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Old 08-01-2000, 03:47 AM   #1
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Could someone here tell me whether the sign on the side is Japanese or Chinese. I was on usenet this morn catching up on who is out to get me, when I stumble across this post that says that the sign is Chinese, and that they have LHD cars. Could somebody here confirm this for us, and also translate it.

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Old 08-01-2000, 07:18 AM   #2
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Anybody?.....back to the top.

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Old 08-01-2000, 07:51 AM   #3
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It says "Danger! Monkeys on the prowl!"
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Old 08-01-2000, 08:12 AM   #4
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My guess is Chinese.

The Japanese language uses Chinese characters for their symbolic alphabet, called Kanji, but typically on signs Kanji is mixed with Hiragana, the phonetic alphabet, which looks significantly different. Rarely have I seen signage in Japan that contained only Kanji.

I may be totally wrong, but I'm thinking it's Chinese. Maybe N/A could help?
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Old 08-01-2000, 08:46 AM   #5
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I'm thinking Chinese as well. I used to work with a guy who had only been in the states for 4 years and came directly from China... he said that the basic difference between Japanese and Chinese is that Japanese uses Chinese lettering which is all fairly square, but Japanese use some lettering that was quite a bit less square-ish.
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Old 08-01-2000, 09:04 AM   #6
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Yeah, to clarify...

Kanji is the symbolic written language. Not really an "alphabet" as the symbols stand for ideas, not sounds. These are borrowed directly from the Chinese with very little change.

Hiragana is the phonetic alphabet for the Japanese language. These characters are relatively simple and flowing, and are designed for freehand style writing and text. Only Japanese words are written in Hiragana.

Katakana is the second phonetic alphabet, used for words borrowed from other languages. These characters are similar to Hiragana, but are extremely harsh and unpretty in comparison, sort of like block lettering. This serves two purposes, to separate and distinguish words from other languages, and to show the "impurity" of those words beside the written Nihongo (Japanese).

Signage in Japan contains some Kanjii, but generally Hiragana and Katakana are used for marketing effect. The sign on the dock lacks either of the phonetic alphabets, leading one to believe that it is probably Chinese in origin.

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Old 08-01-2000, 09:48 AM   #7
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Ok...er thanks. Anybody wanna try and translate? Now.....if this is Chinese, why would there be a Chinese sign at a Japanese dock?....if this is to be believed a Japanese dock. Conjecture?

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Old 08-01-2000, 10:05 AM   #8
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Those words means "CANNOT ENTER". But as a chinese myself I think that is a sign in Japan since Japanese use some of the chinese characters too. Just my instinct.
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Old 08-01-2000, 10:07 AM   #9
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To be more accurate those words just mean CANNOT.
So it can be CANNOT ENTER or No parking.
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Old 08-01-2000, 10:09 AM   #10
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I'm still certain that those pics were pieced together from something else. The rear wheel is seriously messed up and the shadows don't match.
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Old 08-01-2000, 10:15 AM   #11
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I'd have to argue that the picture was taken in Japan, or at least the signage is Japanese in origin.

A rough translation of the sign is "Entrance Stictly Forbidden." Specifically, the top two characters say "Stictly Forbidden" and the bottom two say "Not Allowed." The characters are Chinese in origin, but there are some differences.
First, China uses what's know as 'simplified' chinese, where many of the characters are abbreviated. These characters are the unabbreviated 'traditional' characters.
Also, the usage of the characters is slightly different than Chinese usage. The sign conveys the meaning of "no entrance," or "don't trespass," but the wording is not the same as a sign in Chinese.
Third, if you look at the line of characters in black at the bottom of the sign, I believe that last character is for "office," as if denoting that the sign was erected by the office of...... (I can't really be sure since the resolution is so low.) This usage of the word office is a Japanese usage.

On a side note, one of the pictures shows a truck driving on the left side of the road. That's also a tip off to the Japanese origin.

I think it might be easier if someone can identify the tower reflected in the hood.

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