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Old 08-17-2000, 09:21 PM   #1
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Post How can I have a smoother transmission?

Curious, I haven't really had any experience with the aftermarket short shifters, but I just drove a hybrid civic with a type R engine and transmission - super smooth transmission, very precise and crisp. Then today I drove a Celica GTS 6-speed, again, very smooth and much like the honda, crisp and very precise.

Then I get into my car- notchy first gear, very notchy second gear, ok but somewhat crunchy 3rd gear, more or less tolerable 4th gear and ok if a bit long-in-throw 5th.

What is out there that would really improve shifter feel/response/precision and get it up more to the level of the honda or toyota manuals? Syms or STI shortshifter? Kartboy kit? I feel if I could improve the transmission it would be a much more pleasurable ride overall. please help!
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Old 08-17-2000, 09:24 PM   #2
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I thought the 2000 models improved alot over the previous years. Anyways, I was on an SiR and I find it's gearshift to be vague tho alot easier to move around. Maybe I am used to my GGR shortshifter....
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Old 08-17-2000, 09:28 PM   #3
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Alwin, how do you find it? (the GGR) smoother and less notchy than stock? I'm told the same, that the 2000's are better, but damn, the honda and toyota's manual felt sooo much smoother and better. I'm not the only one to think so, my dad says by comparison to his '83 accord, my shifter functions like crap! My 2000 modern manual transmission is not even better than a 1983 honda manual!
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Old 08-17-2000, 11:08 PM   #4
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jaimak you just described my shifter perfectly. yuck I thought mine was ****ed up. sometimes I cant get it into first and I have use second! let me add a big "mee too" to his question.
Is a whole new linkage necessary?

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Old 08-17-2000, 11:44 PM   #5
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I agree that this transmission is very notchy compared to other cars...but lets say if you compare it to a civic...the civic is very smooth...much smoother than the impreza...that I like a lot...what I don't like about the smoothness is that you can not feel the gears engage...I guess thats where its NON-notchy....I like the impreza transmission in that you can feel the gears engage when your shifting...the one car that has an awesome transmission where its super smooth and you can feel the gears engage...hahaha..the new Beamers..hahahahahaha...but then again..thats a 60 grand car...hehe (60 grand Canadian)
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Old 08-18-2000, 04:06 AM   #6
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So, let's say you're bombing down that special stage in your new Prodrive-prepared Group N Impreza. You come to this hairpin and need to downshift. Which shifter feel would you rather have, that of a Civic or the notchiness of our tranny? Just being a smartarse... Anywho... I kinda like our shifter feel, myself. As for making it smoother, I don't really think that an aftermarket lever and/or bushings will help much. I know that my Kartboy shifter doesn't make it any less notchy (but I still love the lever, it just feels right).
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Old 08-18-2000, 05:10 AM   #7
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We had this same thread on the Maxima board. What several people did was change the fluid to a full synthetic like redline or Mobil 1. That seemed to fix the problem.If your car has less than 2 -3k on it, you may want to wait a little while. Search the UK board for more info. They would have seen it all by now.

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Old 08-18-2000, 05:31 AM   #8
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I would be cautious about swapping over to full synth tranny oil. I've heard of quite a few people on this board that made things worse by switching to synthetic. This is why I haven't done it. I'm a BIG believer in the benefits of synthetic motor oil, ATF,etc., but I've been warned not to put it in my RS's manual tranny.


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Old 08-18-2000, 07:00 AM   #9
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Actually Lovejoy, I've been told the same thing, switch to synthetic tranny oil to make it smoother. I may try this.
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Old 08-18-2000, 07:18 AM   #10
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Just make sure you ask the guys that have done the switch in their RS's first. I think Trey Cobb posted something on this subject a while back. He said that the synchros needed friction to work properly and synthetic could cause worse grinding. The service manager at my dealer also advised against it since Adam Bloom had a major problem with the tranny in his '99 after switching. Do a search on the the subject.

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Old 08-18-2000, 07:23 AM   #11
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put some sawdust in the tranny

thats what they used to do in my friends used car dealership
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Old 08-18-2000, 08:04 AM   #12
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James, for best shifter feel nothing beats a Miata in this price range! See my post at the Toronto board.
No, my GGR is not anymore smoother or loose as your RS. It's just shorter and more crisp. I like the feel of knowing that you slide into the gear "schick schnick" feel.
I run Redline synth for my tranny. my rear diff is NS (non slip). That's the story. You get into problems when you put the regular synth on your rear diff. it will cause problem. A while alot off pl got this problem. You need NS for regular rear diff. However you have LSD on your MY00 so I dunno how that works. Maybe you can use regular Redline fluids. Anyways I got mine done at a Redline distribution centre at Concorde. He's a good guy. Takes alot of time though cus he's a thorough man and he took the time to check which fluids to put inot my car and not just open up a bottle of Redline and pour it in. I find the synthetic tranny fluid does help with shifting but the improvements come during winter time when the regular fluid would turn into jello thus making your first coupla shifts very hard! Not the synthetics tho.
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Old 08-18-2000, 08:07 AM   #13
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gambit: those miatas tranny's are damn nice, huh? what about 5th gear, little messed up for my liking, it seems to prevent any spirited shifts into there. oh well
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Old 08-18-2000, 08:08 AM   #14
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Gambit- this is encouraging to hear. I would definitely like the superior lubrication and cold weather characteristics of the synthetic but because of what I've heard I was afraid to put it in. I'll have to do some more research.
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Old 08-18-2000, 08:47 AM   #15
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I would be cautious about swapping over to full synth tranny oil. I've heard of quite a few people on this board that made things worse by switching to synthetic. This is why I haven't done it. I'm a BIG believer in the benefits of synthetic motor oil, ATF,etc., but I've been warned not to put it in my RS's manual tranny.
I put Redline 75W-90NS in the tranny, and I'm happy with it. Synchros work better (still not great though). No problems for me...

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Old 08-18-2000, 09:10 AM   #16
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For what it's worth, I wrote up a little tech article about gear oils. I've been meaning to do it for some time now but I figured now's as good a time as any.
http://www.cobbtuning.com/tech/gearoil

Please let me know what errors any of you find, I wrote it rather quickly.

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Old 08-18-2000, 09:36 AM   #17
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ok, have any of you driven a DSM? guys, i love my shifter in my MY00 RS compared to my 1992 Eagle Talon TSI, much easier than the bloody mess in a DSM. but the subaru too could be better.
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Old 08-18-2000, 10:19 AM   #18
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Jgard18 : yes them Miata shifters are really amazing. Reminds me of those arcade racing game shifters! I like the fact how it is build around the driver. Everything! the shifter is right where you want it. You can rest your arm at the centre console nicely too. Same with the RX-7s actually.
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Old 08-18-2000, 10:49 AM   #19
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I believe Garrick (RidinLow) has been using synthetic fluid for some time now.
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