marketing. Ford doesn't sell the Mustang in the same places it sells the Cossie. Why would/How could Ford sell a car with the Entry-level image of the Focus that could simply destroy the Cobra? There aren't enough Cobra Rs to even press the point, plus they're really expensive. They'd be spending a lot of money to pit their own products against one another. I know that SVT Cobra buyers and Cossie buyers hardly overlap, but Ford is more worried about product overlap. Until the Mustang goes away (no tears shed here) the Cossie will be an "over there" kind of thing. plus the whole Rally tie-in with escort/Cossie/Focus over the years is really the reason the car exists anyway. Basicaly for the WRC fan/Euro market. Until Americans can tell Ari Vatanen from Hannu Mikkola from Juha Kankkunen - Ford will assume that a 25k Focus would be an inside joke at best - and they'd probably be right. Besides, the raddest Ford in the world is still a crap Ford. The Cossie would be great to drive, until the AC breaks.
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Old 08-02-2000, 11:19 PM   #11
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I would absolutely kill to have one of those here in the U.S. I know I would gladly pay the bill to have it.

Is the Cosworth not emissions legal here or something?

And Fords air conditioning units work pretty well! Its everything else you have to worry about.

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Old 08-02-2000, 11:19 PM   #12
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Wow... It's strange how fugly the base Focus looks, but how sweet the Cosworth appears.

But, I have to make this observation. It's my perception that Ford is in the lead as far as the "World car" thing goes. The Zetec engine in that Cosworth is the same Zetec that we get here in the states. Given that, I would think that if the Impreza Turbo sells well, that we will see the Cosworth Focus in Ford showrooms in very short order.
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Old 08-03-2000, 12:08 AM   #13
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I believe that another major part against bringing the wrx cossie evo etc. to the US is the fact that in america, we are alot more image concious and marque concious...

What i mean is paying 45k for a 22b or a bmw m3, the average american will still look at as buying a 45k cheap compact car, versus buying a 45k luxury import car with the bmw name... even for the lower wrx models at @25k alot of people would see it as a subaru, (read: cheap strange car)
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Old 08-03-2000, 12:56 AM   #14
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Image is partly why some cars don't get brought to the US, or are changed for the US(ie, bug eyed integra). Because of the dwindling sales of ever more expensive japanese cars through the 90's we don't have many japanese "sports" cars now. The WRX specifically hasn't been brought here because of emissions. I read that the reason they plan to bring it now is because of new technology in the catalyst that allows it to pass emissions. Hopefully that will also allow the US WRX to have the same HP figures as the WRX the rest of the world gets and not slightly less because of emissions. So long story short, emissions and crash testing is specifically why some cars can't be brought here, and image is why some cars aren't made to pass those tests.
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Old 08-03-2000, 01:13 AM   #15
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Shin RS,

For a moment I thought you were talking about my SVX LSI. Then again that was $33,000 for a "strange" Subaru. "33k for a SUBARU. You must be kidding me" I don't know how many times i've heard that one. I still hear it when people asked me how much it was when new. If Subaru had the advertising team and budget they have now the SVX could have done wonders for their image but because of that lack of knowledge about the "greatness" of the SVX I got mine for one sweeeeeet deal. Subaru had to of taken a huge loss on the SVX so I wouldn't expect them to bring over another expensive Subaru anytime soon

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Old 08-03-2000, 06:11 AM   #16
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I actually liked the SVX and would have purchased one in a heartbeat were it not for one fatal flaw. An AUTOMATIC?!?!! I would NEVER buy an automatic sportscar. Half the pleasure of driving a sportcar is the manual process of doing the work yourself...
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Old 08-03-2000, 06:22 AM   #17
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Hmm...

Now let me think...

Should I buy the new Focus Cosworth.. another STI.. or maybe an Evo.... hmmmm

I'm not sure...

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Old 08-03-2000, 06:37 AM   #18
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Man, that is sweet!!



But don't worry, Ford didn't forget about the U.S folks either!
We will get an even bigger SUV with 6 wheels and 8 doors, garanteed to trample any pesky Focus that dares to comes near you, 300 Hp or not!

"(place your longest and most favorate curse here!!)"

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Old 08-03-2000, 06:39 AM   #19
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looks like a VW Corrado on crack
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Old 08-03-2000, 08:06 AM   #20
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Jay_UK,

Yeah..rub it in. At least we have.....uh....the Ford Pinto! You'll never get a Ford Pinto in the UK! It's an explosive car! But only when it's rear ended!

Funny how you guys don't have the Mitsubishi Eclipse. Then again, you guys do get the EVO.
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Old 08-03-2000, 08:54 AM   #21
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Focus vs. Mustang.....
Friends of mine work at Fords european head office in Cologne, Germany.
About three years ago they brought in a Mustang GT (or was it a Cobra?). They wanted to see whether or not there was a market for it in Europe. After the engineers and test drivers had taken it onto the Autobahn for a good two hours, they came back sweating buckets.
Their verdict: Take that piece of **** back to the US.
The Mustang, like the Camaro, is great in a straight line. With the speedlimits we have here, it's all about show anyway. Why bother investing in a sophisticated suspension when you're not allowed to go faster than 100km/h?

They would not be able to sell the Mustang in Germany. As there is no speedlimit, unlike here, a car has to be a complete package. If it can go 200km/h or more, the suspension had better be able to take it. Have you ever driven a 5 series BMW at high speed? They cruise comfortably at 215km/h, no fuss, and in a perfectly straight line. (...unlike the Taurus my wife has for a company car. Once that passes 120km/h it's all over the road.)

So that's one reason why they're not selling the Mustang there. You probably wouldn't be able to find an insurance willing to take you. Another, very obvious reason is the cost of gas.
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Old 08-03-2000, 09:01 AM   #22
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It looks like a remote controlled car...I swear I've seen an R/C that looks just like that bopping along the kitchen floor hehe! :-D
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Old 08-03-2000, 09:05 AM   #23
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For one thing, Germany does have a speed limit. Parts of the Autobahn do not, but most parts do. Can you imagine the gas that 302 would eat doign 200km/h? No thanks, gimme a turbo 4 cyl......
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Old 08-03-2000, 09:11 AM   #24
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Aren't we suppose to get an SVT version of the focus?

Also wasn't the SVT contour out in the US, before Europe got a high performance Mondeo (not 100% certain about this). The sale's of the contour SVT weren't that good. Perhaps that is one of the reason Ford doesn't bring over high performance compacts from Europe. This may also have something to do with Japanese manufactures not bringing over thier highest performance 4 door compacts since they saw that the Fords didn't sell that well.

Just my .02
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Old 08-03-2000, 10:29 AM   #25
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Does this magazine have a website? Is there anywhere else on the Internet I can find information on this car? Thanks.
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