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Old 04-15-2004, 03:16 PM   #26
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Does anyone know if we can do this ourselves? I mean there's a few concerned users around here that don't want their whole warranty refused b/c of some minor mods, but want to have it fixed of course.

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Old 04-15-2004, 04:19 PM   #27
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What exactly do you mean by "warranty refused".

The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act means that they can only deny warranty if your mods actually caused the problem.

Botom line, they will fix the cruise control. If you don't want to get "found out", well you'll get found out when you go to get whatever may break fixed anyway, right??

Magnuson-Moss goes like this. If you put a Garret Turbo the size of a Basket Ball on your car and run it at oh . . . 35 psi of boost and your head gasket fails, you're paying for it yourself.

But if your power windows break, by law, they have to show some causality before denying warranty coverage.

By the way, there is one thing that really pisses me off on these boards. Its the guys who in one thread are bragging about running 20 psi of boost and smokey holeshots, then in another thread, they're bitching that Subaru won't honor their warranty when they blew up their transmission at the dragstrip.

Your all big kids. Drive "normal" and leave the car stock and you won't have problems with a warranty. Put a catless exhaust, a chip, a turbo and then beat the crap out of the car. Don't bitch when you lunch 2nd gear in your WRX. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with modding, but lets be truthful about whether its reasonable for a warranty to be expectes.

Sorry for the rant.

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Old 04-15-2004, 06:11 PM   #28
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I totally understand your point of view...I don't thrash my car and I take care of it from top to bottom. It's modded lightly and I run very conservative boost. I, myself, am right on the edge of my warranty being up (mileage) and fully understand that any damages incurred by modding would be my responsibility. BUT, that's besides the point....

I asked wether or not this recall could be fixed by us without having to schedule an appointment with a dealer. They pretty much stink around here - for example - it took them 5 days for them to warranty/tsb my clutch judder with NO provision of a loaner car. Things go slow and if I can do it myself or with a little help, I will.

I mean it's a definite safety concern -sticky throttle, unintended acceleration, bouncing off the rev limiter- whatever.

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Old 04-15-2004, 07:41 PM   #29
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Something like this happened to me a long time ago with an automatic transmission 6 cylinder Rambler. It was no fun, especially with an automatic. Put it in neutral and turned the ignition off and it kept dieseling along for a while until it finally stopped. After that the car ate head gaskets. This also happened to me on a 300 ZX, but it was manual and only stuck at 3000 rpm.

So, I have just made it impossible for that to happen to me in my TXS'ed WRX. I don't use the cruise control anyway, so it makes no sense to me to risk this thing coming off the track, clip or no clip.
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Old 04-15-2004, 10:47 PM   #30
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Coyote,

Different story all together if your dealer sucks. I don't know what the actual fix is. A lot of times for something like this, the recall is an inspection and tiewraping some cable or wire out of the way.

Someone on the list had a scan of the actual communication from SOA. I don't remember if it was a part replacement or what I described above.

Sorry to get preachy before.

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Old 04-15-2004, 11:09 PM   #31
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They add or replace some sort of metal clip to hold the cable on securely. I'm planning to wait until the new Legacys come in and spend my service wait time looking at/driving them.
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Old 04-16-2004, 02:39 AM   #32
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IIRC a clip has to be installed. It took the dealership ~60 minutes with an oil change and a wash of the car. I think they expect the clip to take well under 30 min.
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Old 04-16-2004, 05:11 AM   #33
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My wrx actually encountered this problem. I never use cruise control. One day I was on the highway. I had been cruising at the same speed for around 10-15 mins. When I went to exit I noticed that the car didn't decelerate like it normally does when I take my foot off the gas. I didn't realize wth was going on. I slowed down while pulling over in gear and before the car stalled I threw it in neutral and killed the ignition. It was a cold night and I thought maybe something had frozen up with the throttle cable or something b/c of the hood scoop. I opened the hood and checked the throttle cable. It seemed OK. I started the car and drove the rest of the way home. The problem never happened again.

I just got the recall notice a few days ago and it clicked in my head. Just to let you all know that someone has actually experienced this.
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Old 04-16-2004, 10:50 AM   #34
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Quote:
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What exactly do you mean by "warranty refused".

The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act means that they can only deny warranty if your mods actually caused the problem.
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Sorry for the rant.

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Thanks, but this has been discussed to absolute death, please keep this on topic.


My car is in the body shop already, so I will tell them to do the fix while its there.
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Old 04-16-2004, 11:32 AM   #35
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Does anyone know if we can do this ourselves? I mean there's a few concerned users around here that don't want their whole warranty refused b/c of some minor mods, but want to have it fixed of course.

Thanks,
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Recalls are not a warranty issue at all. Recalls must be done by the manufacturer even when your car is out of the warranty period, because they are safety issues.
There are two things that can prevent the recall from being done on your car. First, is if the part in question is no longer on your car. In this case if you replaced the throttle body or throttle linkage then the dealer can refuse to do the work since the defect part for the recall is no longer on the car. The second part is time - there is a set time period for the recalls in which they will be done free of charge, after that then the dealers/mfgr can charge for the repair. This time period is a number of years.
EDIT - Quick Google search - the recall period is tied to 10 model years - not a specific number of years from when the recall is issued:
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/pr... at No Charge?

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Old 04-16-2004, 01:39 PM   #36
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Great point seattle. I stand corrected.

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Old 04-19-2004, 09:00 AM   #37
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IIRC a clip has to be installed. It took the dealership ~60 minutes with an oil change and a wash of the car. I think they expect the clip to take well under 30 min.
Haha! I could do this myself with a ziptie... it would take all of about 10 seconds.
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Old 04-19-2004, 01:18 PM   #38
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Does anyone know if we can do this ourselves?
It's a recall; the dealership (or an SOA authorized substitute) has to do it.


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Old 04-19-2004, 02:26 PM   #39
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And for a little history lesson:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hreadid=289269

I have since sold the vehicle, but I'm definitely pulling out my invoices and sending them in to SOA demanding a reimbursement.

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Old 04-19-2004, 03:38 PM   #40
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Default any one lese recieve a recall letter?

i just recieved a tsb letter from subaru saying that i need to go get my cruise control cable switched out.... I was just wondering if anyone else got this letter, if not go get it changed, as it can remain stuck in open position even when its off. sheesh i think they would have fixed the fuel smell before this. i guess no one has blown up yet from that.
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Old 04-19-2004, 03:42 PM   #41
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Yes, I have and I know a bunch of us in the Southeast forum have as well.
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Old 04-19-2004, 03:43 PM   #42
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I've gotten the same letter.
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Old 04-19-2004, 03:44 PM   #43
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Got an e-mail this afternoon. I guess I'll get the letter too when I get home. I'll get mine done with an oil-change in a couple weeks.
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Old 04-19-2004, 03:45 PM   #44
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I'm waiting for mine.

I think the valvetrain in my car is a little noisy. So I can have it all done at once.
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Old 04-19-2004, 03:46 PM   #45
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im guessing it is mostly the early wrxs.... or is it all 02 -03's?
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Old 04-19-2004, 03:53 PM   #46
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i got one as well it's on the 2004's also, got mine yesterday.
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Old 04-19-2004, 03:57 PM   #47
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Old 04-19-2004, 04:46 PM   #48
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I received one for both my 2002 and my 2004.
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Old 04-19-2004, 06:12 PM   #49
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got mine today. will bring the car next week.
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Old 04-19-2004, 06:45 PM   #50
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Got mine Saturday.
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