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Old 02-09-2001, 04:25 PM   #1
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Post WRX in GS - Read on

http://www.sccaforums.com/ubb/Forum18/HTML/000053.html

According to this post on SCCA Forums, the WRX's gonna be in GS. (Names mentioned...Howard Duncan and Next FasTrack)

How schweeet it is!!!!!!!!!

After 2 years of getting beat on by IT-r's.... Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh

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Old 02-09-2001, 04:27 PM   #2
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WRX Now In G-Stock, Let the butt-whoopin begin! But um, what about us poor old RSs?
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Old 02-09-2001, 04:33 PM   #3
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I'm going to wait until I see the FasTrack before I jump for joy. I hope this doesn't turn into another M3 ESP fiasco...
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Old 02-09-2001, 04:43 PM   #4
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I'm looking forward to running against the new WRX with my poor old RS. Hoping someone in the Oregon Region comes out and plays!

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Old 02-09-2001, 04:46 PM   #5
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No way. Far too much power and handling to be considered for GS. SOMEONE over there is on some really good crack.
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Old 02-09-2001, 05:33 PM   #6
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Hmm...I should run into Howard Duncan in a few weeks. I'll be sure to ask
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Old 02-09-2001, 05:37 PM   #7
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Looking at it a little more closely with the ITR being 190hp & 2500lbs., there is the possibility it will be in GS. I think it will be considered a class killer though, so a lot of people are going to be protesting it. Also, the fact that Subaru just took over sponsorship of the Central Division just may have had a influence in placing it there...
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Old 02-09-2001, 06:10 PM   #8
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Not necessarily. Every review that I've seen comparing the ITR and WRX so far has said the ITR is the better handler stock. For the average driver the WRX will probably be faster since it has a broader power band. However, with an experienced driver the ITR will be hard to beat even with a WRX.
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Old 02-09-2001, 06:32 PM   #9
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remember the ITR is going to be moved to DS
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Old 02-09-2001, 06:34 PM   #10
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I think in auto X the ITR and WRX will be a reasonable match (personally I think they should *both* go up a class) WRX would whip a ITR on a road course though....
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Old 02-09-2001, 07:05 PM   #11
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Actually the ITR will have the advantage on a road course. The ITR is faster at high speeds than the WRX. Thats where its redline and power band are most useful. The WRX will only have an advantage at low speeds where its broad power band and gearing come into play. If the WRX is in the same class as the ITR after the re-classing. I think it will pretty much be the WRX, ITR, and E30 M3 that dominate the class. The WRX will be easier to drive fast, but not necessarily faster. Thats why I say it will take a good driver in the ITR(and M3 as well).
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Old 02-09-2001, 07:09 PM   #12
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no way WRX will be GS. no way. and the WRX can beat the ITR in any race, as long as its raining or snowing
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Old 02-09-2001, 07:37 PM   #13
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I sent an email to Howard Duncan. I'll let everyone know what he says.
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Old 02-09-2001, 07:56 PM   #14
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Cool does that mean i can compete in GS with an STI motor?

lol..just a joke.

I sincerely hope they bump them up a class..as the ITR seems to be dominating GS..and the WRX will be as well..what about EVERYBODY else in GS? The RS crowd...well to mean that is all who matters Anyhow... i think after the first few complete slaughterings they will wisen up..if they don't sooner
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Old 02-09-2001, 08:05 PM   #15
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I think the WRX and the Type R will be good competition. The Type R is only down 32 hp, but it's what, FIVE HUNDRED pounds lighter? That counts for more than you imagine. Also, the limited slip on the Type R makes considerable headway against the AWD advantage. Also, the handling of the Type R is legendary, regardless of how sweet the WRX. Yes, the Type R is down on torque, but then again, the WRX will have turbo lag, and a softer suspension... the Type R is basically a true race-car for the street.

Also, the closest contemporary of the WRX is the DSM twins (Eclipse/Talon), who also live in GS. They're all heavy 4 cylinder AWD turbocars (within 20 hp and 200 lbs of each other).

Now I won't argue that the S4 is misclassed in AS... I think it should be in GS as well, so don't use that as an example, nor the 225hp AudiTT. Neither of those cars should be in AS either.

Now, the WRX might REALLY suprise everyone, and truly shine as an autox car... in which case reclassing the vehicle will definitely be in order.

But wherever it ends up, I think it should be with the Type R (but not with the other GS underdogs (Probe, MX-6, GS-R, etc). I wish they'd just get on with the TOTAL reclassifaction scheme they've been talking about.

Here's the link for the proposed total reorg: http://www.scca.org/news/tech/seb/1100memo.html#memo

Under the reorg, D-Stock (Class 5) would seem to be a good starting spot for the WRX (vs. TypeR, E30M3, TT, DSM turbos, Celica GTS, etc). Of course it still might end up in the new B-Stock (Class 3).

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Old 02-09-2001, 08:48 PM   #16
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It will be very interesting... Small, agile cars have a big advantage in autocross. Look at how successful the Miata and CRX have been.

The ITR will probably slalom better, but the WRX can put the power down earlier, have better torque down low and will probably pull harder in general.

The WRX will be easier to extract the first 90% of the performance from. In a race between two intermediate drivers of equal skill I would probably favor the WRX. Getting 90% out of an ITR takes more work than to get it from a REX.

That last 10% though; it is a unique challenge to wring out

...and at the national level when it comes down to the last 0.1%, that will be the interesting part. The ITR is a tough customer, and very well suited to this kind of course.

The Subaru 2001 contingency programs for SOLO II and ProSolo are going to be announced soon. There is going to be a nice bonus for WRX drivers, so I don't think there will be a lack of participation at all!
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Old 02-09-2001, 08:50 PM   #17
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OH Boy! Here we go another M3 in ESP type fight I'm surprised those guys at team.net haven't started bitching yet!

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Old 02-09-2001, 11:30 PM   #18
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Just put something like a cone filter on and get into STS,

The TT 225 is not misclassed in AS, I just raced my TT in AS last month and placed second only a 911 with DOT race rubbers in front of me and beating out 2 S2000's.
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Old 02-10-2001, 12:36 AM   #19
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I think I should buy a Go Kart, because nothing is going to touch a 250cc SuperKart around an AutoX course

Although thinking about it they are probably too quick for Auto X

So what would be THE device for AutoX????
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Old 02-10-2001, 02:17 AM   #20
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Richard - The best autoX car? That would be one of these - http://www.mwsoc.org/archive/archive...other/o227.jpg

They hold over 2g's in the corner and get upwards of 90-100mph on some courses - and our courses aren't that spread out either.
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Old 02-10-2001, 06:44 AM   #21
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The best autocross car is made by a fellow in Vancouver, BC, Canada!! I believe it got 2 or 3 years National Champion in AM.
And aout the WRX, I thought I heard that its in A/S before, now they move it to GS??
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Old 02-10-2001, 04:28 PM   #22
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The best 225 TT result at nationals was 37th out of 41 cars entered. Perhaps no national caliber hotshoes believe in the TT, or perhaps it was simply blind luck that didn't put anyone in one, but results like that don't make it look nationally competitive in the AS class. I'm sure you're a good driver, and can be competitive locally and perhaps regionally, but no results have shown the 225 TT is competitive on the national level.... it's just too heavy for the power it generates (3274 lbs).

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Old 02-11-2001, 10:09 PM   #23
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Okay, I've gotten official confirmation. The WRX is in GS! Now if I only had the car...


> Subj: Subaru WRX in GS?
> Date: 2/9/01 5:34:10 PM Mountain Standard Time
> To: duncanscca@aol.com
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> I just saw a message stating that the SEB had classified the WRX in G
> Stock?
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Yes, this classification will appear in the publication of their minutes from
their meeting last weekend.

Howard Duncan.
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Old 02-12-2001, 09:11 AM   #24
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well *****. i guess i better run off into STS where the WRX can't touch me. we finally get rid of the ringer ITR, and they replace it with the WRX
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Old 02-12-2001, 02:03 PM   #25
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I think this will be a great matchup. I personally think the Type R will be the faster car, but the WRX will be easier to drive fast. Obviously the WRX will have the advantage in low end acceleration. Once moving though, the ITR should be faster if the driver can stay on the upper vtec cam. Plus all acounts we've seen so far say the ITR is a slightly better handler in stock trim.
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