Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Tuesday September 23, 2014
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
Click here to visit TireRack
Brakes & Suspension Forum sponsored by The Tire Rack

Losing traction? Need new tires?
Click here to visit the NASIOC Upgrade Garage...
Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences Home Registration is free! Visit the NASIOC Store NASIOC Rules Search Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Calendar Archive NASIOC Upgrade Garage Logout
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC Technical > Brakes, Steering & Suspension

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-17-2004, 12:09 AM   #1
ScreaminFast
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 24399
Join Date: Sep 2002
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Webster, NY
Vehicle:
2003 White WRX
89 240 / 90 240

Question What to do about swaybars?

Ok, here is my current setup on the car:

JIC FLTA2 Coilovers
Cusco Front Swaybar
Cusco Rear Adj Swaybar
Cusco Front Strut Tower Bar
Cusco Rear Strut Tower Bar
Cusco Rear V-Brace
Whiteline Subframe Locking kit


Here is what I have sitting in my garage read to be installed:

STi Lateral Links
STi Trailing Arms
STi Aluminum Control Arms
Whiteline RACE ALK
Eibach ERS 10.8k (600lb) springs


I was wondering if any of you suggest that I should upgrade to the RACE swaybars from whiteline? The X3003 and X3004 with heavy duty mounts, seems like a good option. Any ideas?


Thanks!

~sf
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
ScreaminFast is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2004, 12:24 AM   #2
Uncle Scotty
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 16200
Join Date: Mar 2002
Vehicle:
OK Houston
we have an Uncle

Default

If you use the STi lateral links with a big rear swaybar you will break the endlinks and/or the boxes.
There are several threads on this.
I would choose different lateral links now so you don't have to backpedal later.

I take it this car will be a track only car....???
Uncle Scotty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2004, 10:24 AM   #3
ScreaminFast
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 24399
Join Date: Sep 2002
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Webster, NY
Vehicle:
2003 White WRX
89 240 / 90 240

Default

Well, I just ordered the poltec endlinks and aluminum boxes, to prevent breaking them, heheh

So, I figured I could go with a bigger swaybar.


Yea, its gonna be a track/autocross/show car only....with an occasional spirited drive
ScreaminFast is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-18-2004, 11:20 AM   #4
ScreaminFast
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 24399
Join Date: Sep 2002
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Webster, NY
Vehicle:
2003 White WRX
89 240 / 90 240

Default

ok just got ordered the Poltec bits....anyone have any suggestions on the whiteline race bars?

anyone?



pleeeeese?

ScreaminFast is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-18-2004, 11:35 AM   #5
Uncle Scotty
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 16200
Join Date: Mar 2002
Vehicle:
OK Houston
we have an Uncle

Default

Why don't you email Whiteline....I'll bet they get right back to you on any question you may have.

support@whiteline.com.au
Uncle Scotty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-18-2004, 12:12 PM   #6
ScreaminFast
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 24399
Join Date: Sep 2002
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Webster, NY
Vehicle:
2003 White WRX
89 240 / 90 240

Default

yea I had emailed them a while ago and they were very helpful....i just wanted to see what people though on here
ScreaminFast is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-18-2004, 12:27 PM   #7
Uncle Scotty
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 16200
Join Date: Mar 2002
Vehicle:
OK Houston
we have an Uncle

Default

Most people don't use race bars on the street....there IS a reason for that...

You talked to the horse and you want the donkey's opinion?
Uncle Scotty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-18-2004, 12:52 PM   #8
ScreaminFast
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 24399
Join Date: Sep 2002
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Webster, NY
Vehicle:
2003 White WRX
89 240 / 90 240

Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Uncle Scotty
Most people don't use race bars on the street....there IS a reason for that...

You talked to the horse and you want the donkey's opinion?

Yea, lol, the car is going to ride like it doesn't have a suspension. Although the car will not be daily driven, I still want to drive it to and from some autocrosses, and to some of the local shows....
ScreaminFast is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-18-2004, 12:59 PM   #9
chileewili
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 13080
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Vehicle:
2002 wrx waggy

Default

why turn your daily driver into a daily driver with a live axle suspension? -that's essentially what's happening with huge sways. -tune your turn-in and body roll with stiffer springs.
chileewili is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-18-2004, 01:08 PM   #10
Uncle Scotty
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 16200
Join Date: Mar 2002
Vehicle:
OK Houston
we have an Uncle

Default

Quote:
Originally posted by chileewili
why turn your daily driver into a daily driver with a live axle suspension? -that's essentially what's happening with huge sways. -tune your turn-in and body roll with stiffer springs.
chilee's got it there....buying and using the right parts is not just buying and slapping together a stupid stiff suspension...and expecting it to work....

If you haven't read through ALL the stuff(you can skip the Greek stuff ) here: http://svc007.bne143p.server-web.com/reviews03.htm

read it and then buy parts....you will almost surely save yourself a lot of pain, suffering and $$$
Uncle Scotty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-18-2004, 02:26 PM   #11
WRXzard
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 14855
Join Date: Jan 2002
Default

I'm just started to get into the suspension and I am finding out that you have to tune your suspension just as much as your engine.

Depending on how your are set up, you may not need some upgrades. There are adverse effects to upgrading the swaybars using different sizes and brands. It looks like you have a lot to work with and you need to take it one step at a time. Your camber can be effected by the bar also. You can tighten up the rear a lot and that will cause the front to looses up (pushing/sliding out easier) or vice versa. So be take it slow and
work your way up, it looks like you have a lot invested in what you have.

So do it right or you may be screaming for other reasons.

Let us know what you find and the results and vice versa.

WRXzard
WRXzard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-18-2004, 03:19 PM   #12
sdecker
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 14717
Join Date: Jan 2002
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Road Atlanta
Vehicle:
2002 WRX, WR Blue
Complete n00b Racing

Default

Quote:
Originally posted by ScreaminFast
ok just got ordered the Poltec bits....anyone have any suggestions on the whiteline race bars?

anyone?



pleeeeese?

I have the Whiteline race bar in the rear (22-24-26mm effective diameters) and it's fine. Honestly, it's just a swaybar -- no more, no less. Using just that bar I can easily tune the chassis from understeer to oversteer...

On your setup, I wouldn't know how to start...you've got quite a bit of stuff there. Let me take it off your hands and hold on to it for you. You've got way too many variables to consider.

Whaddya say?

Scott
sdecker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-18-2004, 04:24 PM   #13
ScreaminFast
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 24399
Join Date: Sep 2002
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Webster, NY
Vehicle:
2003 White WRX
89 240 / 90 240

Default

Quote:
Originally posted by sdecker
I have the Whiteline race bar in the rear (22-24-26mm effective diameters) and it's fine. Honestly, it's just a swaybar -- no more, no less. Using just that bar I can easily tune the chassis from understeer to oversteer...

On your setup, I wouldn't know how to start...you've got quite a bit of stuff there. Let me take it off your hands and hold on to it for you. You've got way too many variables to consider.

Whaddya say?

Scott

Hehehe, veeery funny. I've heard only but good things about the parts that I have waiting to be installed, but I just wanted to be sure about whether or not I should upgrade the sway bars to go with the other parts that I have.


Scott, what front bar are you running with that rear bar? Maybe I'll just go with that rear bar and keep the cusco one in front. I'd like to be able to adjust from lotsa oversteer to a fairly neutral car.


OH, and I forgot to say I have 17x8.5 Advan RG's in white, w/ 255/40R17 Victoracers as my racing wheel/tire setup


Thanks,

Mike
ScreaminFast is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-18-2004, 08:27 PM   #14
sdecker
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 14717
Join Date: Jan 2002
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Road Atlanta
Vehicle:
2002 WRX, WR Blue
Complete n00b Racing

Default

Currently, I have the stock WRX bar (18 or 19 mm IIRC) in place, along with stock links. That bar + 22mm setting in the rear equals neutral; +24mm = slight oversteer, +26mm = lots 'o' oversteer. This can also be affected by my Koni settings, tire pressure, etc. but I'm just trying to give you a general idea.

I have kicked around a larger front bar, but I'm unwilling at this point to give up the independence of the suspension.

Scott
sdecker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-18-2004, 08:37 PM   #15
industrial
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 7250
Join Date: Jun 2001
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Home
Vehicle:
2014 Forester & BRZ
MBP & WRB

Default

Maybe you should spend that extra money to get your suspension dialed in by some professions. I remember reading a thread back about someone raving about such a thing. I doubt your coilovers are set as well as they could be. Corner balancing and fine tuning your camber, toe and castor will probably yeild some big dividends.
industrial is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-18-2004, 09:16 PM   #16
ScreaminFast
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 24399
Join Date: Sep 2002
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Webster, NY
Vehicle:
2003 White WRX
89 240 / 90 240

Default

well i'm obviously going to get it aligned....i'm not ready to get it corner balance because I haven'tg completed my weight reduction....


thanks for the insight scott...something to think about


I love how everyone has to find fault with the stuff I have bought....
ScreaminFast is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-18-2004, 09:22 PM   #17
RedRoof2
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 36516
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Troy, NY
Default

okay, anytime today you guys can stop treating him like a n00b.

The car is going to be pretty much a track-car ONLY. The only reason it's remaining street legal is because he doesn't have a truck to tow it to events and he's planning to park it at the occasional car show for fun. We've both worked on this car to get it ready and we dont have any intentions of half-assing it or making it into some "has fart can can kill ferraris" car.

The car is going to be fully corner balanced and alignment completely redone pending final installation of the suspension bits. He's planning on experimenting with different setups, but he's simply asking for advice from people who've been there and may have FEEDBACK.

Are you guys always this condescending to people who post about sub 1000 dollar components?

Last edited by RedRoof2; 03-18-2004 at 09:27 PM.
RedRoof2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-18-2004, 09:51 PM   #18
industrial
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 7250
Join Date: Jun 2001
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Home
Vehicle:
2014 Forester & BRZ
MBP & WRB

Default

Why are you getting so worked up?

It is clear from his setup (600lb springs) he means buiness but it should be re-iterated clearly. Many people buy coilovers...for the sake of buying coilovers? I'm sure you get my drift.


I wasn't talking about just getting a simple alignment. That much is common sence.

Quote:
Dude,..I talk about this til' I'm blue in the face, and no -one ever listens,...(glad to see you got it dialed in SD )most coilover people,.and I do feel like MOST dont ever have the car corner balanced, or even scaled, or evened out. Just crankit down, and look at it, and make it stiff and bouncey, and thats it. WRONG,.. I love driving away from those guys on the track, with a stock 2.5 rs. My point here is , I'm glad to see someone do it, and talk about it. Anyone who reads this should find someone who does race alignments, and go pay the money. How to find them,...go to the race track, det on the internet,..look under the sanctioning bodies at the race entries, and find someone racing your type of car,..so a search, track'em down at the races, and tell them what you're trying to do,.most racers are willing to help people beyound that "street" point. Again, just my .02 cents worth. If this sounds vague,.pm me, i 'll help all day long, if you want it .

944 turbo guy
Racecomp Engineering LLC.
410-366-RACE
from this neglected thread here:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hreadid=516797
industrial is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-18-2004, 10:22 PM   #19
sdecker
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 14717
Join Date: Jan 2002
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Road Atlanta
Vehicle:
2002 WRX, WR Blue
Complete n00b Racing

Default

Quote:
Originally posted by RedRoof2
okay, anytime today you guys can stop treating him like a n00b.

<snip>

Are you guys always this condescending to people who post about sub 1000 dollar components?
It's not that the components are less than 1000 dollars -- it's that this board in general is very arrogant/opinionated about what 'is' and 'isn't' the right way to do things. I've been here for a long time and don't frequent any other Subaru boards, although I have visted and posted on others.

The simple facts are that this board probably contains the most technical knowledge out there in terms of raw volume. Unfortunately, along with that knowledge comes some arrogance. It's part of the history of this board, right or wrong.

When I ask questions here (and I have asked a lot), I try to be as humble as possible and keep an open mind to what I'm told. I also like to get multiple opinions on things, just to make sure I'm getting 'correct' information. ScreaminFast seems to be doing this, which is a good thing...

Don't sweat the petty stuff. Hang in there and you'll get the info you want...although it might take a fairly thick skin sometimes.

Scott

PS -- if I can answer anything else for you, let me know. I'm no 'expert' but I can certainly weigh in on things I've personally seen/done.
sdecker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2004, 02:14 AM   #20
ScreaminFast
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 24399
Join Date: Sep 2002
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Webster, NY
Vehicle:
2003 White WRX
89 240 / 90 240

Default

ok thanks very much for the info....I really appreciate it


I think I'll get my current stuff installed, and that will give me more time to rethink it.... The closest place to me to get corner balanced is in massachusets, and my car can't drive that far without a bumper, so I'd have to get the body work done, and then hope that the guys in Mass don't screw up the car....


I'll keep doing more and more research. Maybe I'll end up staying with the cusco front and go to a RACE rear bar, and then get it all dialed in with the victos on the car.... Thanks!
ScreaminFast is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2004, 07:18 AM   #21
sdecker
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 14717
Join Date: Jan 2002
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Road Atlanta
Vehicle:
2002 WRX, WR Blue
Complete n00b Racing

Default

Remember -- people on this board really ARE helpful. They just don't tend to pull their punches on a new guy.

Good luck,

Scott
sdecker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-19-2004, 10:28 AM   #22
ScreaminFast
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 24399
Join Date: Sep 2002
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Webster, NY
Vehicle:
2003 White WRX
89 240 / 90 240

Default

Quote:
Originally posted by sdecker
Remember -- people on this board really ARE helpful. They just don't tend to pull their punches on a new guy.

Good luck,

Scott

I'm not that new if you see
ScreaminFast is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Still trying to figure out what to do about the ECU... Speedwagon Legacy Forum 1 11-16-2007 10:00 AM
Serious question about what to do about my job *Now with 100% more resolution!* WagonMonster Off-Topic 118 11-08-2006 12:19 PM
My trip to cancun has been cancelled... wondering what to do about airfare sportz135 Off-Topic 6 12-01-2005 10:43 PM
New to CA... what to do about emissions? rossscarbro Southern California Impreza Club Forum -- SCIC 18 01-30-2004 11:17 PM
What to do about guy picking nose next to me jzinckgra Off-Topic 9 08-21-2003 11:24 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:04 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2014 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2014, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.