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Old 05-09-2000, 05:24 PM   #1
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Post Anyone got the Prodrive P1 suspension?

I'm thinking of getting the P1 package. Does anyone have it? How do you like it? How stiff is it? I've read articles on the P1 and everyone complains the front is too soft.
I can't really decide what to get next:
1.)P1 package (which will bump me out of GS)or. . .
2.)race rubber (so I can spank that type R the next autox) or . . .
3.)upgrade stereo system (stock speakers suck with the windows down and summer is coming)
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Old 05-09-2000, 10:03 PM   #2
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Get the race rubber...I have the prodrive and they are great for the street w/20mm swaybar...You will need the 21mm without upgrading the springs/struts for autox...get an adjustable spring/strut combo (GAB/AGX/DMS) You can buy my prodrive (8000 miles)system so I can get the DMS 50mm set
w/ double progressive springs.
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Old 05-09-2000, 10:05 PM   #3
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just to confirm, you do have the P1 suspension ravent? many folks have the "original" Prodrive suspension imported by SPD, but now Mike is offering the WR Sport and P1 setups.
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Old 05-09-2000, 10:16 PM   #4
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btw, to answer the original question absolutely upgrade the suspension and run in STS... you won't beat a type-R in GS no matter what, just too much of a power-to-weight difference.

you should get better street tires, but I'd forget about R compounds for now.
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Old 05-10-2000, 02:08 AM   #5
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Why not get something better that P1 kit. How about TEIN HA without pillow ball mounts? You can't beat that. I have 2 sets availible for $1300 + shipping.
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Old 05-10-2000, 02:18 AM   #6
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Hey Alex,
Could you send me the specs of that TEIN HA kit? (Spring Rates, Damping rates) I am looking to get something a little more track oriented than the prodrive setup.

Thanks
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Old 05-10-2000, 06:24 AM   #7
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I can think of about 500 reasons why:

$1300-$775 = $525

Oops, make that 525. I have zero doubt TEIN or most any other coilover would offer more performance.
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Old 05-10-2000, 06:28 AM   #8
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I will have my P1 installed by this weekend. I'll let everyone know whats up on Monday.

Oh, and it's slightly more that $775

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Old 05-10-2000, 08:23 AM   #9
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Colin, Duncan (Prodriven) is on a tight budget, I think that's his main concern. $775 is looking not-so-bad to him, atm. He just bought a set of Kumho 712's, so I doubt he'll want to buy a set of MXX3's any time soon!

He was visibly drooling while driving on my TEIN's though..
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Old 05-11-2000, 09:06 AM   #10
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As much as I'd love to get a set of Teins $1300 is way too much. I also need to install the suspension to, so $800 is my absolute limit. Imprezer, do you still have your V5 setup for sale? I could beat that type R if I had race rubber. I am currently only about 1 sec off him. What to get, what to get???? Maybe I should just wait and save up for Teins, if I'm patient it would only take an extra 3 months or so.
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Old 05-11-2000, 11:19 PM   #11
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We'd like to follow up on our suspension post from about a month ago...

this is a result of recent conversations with Mike at SPD:

The P1 kit that Mike is putting together is NOT the P1 spring and STi V6 strut like we were mistakenly led to believe...it is in fact the P1 spring paired to the WRX RA strut. Now anyone who is familiar with Impreza suspensions will realize that the WRX RA strut is not much of a performance upgrade over the stock RS strut! The WRX RA is Subaru's rally homologation car and was built with the expectation that certain items would be removed and upgraded in the process of Gr.N or Gr.A rally prep...the suspension being first on the list. Highly engineered suspension was not a priority on the RA model. This is no STi strut like the P1 is matched with on the P1 model in the UK. Don't waste your money.

So what is a better alternative??

As a result of a serious drop in costs...we are now able to offer our STi V5/Eibach setup for $750. These should be available at this price starting June 6th. This is the best value for the money in Subaru suspension. Inverted strut technology, reasonable spring rates, excellent quality.
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Old 05-12-2000, 12:27 AM   #12
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sorry PRODRIVEN, Imprezer's old STi V5s are on my car now. And they're very happy there! ha ha...

FC

p.s. - If I hadnt got the STi's for as cheap as I did, I would have ordered the P1 setup from SPD probably.

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Old 05-12-2000, 05:14 AM   #13
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Rallispec, Everybody:

- when I was suspension shopping a month back or so, I was told by Mike Shields that the STi V5 shock and SPD Eibach spring combination was not the way to go - Mike told me that the V5 shocks were far too stiff for the SPD/Eibach springs...: These are the springs you are referring to, right? If not, then never mind.

anyway, here's a clip of what Mike told me:
( I ended up getting a steal of a deal on the whole STiV5 setup, and am very happy with it. I dont think its too harsh at all.)
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The issue with the springs is getting the shock rates to match so you have a
good ride quality. The V5 springs are stiffer and the V5 shocks are also
quite a bit stiffer. The SPD/Eibach springs do not ride that well on the
stiff V5 shocks. What we would recommend is the AGX set with the SPD/Eibach
kit for a smoother ride quality and the better handling balance. The cost
for the AGX/SPD/Eibach is less and the ride is better than trying to use the
stiff STI shocks.

Sincerely,
=m==
Mike Shields
SPD Tuning Service
Redondo Beach CA

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Old 05-12-2000, 05:33 AM   #14
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Guys:
This is the response we got after asking Prodrive about the P1 availability it's suspension, parts and accesories:
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Dear Efrain

The P1 and P1 parts are NOT available in the US, I am responsible for all Subaru export and I am not allowed to sell P1 or P1 parts yet.

Kind regards

Simon
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As a result of resent communications with Prodrive Nativo Performance will soon be offering the complete Prodrive line of products. So stay tune for more info.

Thanks,

Efrain N Alers
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Old 05-12-2000, 06:23 AM   #15
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I beg to differ. I have sitting in my living room a complete P1 set up. The springs are pink with eibach/P1 stamped on them. The struts are the inverted pink Ver6.

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Old 05-12-2000, 06:46 AM   #16
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VersionV also had pink inverted struts. I bet if you gave some of the pn's on your struts to WRXGirl (from iSR performance) she could tell you what you've got. There is a considerable damp/rebound difference between ver V and VI struts according to the published specs...
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Old 05-12-2000, 07:10 AM   #17
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I have the the Rallispec STI V5 struts with Eibach springs. Rallispec is a respected company on this board and there have been virtually no complaints about them. I dont think that they would steer anyone in a bad direction. I also feel that they did not just sell me and others some parts thrown together. Im sure they tried the STI springs and eibachs and have good reasons for going with the eibachs.

Mike S. is also very respected in the Sube community although he never posts. I am sure he knows his prodrive parts well, but I wonder if his conclusions are backed by real world experience. Has he driven the Rallispec STI V5 eibach setup before commenting on it?

Overall I am happy with my setup, although I paid $1050 for it. I will withhold comparison coments because I only know the stock setup and mine.

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Old 05-12-2000, 07:15 AM   #18
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He has a P1 set up on his car right now. He drove it before selling me mine. Thats besides the point. The statement was made that Mike couldn't get the P1. But I have it, am I imaging it. Is the P1 stamped on it a mirrage? As far as the struts, they could very well be v.5, but they are in no way type RA. I also like RallySpec alot, but they need to get there info in check.
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Old 05-12-2000, 08:30 AM   #19
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cOz,

thats exactly the setup I was going to order from rallispec before I head of the prodrive kits mike had, and before I got my complete STi V5 setup for dirt cheap.

ryan
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Old 05-13-2000, 09:10 PM   #20
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Listen, we are not trying to steer anyone wrong... we simply were passing along information that came directly from Mike Shields during a phone conversation. Now Mike is claiming otherwise and has asked us to issue a public retraction and apology for the previous post. Instead we'd like to take this opportunity to announce that we are severing all ties with SPD. We simply can not get reasonable service or reliable information from Mike. Our business and reputation are suffering as a result of these long standing problems.

As for the STi/Eibach setup...we have run these on our own car both on the street and at autox with excellent results. We investigated this combination as a result of our inability to get our hands on the Prodrive suspension a number of months ago (one of the many problems we've had with SPD). No, the STi struts were not designed around the springs we are using...but our goal was to shift the setup slightly towards more streetability and closer to the Prodrive GT setup. The Eibachs allowed us to take the edge off the harshness found with the stiffer STi springs and gain more mechanical grip on rough pavement with minimal loss of high speed cornering performance. The balance has been retained if not improved (most likely a result of progressive rear spring) and with a 20mm rear bar the setup is as near nuetral as it gets. What you may not realize is that there is a fairly broad range of adjustment in regards to spring rates with which to work. So although the STi V5 setup may have been ideal for Japanese tastes and Japanese roads that doesn't mean it can't effectively be tweaked for rougher American conditions without going outside the effective range of strut/spring combinations. Yes the use of the softer Eibachs pushes the valving closer toward the overdamped condition but it is still within the effective range of the strut. The suspension just about starts to "jack" (but not quite) over smooth undulations but we felt this was a small price to pay for a system that in all other respects was as good if not better then the Prodrive GT for fast road...and a heck of a lot cheaper.

This isn't to say our STi/Eibach setup is the best of the best...its just a fantastic low cost (relatively speaking) setup! Of course everyone has there own opinion with regards to suspension...but of the 25 or 30 STi/Eibach kits we've sold we've yet to have anyone complain. We are actually working on developing our own higher level suspension and/or coilover systems with the help of a leading edge suspension company. Should this work out then its possible we may have a replacement for it...or it may continue to be our lower-end system.

And finally...the Eibach springs we use are Pro-kit springs out of Europe...off the shelf. They are not "SPD Eibachs" because there is no such thing...yes SPD sells them but they had no hand in developing them contrary to what he may like you to believe.

...just another facet of the SPD cloud of confusion!
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Old 05-18-2000, 02:02 PM   #21
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RalliSpec,
Do you sell the Eibach springs (Pro-kit springs out of Europe)alone? If so, how much?
I wasn't able to find it on your site.
And thank you for clearing up the Eibach Spring confusion
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Old 05-18-2000, 05:06 PM   #22
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h5n1,

looking for pro-kit? i guess i will sell mind if i buy the p1 kit...contact me in icq...
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Old 05-18-2000, 07:57 PM   #23
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wazzupp ryan???

i helped plum put his sti V5's on, fun job!!!

still need to take a ride to feel the difference

don't worry rayan we'll hook up!!

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Old 05-18-2000, 08:05 PM   #24
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I have the V5 STi suspension and love it.
I think it's one of the best buys for the impreza.

Granted the teins are the best for track, but for street/track v5 are freaking awesome!
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Old 05-19-2000, 05:21 AM   #25
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Wow, this is quite the controversy.

In reading the above posts, particularly nativo's and chrisj's, I'm beginning to wonder if what SPD is selling is the P1 suspension, just not direct from Prodrive. It's well known that some of the items Mike has sold in the past were not brand new, but have come off cars in other markets. Like the STi seats for example. Is it possible that is the case here? That some UK P1 owners have replaced their suspensions with something else and Mike has got his hands on these take-off units?
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