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Old 05-29-2000, 07:22 PM   #1
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Post '00 2.5RS 4-dr vs. '00 Integra GS-R 4-dr--What to buy???

I had a pretty bad acccident in my GS-R coupe a little while back, and as a result...it's totalled. I need a new car now of course...so I've narrowed my choices down to these two.

I asked the same thing on the Honda-Acura Integra forum...so Im going to try to combine the two subjective sides to come out with the winner. Any advice would be recommended...but as I see it:

-The GS-R is older looking
-it's got more power...faster stock
-corners harder, although not as *fun*
-more aftermarket
-probably more reliable + better warranty
-costs more

-the impreza's got more torque...would be faster off the line
-newer design...looks-wise
-less common on the street
-AWD!!!
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Old 05-29-2000, 07:55 PM   #2
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since i first started being into imports and cars in general on a serious level, ive been a honda enthusiast, and i can honestly say im gettin increasingly disappointed and sick with the H/A line nowadays. with the exception of the s2000, i havent seen a single risk-taking vehicle for the honda line in a while... sure, they're all moderately nimble and extremely reliable, the new CL-S is also just a phat pimpmobile, but for the price i think honda should stop using such 10-year old technology in their lower-priced cars... i love vtec and i love revving high, but damn... from the inside out hondas just feel too old nowadays... it jus got so repetitive with anything short of an nsx. the integra is a nice car, but is that all you want? the impreza offers a lil bit more individuality and is relatively unknown (albeit increasingly popular) with other imports, as well as the increased fun factor... besides that, the rumors that the teg is gonna be wiped out in the coming model years should shy you away from it. the teg will almost certainly be more reliable than the subaru

but i honestly think that the looks of BOTH cars are getting really old, the teg's look is going on 6 years now, and the the impreza for what, 7?? that post about someone mistaking an RS for a dodge shadow (the side profile is all too similar) really put it into perspective, both vehicles really need a SERIOUS makeover. if you put a nice hood scoop/vents + a TASTEFUL spoiler on a honda coupe, itd look a lot newer and less conservative too without being a riceboy, but... well, i guess after all my rambling i say wait for the new sheetmetal... hehe

man.. sorry for the big rant, like i said i still think honda's a fantastic car company here in the u.s... but if you're looking for a competitive street import then i wouldn't go back to them anymore, nowadays everyone else is jus rising up above the bar... just look at the japan domestic market as an example... hondas can barely compete over there, with all the RX-7's, supras, and altezzas runnin around... man, i miss Soichiro

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Old 05-29-2000, 08:26 PM   #3
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I'm not a fan of the GS-R for all the reasons already stated, but another reason i'd pick the RS is so that you don't get so DUMB people saying y didn't you get the type R. The RS is the top of line scooby here. The number RS's out there are a lot less than any other car really. Its y i picked the RS over the GS-R, Celica GT, Eclipse, and a bunch of other lesser cars.

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Old 05-29-2000, 08:33 PM   #4
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Get yourself a nice little GTI VR6, this car will put both of the other ones in there places....
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Old 05-29-2000, 08:36 PM   #5
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I should mention that the RS's were keeping up quite nicely with the Integras at last weekend's PPIR autocross. There was a GSR whose best lap was 0.5 seconds slower than Will Sweat's RS, and the only type-R was running similar times to the scooby.

I posted an article at www.ImprezaRS.com on the "subenews" page.

I was very imprezzed with what the RS's could do, and they took several top 10 spots in the StreetTouring class. I let an instructor drive my car with me in it, and he was at least 2 seconds faster than me! Looks like I have some practicing to do...

Moral of the story is it aint the car, it's the driver that makes it fast. Get the RS.

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Old 05-29-2000, 08:40 PM   #6
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Hey Hucker, is that like the 3rd post were you've mentioned a VR6?

I'll say, they are quick, but after driving a GTI vR6 and a golf turbo, they handle kind of loosely. Center of gravity is too high and it feels tipsy.

Mind you, the golf turbo is a few hundred bucks from being 200 hp, but last time I checked insurance on a golf GTI (not sure on the turbo) was double what it is on my Impreza.

If you're going to choose, I'd go either with a Celica GTS, for great out of the box performance, or the RS, which is much more comfortable as a daily driver and has great responsiveness to tuning, and ofcourse AWD and cheaper!
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Old 05-29-2000, 09:28 PM   #7
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My opinion is that you can get more power with the RS thru aftermarket, but it's almost impossible to convert a GSR to AWD. Stock they are neck-to-neck, but AWD is what I see the biggest advantage - you just don't convert any FWD to AWD by flippin' a switch. Depends on your preference, RWD might be more fun, but there aren't many good RWD import in that price range.
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Old 05-29-2000, 09:59 PM   #8
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I should mention that the RS's were keeping up quite nicely with the Integras at last weekend's PPIR autocross. There was a GSR whose best lap was 0.5 seconds slower than Will Sweat's RS, and the only type-R was running similar times to the scooby.

It's ALL about the driver. Believe me, the RS is easier to drive fast than a Type-R. However, you will not be able to keep up with one that is driven properly unless your Impreza is seriously modified -- and I mean for power AND handling.

Anyway...

Get the RS. It's a better car off the showroom floor than the GS-R in many ways, which is the correct car out of the Integra line-up to compare it against. Really, you won't be disappointed. As for reliability, the RS engine is great; there is not a lot of reason for you to be concerned, and anybody who cites Subaru for dodgy reliability really doesn't know what they're talking about.

The GS-R interior is put together slightly better than the RS, but the Impreza mechanicals are very solid. Both of these cars are based on relatively low-cost economy platforms -- this is what you're buying, so have no delusions of luxury or expensive trim.

Both the Integra and Impreza will be completely redesigned within the next year, so take your pick .

As for aftermarket. What do you want? Suspension? Engine? Interior? Exterior? The aftermarket for the RS is amazing in the sense that it's ALL there and most of the connections you will find through this site won't try telling you their exhaust is going to give you 20hp to the wheels.

If it were a choice between the RS and the Type-R, I'd say get the Type-R ... but that's another story altogether

Just another opinion (from an owner of both).

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Old 05-30-2000, 08:28 AM   #9
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Yeah, I'm quite a fan of the VR6 especially in the Corrado models. I didn't know that the insurance would be double that of the Impreza, sheesh! thats insane. The GTI is a bit small and would be crappy for anymore than 4 people. Hrmmm GSR or RS, well if your looking to making this thing into a racing machine, I'd grab the GSR *just* for the fact that the aftermarket is huge. But bone stock, the Impreza, even though it is a bit slower, will probably be the best overall choice. Sorry got getting off topic earlier, when people want new cars, I like to inform them on all there choices

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Old 05-30-2000, 08:46 AM   #10
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My choice, the RS. It's just to fun to drive. Plus AWD rocks, I can't belive I drove without it. As far as reliability goes, Subaru is great, there are a few members here who have eclipsed the 200k mark and their car's are still driving. My first car was an 88 Subaru GL, it's got 150k+ mi and is still on the road.

Lastly, my biggest reason to get an RS. You can do 4 wheel donuts in the grass. That's alot of fun, untill you get yelled at. I know from experience.

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Old 05-30-2000, 08:54 AM   #11
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get the impreza
cause if you read comnusmer reports the impreza is a very very reliable car.
and three other reasons
GOT AWD?
GOT SCOOPS?
GOT TRUNK MONKEYS?
nuff said!
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Old 05-30-2000, 08:56 AM   #12
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I had this exact choice (GSR/RS) about a month ago and actually ended up with a used 99.5 VW GTI VR6 as it was 17000$.(the guy wanted to get a Vette).

After numerous test drives of the GSR and RS I would have to say the RS was the clear winner. Better seating position IMO, more driveable engine(torque), AWD, very cool looking, and not everyone has one. The GSR just doesn't do anything until you rev the heck out of it. It got very old very quickly. This and the complete lack of interior space were a bummer. And EVERYONE seems to have integras. Granted they are not all GSR's but the car still has no individuality.

I am kind of sorry that I didn't get the RS as it was alot of fun to drive but the VR6 is mucho fun as well. Lets just say that getting out into the flow of traffic is no problem.

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Old 05-30-2000, 10:26 AM   #13
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Jaimak : seriously, these guys are already talking about modding the potential cars. Assuming that's the case, then I wouldn't be too worried about the Golf's soft suspension. Nothing that a quick Koni/Bilstein setup won't cure. Then you are now blessed with a very smooth revving VR6 that out torques and out powers 2 of these cars. Don't like the vr6? take the 1.8T and pretty much any tom dick or harry can put a $500 ABT chip in it and do the usual breathing/farting mods which ppl will with the rs or gsr anyways and you get over 200hp on tap. torque is at 230lb. So there, a lighter front end thanks to the smaller 1.8l engine = better handling GTi.
Actually Golfs are quite comfortable with 4 ppl in it. Sure better than a GSR. And you have some nice German quality interior which both of the 2 cars haven't achieve.
If you been to any AutoX in your region, you will see alot more ppl pitting their old Golfs or Rabbits and apparently they do pretty good considering the cost of those cars. Thanks to a smaller wheelbase I guess.
Mind you I didn' want to mention AWD as it would instantly nullify the GSR as well.

Maybe Hucker's approach was a bit out of place. But he at least presented a viable alternative.
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Old 05-30-2000, 10:38 AM   #14
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Buy the RS.
If you get a Corrado your friends will laugh at you. We should not let this happen.
I don't know how many times we go through this. It seems to me that the world has accepted FWD and slow exceleration; not to mention driving in the rain.

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Old 05-30-2000, 11:46 AM   #15
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Why exactly would your friends laugh at you if you bought a Corrado? They will absolutely blow the doors off of any NA Impreza I have heard of.

You may be right on the AWD statement but they are definently not slow.
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Old 05-30-2000, 11:59 AM   #16
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Laugh? at the site of the Corrado? hehe I think the laughing would turn into crying after all you see is the Corrado's backend But this isn't a Corrado vs RS thread, everyone has there own opinion...RS vs GSR?? Get the RS....

Oh yeah, BryanH, stock VR6 Corrado's will hit 147MPH in stock form. With some mods, they will easily hit 160MPH+ Now thats a fast car....

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Old 05-30-2000, 01:30 PM   #17
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Gambit, yeah the spoiler comes up at 80km/h, it really doesn't "come up" only the back of it does, but it still rocks. VR6's are notorious for blowing head gaskets, thats why they are very expensive to maintain and repair. VW gets you on parts becos they are "import". But a done up Corrado, is put into a class all its own, nothing compares to it. Now if only Ford would stop using the Corrado as a design cue for the Focus......

Anyone else notice the similarties????
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Old 05-30-2000, 02:02 PM   #18
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I have to admit though, if I could get a second car I'd get a Golf Turbo. Full loaded they are about $1K less than an RS, (pricing from the VW website). Plus I love hatchbacks and the golf's styling.

still don't like the handling compared to an RS.
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Old 05-30-2000, 06:58 PM   #19
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Thanks for all the advice guys!

I love the looks of the GTI. There are two reasons why I didn't list it. One is handling and the other is reliability. But, I think I must consider one yet again, because like someone said, there's always the aftermarket to improve the handling. My main concern with a GTI VR6 or 1.8T would be reliability. They come with a three year warranty, so assuming I don't modify the engine, I am coverered then right?

I think I'll rule the Integra out because it's sort of like...been there done that. I got my '96 GS-R last summer, and was getting kind og board of it. Don't get me wrong, it was a blast ti drive, but I needed something more drivable (i.e--you don't have to rev it up to 6,000 RPMs to feel like you're going fast).

I guess it's down to the RS and the GTI.

INSURANCE is a big thing for me now. Two speeding tickets and an at-fault accident (I'm a great driver, honest!) do not look good to the insurance company...and I'm going to pay for it in the long run. I figured I could save a decent amount if I got the 4-dr RS over the 2-dr. I still need to consider the GTI though.

SORRY FOR RAMBLING!
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BTW, at this weekends auto-x, the fastest RS was 2 seconds slower than the VW Corrado that was running there. Verrrry fast...

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BTW, the power train warranty on the GTI is 10 years 100000 miles. This would cover a head gasket, or just about anything else major.

And as for the reliability issue, I know an awful lot of people with 100000 plus miles on there VW's with no major problems. As a point of clarification a major problem is not "My power window switch stopped working!"
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Think about the 1.8T golf hard. Cus apparently VW somehow priced it low. They might turn the price up once they realised how hot this little hatchback is. I was lurking at a Golf forum and one of the buyers reported that VW hardly sells any VR6 now that the 1.8T is here. For more info go to vwvortex.com. Glad to know that u're open for other alternatives. As bias as I can get with my OBSession with the Imprezas, I have to admit if there are better alternatives out there that fits my needs or tastes, I will take 'em. Hear that Subaru! You hear that!!!
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Old 05-31-2000, 12:34 AM   #23
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The Corrado VR6 and SLC ar very fast. But requires alot of maintenance. Did u know that on newer models, the rear wing adjust to the speed?! kewl huh? No rice there unlike....
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Old 05-31-2000, 12:37 AM   #24
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My vote would go to the Golf 1.8T also!
But if you are set on either the RS or GSR:
Do you NEED all wheel drive? (ie. snow)-RS
Do you plan to do mods?-GSR
Do you want fast repairs/parts?-GSR
Do you plan to autoX?-RS/GSR
Do you like to be different?-RS
Do you like to race 1/4 mile?-GSR

It goes on, and on! Get the Golf Turbo!
Good Luck!
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