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Old 05-26-2000, 08:36 PM   #1
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Post War Stories Posts. Do we need them?

Do we want to be able to post and read members' stories about going very fast on public roads and racing with other cars around innocent people?

I don't want this to turn into a habit. I personally don't mind a little bit of these posts, but lately we have been seeing more and more of them.

i Club does not promote or support any racing on any non-designated roads, so if I had to make my choice, I would say NO, but I want to make sure that majority of people here agree with me.

Please, simply say YES or NO. Yes--to keep, No--to ban. Also, include a short paragraph on why you think that way.

Please, do not get into details and start lecturing people.

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Old 05-26-2000, 08:47 PM   #2
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Keep them.

The stories don't incite reckless driving, since some of us will do that without any help. But, many of us are very careful about the time and place that we pick our "fights", and always stay within our skills and abilities.

Life is full of risks, live it and enjoy.

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Old 05-26-2000, 09:04 PM   #3
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I don't think any of the posts as of yet have said they raced in traffic or in school zone. The only two I posted were of the Silvia getting beaten. One was more of a write-up on the Forester then a real race story since 99% of it was about the way the car looked and how fast it was. The other was a race on a empty toll road. As long as Sev doesn't have to drag out the Bull**** flag and meter or as long as it isn't a story of stupid driving I don't see much harm in it. Then again if every other post becomes a race story then maybe we need some moderating. So I guess I would have to say keep them for now.
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Old 05-26-2000, 09:08 PM   #4
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Keep em.

Ignoring dangerous driving won't make it go away. However if I post something about me doing 'not so safe' stuff, and people remind me of the dangers, i might think twice next time.

Also war stories gone bad serve as a good reminder of the dangers of driving fast and dangerous.

My 2 cents.
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Old 05-26-2000, 09:09 PM   #5
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I agree with you 100% imprezer
(shameless sucking up)
acctully i do agree
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Old 05-26-2000, 09:14 PM   #6
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Old 05-26-2000, 09:16 PM   #7
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you should close this thread, just so you know the feeling. Hows the spell check coming?

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Old 05-26-2000, 09:28 PM   #8
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Keep 'em,

It's good to know that our little known car can beat the pants off the BIG Guns!
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Old 05-26-2000, 09:36 PM   #9
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I like censorship. Just hope we know when to stop.

Jim, are you ever serious? And is your wife mod still up for sale?
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Old 05-26-2000, 09:46 PM   #10
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Edit:

After reading some of the other responses I've decided to revise my answer. Since I'm not a "form leader" and can't delete my post, I'll just edit the hell out of it and post a new one at the end.

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Old 05-26-2000, 09:58 PM   #11
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I just want to know where everyone is getting there little faces.


As for war stories, I say keep em. Were all grown adults that know better in our brains but not in our foot. I personally don't agree with street racing but I'm not going to jump someone's butt for doing it. As long as the post's it self is in good taste.
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Old 05-26-2000, 10:07 PM   #12
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I think I agree with Imprezer - I don't know if we should outright ban stories like that though. I'd rather see us cultivate a culture that generally frowns on street racing, so we just police ourselves and set an example for others.

I'll be the first to admit that I don't always follow the speed limit or have a little fun with other cars on the highway sometimes, but I am not proud of it. I don't think any of us really should be either. I mean, it's all fun and games until one of us gets hurt, or worse, hurts someone else...

And I know that many of us feel that we "know what we are doing" and use that to defend our "do as I say, not as I do" attitude. I don't think it's right.

For me to say "well, *I* know how to drive, and it's your own fault if you kill yourself after reading my post" may well be okay if I'm only looking out for myself. But are we really all that selfish? If that's the case, then I guess we're beyond hope, but I hope (and know) that's not true.

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Old 05-26-2000, 10:14 PM   #13
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I'm, sorry for not keeping it short, and I won't lecture anyone in particular. I feel I need to say my peace however. I would give any of you the same courtesey, particularly our superb adminstrators here at the I-club.

Here we go....

As long as it remains civil, and doesn't start turning into flame wars, I say let it ride. I for one could not resist the urge to state my position and provide an example of it, in another "kill" post.

It was the first time I did it, and seeing how I will only be racing in sanctioned envirionments, any future "kill" posts will be appropriate, due to the fact they are being done in the appropriate place.

I think if you don't like it, don't read it. You have that choice, don't be afraid to use it. I don't think the subject matter is any more offensive than watching the Dukes of Hazard (Although some find DoH extremely offensive - taste wise...hehe).

I automatically dismiss the argument that it encourages such behavior. That's like saying playing video games make people kill. Uh.....no, people started killing each other a long, long, time ago. People did dumb things, before anyone gave them the idea too. I know I have. You are all lying to yourself if you think you haven't.

People here are capable of using their judgement, and know right for wrong. Whether or not they do the right thing, is an entirely differnt matter. Besides if everyone did do the right thing all the time, the world would be a pretty dull place IMHO. Sometimes it's good to be bad.

Anyways, later all, and keep 'em slideways!

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Old 05-26-2000, 10:20 PM   #14
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ya, keep 'em

It's always nice to hear a good story, as long as it doesn't get out of hand. Sometimes people do go a tad to far, hence my story post, but others are all in good taste. I do not agree with racing on the streets and we all know there is a time and place for that. BUT, if people feel they made some huge accomplishment by spanking a Camaro or Si or something, let them post, and blow off a little excitement. We all know how hard it is for US when we do something cool, or get a new toy....
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Old 05-26-2000, 10:52 PM   #15
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Nah... Dump em..

Now did I tell you how I out dragged an Evo VI up the main straight at Knockhill?

No!! Well..... I kicked his butt

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Old 05-26-2000, 10:55 PM   #16
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Tough call,

Who can honestly say they follow the posted limits? But is there a need to brag. What is the validity of posted limits anyway? Gas millage, average day, driver, car, its all so much bs. Allmost as much bs as most the "kill" posts ive read. Like my stock rs rocked a mustang gt last night,,,whatever.
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Old 05-26-2000, 10:58 PM   #17
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I don't mind reading a post or two if it interesting and well written. I just don't like seeing posts talking about speeds above 100mph on public roads though. That is just dumb.

Keep it safe everyone.

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Old 05-26-2000, 11:02 PM   #18
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I say keep em...
Not because street racing is appropriate, but rather the stories are entertaining. They help to add a little flavor to the site. Part of the reason why people buy "our cars" is the aoura that its handling is top notch and its an all around good compact. Again I surely don't want to encourage breaking the law but one has to admit when you sit behind the wheel of this car or see one driving by there is a certain rush of adrenline!! Anyway...(my 2 cents)

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Old 05-26-2000, 11:05 PM   #19
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I think most members know when and where is a safe place for spirited driving. The majority of the members who have posted about 'street racing' have not really attained speeds that most of us achieve in daily driving, from time to time.

I posted one story about tieing a Stealth R/T(non-awd turbo, thank you). I think in the excitement I forgot to mention that I only chose that section of road because it was 5:30 am and there was a three-lane road with no cross traffic for like 1 1/2 miles. We only got up to about 95 before we had to let off.

I hope that all the members know that exceeding highway speeds is dangerous. Even when the hazards have been reduced to a minimum.
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Old 05-26-2000, 11:10 PM   #20
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Guys, here are two examples of "war stories". One of them is acceptable, while the other one is simply disturbing.

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...on other nite, i had a confrontation w/ a Ford Taurus on the on-ramp hwy880-hwy80. He was tailgating me and tried to race me. so i had to show him what Impreza is all about... needless to say, he got his lesson. his front tire blew out when we were coming off that on-ramp. his car skidded and then spun out.. i believed he may have hit the guardrail.. i just hit the gas and took off from the scene...
And here is the second one.

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...some Lexus GS 400 pulls up next to me.... He revs, I get my rpms to 1,300 and have a OK launch. So he ends up spanking me by about one car length...at the end of this industrial road is nice sharp turn, thats where I showed him what my scoobie can do (He was about one car ahead of me before the turn) he had to brake a little on the turn, (Looked like he was going to tip over hehe) so I get right on his ass at about 70MPH and pass his sorry ass (Durring the turn)ahh...
Both are war stories. Now YOU tell me which one is ok and which one is not. I agree with most of you. I am not totally against the "war stories". I just want them to be reasonable. Thats where the hard part is. How to distinguish the two? Some people might not see the difference. Maybe, I can appoint a special MODERATOR who is going to be responsible for monitoring the "war stories" and "moderate" them if they are really unappropriate. Too bad we lost TrooperRS to Audi Club, hehe. He would have been perfect for this "job".
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Old 05-26-2000, 11:12 PM   #21
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I would much rather be hearing stories about how someone put an extra 2 car lengths on a Miata coming out of turn 3 at Sears Point than how you smoked a riced out Civic on Wilshire Blvd, but if that's all we have to brag about, so be it...

Guys and gals, get yourselves to some real events!
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Old 05-26-2000, 11:33 PM   #22
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I think Edwin said it the best. Outright banning of posts like that is not the answer, but we should encourage those among us to think twice before racing on the street.

Upon further consideration, I also agree with Arik: people are going to do dumb stuff on their own. They don't need outside encouragement.

So I say keep them, but people should know that if they post what appears to be an unsafe "kill" story they're likely to be flamed. That in itself presents problems, but I have enough faith in our more mature members and moderators that those threads won't get out of hand.

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Old 05-26-2000, 11:54 PM   #23
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I agree with Tyrmltr!!! Robert, I now work in Marina Del Rey. Maybe we can go to lunch and you can take my car for a spin.
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Old 05-26-2000, 11:55 PM   #24
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As long as it doesn't get out of hand, I'm okay with them. Just don't let this forum become the "Si vs All" forum I'm sure most of us know about. If not, see the thread http://208.9.184.67/NonCGI/Forum1/HTML/008688.html

It's cool when you win those little wars, but there's no need to trash-talk the other car saying how it is a POS and stuff like that.
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Old 05-27-2000, 01:30 AM   #25
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I am glad that we don't have an RS vs. all section. after all, were not all savages, are we. I think as long as they are self-censored, Not just bragging about how you ran some Si off the road in the rain and watched the driver scream for help. I think that we are mature enough to carefully word our post so I don't believe at this time it is neccisary to ban the post. You might want to do thins every couple of months to see if it does get out of hand, though. Imagine next year when the turbo come out. Kill city!
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