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Old 03-24-2004, 05:07 PM   #1
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Question Upgrading Cams, do I need new springs and retainers?

So yeah mang. I'm going to be buying the TWE Stage II/Street Cams because they have them in stock and Cobb won't have any for 6 weeks. Anyhow, TWE recommends their valve springs for any cam upgrade. They sell the springs for $194 but will throw in Titanium retainers for $399 total (excluding price of cams)

I'm going to get the springs, because I don't want to **** around with that ****, but I can't decided on wether or not to get the titanium retainers.

Like what's the big deal about the titanium ones? How much better ar they from the stockers, and what benefits come from going titanium?
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Old 03-24-2004, 05:11 PM   #2
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obyone - The retainers are nice to do at the same time since you're changing out your valvesprings. They're considerably lighter then stock (reducing valvetrain mass aids in relative responsiveness).
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Old 03-24-2004, 06:58 PM   #3
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If you are not ever planning on raising the redline, skip the retainers. If you don't know where the road is leading, get them.

Reduced valvetrain mass is always nice, but 6250 RPM (or 6500 DOHC) is far from benifitting much from it. If you can think of something better to do with your $200.00, skip them. Neither choice is wrong, 6 inone hand, half dozen in the other.

I would spend $200.00 on retainers before I would spend $210.00 on tail lights to replace my perfectly good factory lights with some that had "clear" blinker sections instead of amber.

Many people disagree.

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Old 03-24-2004, 07:11 PM   #4
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I'm with Greg, as usual.

Function > Form.



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Old 03-24-2004, 07:42 PM   #5
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If you are not ever planning on raising the redline, skip the retainers. If you don't know where the road is leading, get them.

Reduced valvetrain mass is always nice, but 6250 RPM (or 6500 DOHC) is far from benifitting much from it. If you can think of something better to do with your $200.00, skip them. Neither choice is wrong, 6 inone hand, half dozen in the other.

I would spend $200.00 on retainers before I would spend $210.00 on tail lights to replace my perfectly good factory lights with some that had "clear" blinker sections instead of amber.

Many people disagree.

cheeRS,

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Yeah...my brother told me what the retainers do....after leaving fifty billion messages. Since I will not be raising the redline, I'm going to pass for now. Though I'll let you guys know how the TWE cams + valve spring install turns out.

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Old 03-24-2004, 11:27 PM   #6
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If you are not raising the redline or getting headwork, not only are the retainers a waste of money, but the springs are as well. And you do not need to remove the springs to change the cams, so why bother with the time effort and money? You do not need to buy those springs just because you are doing the cams, you only need them if you do more to the heads...
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If you are not raising the redline or getting headwork, not only are the retainers a waste of money, but the springs are as well. And you do not need to remove the springs to change the cams, so why bother with the time effort and money? You do not need to buy those springs just because you are doing the cams, you only need them if you do more to the heads...
- Changing out the springs when a more aggresive cam is used is smart, as it'll decrease the possibility for coil-bind occurring. (associated with more spring compression by higher lift on the cams vs. stock cams).
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- Changing out the springs when a more aggresive cam is used is smart, as it'll decrease the possibility for coil-bind occurring. (associated with more spring compression by higher lift on the cams vs. stock cams).
What he said.
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