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Old 05-27-2000, 04:47 PM   #1
Eric Gagnon
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Hi All,

Today i had to work on getting those pesky swirls outa my Rally Blue paint.. And i found a great couple products..

About 2 weeks ago i used the Meguirs Gold class ClearCoat prep and swirls remover, followed by Gold Class polish. This did ok. And eliminated osme of the swirls.. But not as good as i wanted.

So this weekend i bought some Zymoil products.. Now these are great products. I washed the ca with the Zymoil wash ($7.99) with a new lambswool glove and then dried it off with a good chamois. Yet the car finsh drying and then parked it in the shade. I used the Zymoil Cleaner wax ($19.99) first. This wax took out alot of the swirls. Lots more than the Gold Class ClearCoat prep did. The difference in the paint was really noticible. Next i used the Zymoil Creme wax ($19.99) and this made another layer of differnce.. Almost all the swirl marks are gone. There are still a few. But i think another coast of the Cleaner Wax will get more out next time..

All i can say that if you have the time. Buy the Zymoil products and give them a try. The proccess took the better part of the mid-day. The UK guys highly recommend the products and if you really want to go all out Zymoil reccomends recommends the Carbon Creme wax for our rally blue cars but it is about $60. for one container (a little outa my budget).

Later and sorry for the length, But i am very happy with the results and had to share with everyone.

Eric
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Old 05-27-2000, 04:56 PM   #2
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Say Eric since you have already finished your car what do you say you come over and take care of my car for me? You made it all sound so easy and quick. I saw some posts about that on the UK site a few times before. I always wondered if it was worth the cash they ask for that stuff. Thanks for the info on your experience.
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Old 05-27-2000, 08:45 PM   #3
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Old 05-27-2000, 09:21 PM   #4
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Do you use a buffer/polisher, or, god forbid, do all this by hand? (I presume the swirl marks were created by inapproriate application of a buffer?)
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Old 05-27-2000, 11:19 PM   #5
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It might be easier (fewer steps) to go to a local auto paint dealer and get 3M Handglaze. One step removes swirls and gives the paint (esp. Rally Blue Pearl) a wet look deep gloss. About $15.00, and a lot of pros use it.
I've heard Zymoil is great though, especially on dark colors and blue!
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Old 05-27-2000, 11:47 PM   #6
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hey Eric,
I've also heard about Zymol being a great product, but was informed a few times that getting here in the US is not the best idea, since it's just turtle wax in a zymol bottle. I've heard to turn the bottle around, and if it say s"Made in Illinois" then it is just turtle wax in a diff bottle. Can you look at yours and confirm whether it is the real deal stuff? I'd rather not buy the turtle wax version if it won't work.....hoping that it might have turned out to be a myth, and all Zymol is good...keep me posted.
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Old 05-28-2000, 08:23 AM   #7
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The bottle says made for Zymol America in Chicago, Il.. The paperwork that came in the box has a UK address on it too. But it doesn't smell or have the consitancy of any turtle wax i have ever used. The cleaner is very thin, kinda a pain to work with. And the creme is nice and thick, but not to thick and pastey.

Yes i did everything by hand, I have a small orbital buffer.. But it was such a nice day out that i didn't want to listen to the buffer make it sounds. I wanted to just relax and do it all by hand .

As for the 3M Hand Glaze. I have used it before. But it didn't do a very good job on the smirls. It offered a nice shine but the smirls were still there. Maybe next time i will do the Zymol cleaner wax, then 3M hand Glaze, then Zymol creme wax. But i don't know if i should mix the rbands of waxes.... ANy ideas?

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Old 05-28-2000, 08:30 AM   #8
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My dealer sells a conatiner of that zymol stuff or whatever. I have the zymol catolog. You can buy a lifetime supply of the wax.


for $1500

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Old 05-28-2000, 08:44 AM   #9
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Mind if I bring my car by? I need a good wash. I can wait till after you do N/A's hehe.

[Edit] I made a mistake on what they used to detail my car, so I deleted it.

[This message has been edited by wolve80 (edited May 28, 2000).]
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Old 05-28-2000, 01:09 PM   #10
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The cheap Zymol stuff you find in a autoparts store for 10 bucks is rebadged Turtle Wax. Their expensive stuff is still Zymol.

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Old 05-28-2000, 03:58 PM   #11
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Go to your local paint supply store and purchase a product called Plumb Crazy, seriously. I worked in a body shop that only worked on classic customs. some had paint job over $5,000 doller easy. After buffing to get rid of swirl mark we used this stuff. Works wonders!!!
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Old 05-28-2000, 04:20 PM   #12
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Its worth buying the $50-60 tubs of wax, as not only does it smell great it lasts approximatly for ever
about 1 teaspoonful does the whole car
you also get to apply the expensive stuff by hand (to melt the wax) the neighbours do look at you a bit strangely though
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Old 05-29-2000, 12:19 AM   #13
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The 3M stuff is nice, but you have to be very careful with it. Those swirl removers can make things worse depending on how much you use.

As for the Zymoil stuff, I echo the comments about it being turtle wax in Zymoil packaging. I have heard about that being a problem and avoided the stuff like the plague.

Stick with MOTHERS. And use the 3 stage stuff...by hand...outside...at sunset. The MOTHERS glaze does a good job of eliminating swirls and you can use it every week thanks to the paint-dulling cleaner being a whole 'nother step. Meguires is decent but I was not as happy with the shine that it gave or the swirl removing.

The results are great all-around with the MOTHERS stuff. But to each his own.
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Old 05-29-2000, 04:26 AM   #14
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buy the proper zymol, its well worth the cost as its lasts ages.

you have to preclean the paint with a product called HD Cleanse. Always must be done by hand and always by applying in a straight line. This removes any oxidation of the paint and should give a squeeky clean finish.

You then should apply a VERY SMALL amount of the wax either by hand (melt the wax in your hand) or using a soft applicator, and just lightly buff with a terry towel. Dont put pressure on the wax as you buff as this tears the wax, just a very light buff by hand.

It took me about 6 hours to do my impreza the first time, rewaxes are about 1 hour now.

You wont find a better product anywhere. I would recomend it to anyone. I use the Titanium wax on my silver impreza.

I also use this on my westfield, some of you guys may have seen Subie Gals photos of the car when she was in the UK. It looks immaculate having just had the zymol treatment.

Pay the extra money guys, its worth it and the wax last a very long time, like years.
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Old 05-29-2000, 07:10 AM   #15
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I tried Zymol after using Meguiars and Mothers for years. I was impressed with the results. Very impressed. I have a black MY98 and usually am a little disappointed after going through all the trouble of waxing my car. The Zymol went on easy, came of easy, and made the car look fantastic. The stuff is very runny and smells like tanning lotion (???). It's not cheap at about $20/bottle.

FWIW, I'm not surprised that Zymol has a domestic company making their product since they don't have production facilities in the US. BUT, if they were worried about their reputation, they would make sure the whoever made the product made it to their specifications with their ingredients/formula. Understand? Happens all the time in the lubricants business...
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Old 05-29-2000, 07:08 PM   #16
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Just some more pennies to the pile:

Wanna really get a good waxing? Get this product California Clay bar. Use that! It is excellant! I had used it on my beat up '90 Celica: before use, the paint felt like cardboard. After usage, WOW it's was like new car smooth!

It works by removing all contaminants embeded into the clearcoat/paint. i.e. dirt,tar,etc.

After using the clay bar then use whatever wax you feel to be the best. Whichever it is, it'll definately be a better wax job!

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