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Old 08-01-2000, 01:09 AM   #1
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Unhappy SUVs ain't that tough

An officer in south Florida, driving a Ford Crown Victoria was involved in a head-on collision with a man driving a Ford Explorer. The Crown Victoria received moderate front end damage which popped open the hood and it's paint cracked and fell off the front of the bumper, which was still in tact. When the medics arrived to the scene of the accident, they were able to open the front door normally and remove the officer from his damaged cruiser. He was later released from the hospital on medical leave. The driver of the Explorer was intantly killed when his SUV impacted the cruiser and folded nearly in half, destroying both the passenger compartment and most of the front end. More proof that you can't beat a good sedan when it comes to safety. That's one of the main reasons I bought my Bird. Let's see some Explorer try and tear through my 2 and a quarter ton ass!
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Old 08-01-2000, 10:06 AM   #2
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Crown Victoria built on a ladder frame, rather than a unibody? Perhaps this might explain why it withstood the impact from the SUV so well. I'm pretty sure that an equally massed unibody car wouldn't have fared as well.
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Old 08-01-2000, 10:06 AM   #3
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Wow..that's gotta suck...

And my mom wants to get an Escape when they come out...I've almost got her convinced on the Forrester though.

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Old 08-01-2000, 10:08 AM   #4
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Tell your mom to get a Expedition..
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Old 08-01-2000, 10:14 AM   #5
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Also I know some cruisers are equiped with this kangaroo gard thingy that can pretty much punch a hole on USS Nimitz.
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Old 08-02-2000, 02:27 AM   #6
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Yes, but the Explorer is a ladder frame vehicle as well. Also, a "kangaroo bar" or any bar of the sort(the police cruiser had none) is only as strong as the chassis of the vehicle, because even if the bar holds up, the chassis can still collapse. BTW, unibody cars actually fare better in accidents than ladder frame vehicles. That's how the transition came about in the first place. The only exceptions to this, being the Crown Vic and the Caprice Classic, which both have(or had in the Caprice's case) 5-star safety record for both front and side impact. My T-Bird also got 5 stars, so I guess the theory about ladder frame cars being safer still isn't true.
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Old 08-02-2000, 07:19 AM   #7
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I don't believe that SUV's have the same rigorous crash test standards as cars. That is why they should not be driven by anybody!
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Old 08-02-2000, 07:46 AM   #8
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they do have the same crash tests, they just don't do very well in them. Why does every
female montero owner have to be such a fuking (unt to me???? Don't worry though,
everyone dies, and when i do, i will have never owned an SUV

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Old 08-02-2000, 07:57 AM   #9
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They are held to the same standards, which are pretty low on both parts. Basicly, if it has a 5 mph bumper(most which do not even work, as some cars sustain $2000 worth of damage in 5 mph impacts) and airbags, and doesn't show that it will cause instantaneous death, it is allowed. If a car has better than minimal performance, beleive me, it's by the manufacturer's own good conscience.Other countries are even more lenient. Here are 2 good examples of terrible cars let into the US. The Astro and the Amigo. 1 SUV and one mini van based on an SUV chassis(Blazer). I've provided a link to the test pages, but take a look at the pics first. The first pic shows what probably happened to the man in the Explorer that got hit by the cop car.
http://www.hwysafety.org/vehicle_rat...ges/astro2.jpg
http://www.hwysafety.org/vehicle_rat...ges/astro1.jpg
Here's the story on the Astro's terrible performance http://www.hwysafety.org/vehicle_rat...ages/astro.htm

Here's the pics and story on the Amigo. The truck that the IIHS says doesn't belong on American roads.

htp://www.hwysafety.org/vehicle_ratings/ce/small_suvs/amigo.htm
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Old 08-02-2000, 08:05 AM   #10
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She's pissed off that she has a terrible ride, shiddy handling, abhoring braking, and has to make more stops at Citgo, than she does the bathroom. She's also pissed off that she has to endure all that and still can't carry as much as a Taurus station wagon.(seriously! look it up!)
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Old 08-02-2000, 08:11 AM   #11
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Not to mention Montero's cost over $30K!
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Old 08-03-2000, 02:54 AM   #12
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yeah. I know. what a rip off!
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Old 08-03-2000, 08:38 AM   #13
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I have a couple videos somewhere of offset frontal impact crash testing of various SUVs. In the video of the Chevy Blazer, the frame sustains so much damage that, it basically folds in half and the dummy's head it kinda crunched between the B-pillar and the bottom of the window opening. In contrast, the Toyota 4-Runner hardly deforms at all, and I would guess that the door could have been opened fairly easily.

This is yet another reason I'm wary of GM's purchase of a portion of FHI. GM is notorious for their horrendous crash test results... But I'm getting OT.

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Old 08-03-2000, 10:13 AM   #14
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GM had it's moments although:
1991-1996 Caprice 5 stars
All Years Pontiac Fiero 5 stars
there were a couple of others. I can't remeber right now.
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Old 08-03-2000, 10:21 AM   #15
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My dad had a dark blue Chevy Caprice station wagon...his brothers called it "the boat" for two reasons...one was that it kind of looked like an upside down boat...the other was that if you got up to ramming speed, other people better get the heck out of the way.

My uncle owns it now...boy that thing was huge.
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Old 08-03-2000, 06:00 PM   #16
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Hmm Well I have to say crown vics are tough as ****E. A dautson 510 sedan hit my DAD's 79 head on and it was totaled because the fender and fiberglass nose piece were $100 over the cost of the car. The 510 had its engine relocated to the passenger side fender well.

The Explorer is ALSO very tough. NO it isn't a tank, but it will take a decent hit. Hitting a CrownVic head on is MORE than a decent hit.

The Forester is a Step behind the Outback in safety, so if thats your primary concern go up a size level.
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Old 08-03-2000, 09:11 PM   #17
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I have a trooper, put on a nudge bar to protect the front plastic which covers a sheet metal bumper. $700 for a tap if it's damaged... But headoning a crown vic is surely not a wise manuver...

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