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Old 05-10-2000, 08:21 PM   #1
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Post Impreza 2.5RS vs. New Eclipse GT

How do they fare? Drag Racing? Road racing?

what are the specs on the Eclipse GT?
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Old 05-10-2000, 08:24 PM   #2
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Sorry, I don't have time to look up specs, but I can tell you this: Imprezas sure do look better!!! And have much better traction.
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Old 05-10-2000, 08:52 PM   #3
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The Eclipse GT is crap. If you're gonna buy a car in that class(V6 FWD), there are so many nicer cars, most for less money(Cougar, Solara(which you can get w/a factory warrantied supercharger), Maxima, Jetta VR6.
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Old 05-10-2000, 08:58 PM   #4
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I've driven the Solara, POS in my opinion, I'd take the Nissan, very underated, or the VR6.
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Old 05-10-2000, 08:58 PM   #5
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y2k4door, all of those cars you recommended are great except the cougar, which blows. You don't want one...
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Old 05-10-2000, 09:07 PM   #6
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Well, i got good news and bad news. In a straight line, the new eclipse will murder the RS. but, in the twisties and for overall agressive looks, nothing beats a RS.
As per the specs. Road and Track has:
2000 eclipse. 0-60 7.1 sec
qtr mi. 15.4 sec
top spd 140 mph

As for my pick. I'd wait for the turbo impreza, or more realistically, I'd get a maxima if i had a family and still wanted to have fun on the weekends.

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Old 05-11-2000, 05:09 AM   #7
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Went out test driving some cars yesterday. Test drove a fully loaded Honda Accord Coupe. The styling wasn't bad for Honda. The interior, well, it was damned nice. I sat down and thought the cockpit is set up for a driver's car. That was last time I thought about the car that way.

It was an automatic, (the only way a V6 Honda Accord comes) and I felt the acceleration was pathetic. Not enough motivation for the claimed amount of horsepower. The ride was soft and left you feeling disconnected from the road. During hard cornering the car yawed, slipped, and tripped over itself. The sidewalls were scrubbed about halfway from the tread to the rim.

Braking was sufficient, but the pedal was soft. One would think the car should stop with more authority. It was not a driver's car. Or should I say it was the average American driver's car.

Now the Jetta we drove - that was fun. Those little VR6s are a blast to romp around in. I'm still waiting to test a 1.8 liter turbo.

Myself, I could be happy if my wife owned a Jetta.

We didn't even drive the Eclipses.... *yuck*
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Old 05-11-2000, 07:42 AM   #8
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Now, I have a somewhat modified 1999 2.5RS (no turbo or anything), but I have raced the Eclipse GT on a straight section of two-lane road off a light and won by about a carlength and a half. That Eclipse doesn't impress me much. It's not fast, and it looks REALLY ugly! And it seems like every one I encounter on the road wants to race. And get beaten!

Now, if the Eclipse GT had a good driver, the outcome could be in their favor. But I'm still waiting for that to happen!
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Old 05-11-2000, 08:07 AM   #9
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Those Eclipse stats sound more like the '99 GSX stats. I know the '99 GSX is half a second faster than the new GT in the quarter, and I dont think the '99 GSX went 14.9 stock.

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Old 05-11-2000, 08:12 AM   #10
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Anyone know how close the eclipse is to the sebring/avenger? I have a feeling they are the same platform w/different body and interior? Thoughts?

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Old 05-11-2000, 09:34 AM   #11
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Eclipse is much faster. It's in a different class than the Impreza. Its times are like an Integra Type R. 0-60 in like 6.5 and 1/4 mile in 14.9 or so. Speed limiter at 137 though, otherwise it would do around 150. The previous generation GST and GSX with the turbo 4 were even faster than the current GT.
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Old 05-11-2000, 09:37 AM   #12
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[quote]Now the Jetta we drove - that was fun. Those little VR6s are a blast to romp around in. I'm still waiting to test a 1.8 liter turbo.[quote]

The VR6 is faster than a 1.8T.
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Old 05-11-2000, 09:55 AM   #13
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Hehe! Eclipse versus an Integra TypeR! Let's be realistic here... I have a close friend that I hang out with regularly who owns a 2000 Integra TypeR. It is a very fast and stable car, easily out-accelerating anything we have yet put it up against off the line (including the 1999 2.5RS, which I own, and another friend's 1999 Civic Si). And that includes any Eclipse, several of which have ignorantly decided to try to race my friend when I have been riding in the car (all of which were modified in some way or another - Eclipses are very popular riceboy cars where I live). And every time, no matter what the conditions, the TypeR *spanks* the h3ll out of the Eclipse. And when it comes to turns, the Eclipse is already so far back they tend to give up. Speed is relative, but when compared to an ITR, the Eclipse is really just not a fast car.

I believe that a slightly-modified 2.5RS (with the necesseties - intake and Apex S-AFC) is around the level of the Eclipse GT stock. After all, as far as power mods, all I have is the Minnam intake, Apex S-AFC, and Dunk exhaust. And I have beaten the Eclipse GT in a very straightforward, off-the-line race. Once again, driver has a lot to do with it, but the Eclipse really isn't that much faster of a car than the Impreza 2.5RS. At least, that's my opinion on the subject.
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Old 05-11-2000, 11:09 AM   #14
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thanks for the responses guys!!!!!

reason why I was asking was not because I was considering purchasing one, its just that ther is this one that rolls around town...all he has is an Injen intake and he thinks he is the $hit. oh yeah he has a pretty windshield banner also!

i have a 2000 RS with an ACT clutch, STi shift kit, Remus exhaust, and some minor suspension mods (strut bar,20mm sway,H&R springs). Just wanted to know if I could hang before I flexed my muscles!!!!
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Old 05-11-2000, 11:11 AM   #15
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It's kinda funny how people are continuing to rice out the new Eclipse since it's more of a Accordish boulevard cruiser instead of a turbocharged pocket rocket. But then again, I guess people rice out Accords a lot too...

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Old 05-11-2000, 11:18 AM   #16
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A first generation Eclipse GSX is just as fast if not faster than a Type R in a straight line. Maybe not according to magazine testers, but that's because magazine testers dont know how to launch AWD cars. I know this cause Ive had 2 1G DSM's and my friend has a '97 Type R. A stock 1G DSM will run the 1/4 in about 15.2, a Type R will not. And 0-60, the Eclipse will clearly be faster due to traction. The Type R's are fast, but try and launch one of those things. Traction is a big issue. And there's not a chance in hell that the new Eclipse GT does 0-60 in 6.5 seconds. The '99 Eclipse GSX's are faster, and they dont even do it that fast. I dont know where you're getting those numbers from bryanw, but they're off.
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Old 05-11-2000, 11:27 AM   #17
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Eclipse versus an Integra TypeR! Let's be realistic here...
You have no idea what you're talking about. The GSX and GST were faster than an Integra Type R in every category except top speed (because of the speed limiter). You must think the Type R is a lot faster than it really is. We're not talking about base-model 140 or 155hp Eclipses here. We're talking turbo-charged 205-210 hp. You need to get out and actually drive these cars a little more and read about them before you pass on the comments that you've heard from your riceboy friends.
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And there's not a chance in hell that the new Eclipse GT does 0-60 in 6.5 seconds. The '99 Eclipse GSX's are faster, and they dont even do it that fast.
The GT is rated at 205 hp and is 150lbs lighter than the GSX at 210 hp. I've seen published number for the GSX 0-60 at everything from 5.9 to 6.9. The GT 0-60 numbers I've seen are 6.1 to 7.5. Most are saying around 6.5 for the GSX and 6.7 for the GT.
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Alex: wait for a nice summer shower day, and take his DSM arse out man!

ps> we still on for Saturday right?
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Old 05-11-2000, 05:12 PM   #20
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"A stock 1G DSM will run the 1/4 in about 15.2, a Type R will not."

Yeah, you're right. A stock ITR will run it in 14.8



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Old 05-11-2000, 09:07 PM   #21
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(Quote) The VR6 is faster than a 1.8T.

This is true, but the 1.8 can be massaged easily. Supposedly HP can be bumped from 150 to 180 with just a chip upgrade.
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Old 05-11-2000, 09:12 PM   #22
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Interesting. I just had some fun with a Eclipse GT V6 last night. We were kinda messin around on the road, goin kinda fast (maybe 60 in a 45), I was playin with my new Stromung, and we both came up to a light and stopped. Well when the light changed, I took off and he musta had a bad launch cause he kinda bogged. I had him all the way up to 65 or so, but he was definitely closing. Then he broke and made a turn. So given a better driver, they are faster.

But nothing compared to the "Civic Type R" that I saw today! I didn't even give him the satisfaction.

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Old 05-11-2000, 09:29 PM   #23
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A stock Type R will not run 14.8. My friend had a Mugen exhaust, header and ECU in his and he only could manage a 14.7. In fact, didnt SCC only get a 15.2 out of the stock Type R? It might run 14.8 on slicks in otherwise stock form. I can believe that. And my friend is a hell of a driver too. So it's not his driving at fault. He won 2 different classes in last year's auto-x season(his first full year of auto-x!) and was voted rookie of the year of the New England Hillclimb Association.
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Old 05-12-2000, 12:00 AM   #24
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"A stock Type R will not run 14.8."

You can take that up with Road & Track who ran a stock 2000 ITR through the 1/4 mi in 14.8 seconds. It was two issues ago I think (Integra Type-R vs Celica GT-S article).

[edit] make that Motor Trend, not Road & Track.

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Old 05-12-2000, 12:08 AM   #25
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Hey pooh!!!!

of course we are on for this saturday!!!!
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