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Old 08-16-2000, 10:07 PM   #1
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Question Question--Legacy GT vs Impreza RS

Just curious about the Legacy GT as compared to the RS (I know that you guys will be SLIGHTLY biased but thats OK )

I saw the "new" Impreza pics and followed the link to the Japanese B4 and was totally shocked to see that the Legacy is such a handsome car. Now the question is whether the Legacy is as fun to drive/own/maintain/tune as the Impreza RS. I would like a sedan with some room in the back and thought that the Impreza would be a fun and unique (and yet somehow still practical) sedan but the back seat is cramped at best.

Should I consider a Legacy? Pros and Cons would be appreciated.

(I realize that the Legacy is: heavier/slower and more expensive so we can skip those traits)

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Old 08-16-2000, 10:18 PM   #2
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Old 08-16-2000, 10:49 PM   #3
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I like the Legacy GT myself. I almost got one instead of the RS. It felt too much like my wife's Legacy Outback inside though and I wanted something a different. Both good cars though. I don't think you can go wrong either way.
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Old 08-16-2000, 10:57 PM   #4
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I'm a Legacy owner myself and have been pretty happy with my choice since 1995. For performance the Legacy can't compare to the RS, and there are more mods available for the Impreza. Having said that though I've made some mods on my car and it performs ten times better! I guess you just need to decide what's more important: Performance or Capacity?
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Old 08-16-2000, 11:01 PM   #5
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I would take the Impreza. The GT weighs in almost 400-500 pounds heavier and the engine is the same size. I would take the GT as soon as they put the H6 engine in it. I'm sure it will be in the GT sooner or later.
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Old 08-16-2000, 11:19 PM   #6
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I like the GT too. Its nice and seems to have more room. The only problem I had was my knee banged the steering wheel when I tried to shift, which doesn't happen in the RS. So I got an RS. I would have loved a black GT though.
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Old 08-17-2000, 12:06 AM   #7
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I have a 2Klegacy GT, not even a month old. its not as easy to find mods for this car is it is for the impreza, the car has great speed, excellcent room, i cant really find a reason why i dont like it...i love it cause its the same engine as the imprezaRS...prolly a con is it is a more bgger car, and heavier...but its more unique of a car, u hardly see these on the road, and much less a modified one...i say go the legacy if ya want room and comfyness, and we'll help each other...i got some things in almost order for my first mods...
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Old 08-17-2000, 12:15 AM   #8
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Well, Legacy is a more family orient than performance. I enjoy its semi luxry, 2 extra doors, and larger interior.

If you want a more performance orient car, Impreza will be the one to go with. If you perfer a more comfortable w/ occassional sporting then Legacy would be the one to go with.
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Old 08-17-2000, 07:04 AM   #9
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Isn't the MY00 Legacy's chassis the same as the B4? If so, I would think it would be a very good platform for mods. I'm assuming the MY00 Legacy chassis differs from the MY99 by more than just sheetmetal. I would guess Subaru made some improvements in the areas of stiffness and such.

The Legacy L Sedan may be a better starting point than the GT or GT Limited Sedan. You'll save yourself some money and some weight.

Curb weights:
Legacy L sedan 3255
Legacy GT sedan 3345
GT limited sedan 3370

Impreza RS sedan 2825

I believe a Legacy GT sedan would only need a front grill and lip spoiler to get it looking like a B4. I would hope that one of our Subaru aftermarket suppliers would be able to get the necessary B4 suspension parts or other suspension kits needed to achieve B4 or better handling.

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Old 08-17-2000, 08:08 AM   #10
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I have a GT and I am selling it in about a year. If you want to do mods or compete (auto x or rally x) get the RS or wait like me and get the turbo. The impreza is a much better car. The Legacy is just too big to be a serious competitor. I see too many old fat ladies driving the GT. (probably all autos too. )

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Old 08-17-2000, 08:17 AM   #11
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I would have bought a Legacy GT as well....if I had an extra $6000!!!
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Old 08-17-2000, 08:28 AM   #12
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Black tinted Legacy GT wagon = wagon with attitude!
I like 'em. Will prolly buy the H6 GT when it comes out instead of the turbo WRX. Maybe I am getting old and want something more refine....
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Old 08-17-2000, 09:20 AM   #13
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funny, we were just discussing this on
the Legacy forum...
http://www.impreza-rs.com/ubb-files/...ML/000426.html
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Old 08-17-2000, 09:54 AM   #14
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I LOVE MY GT!!!

hehehe....

ok... pros?? cons??

well i am biased.. but.. i chose the GT cuz i needed 4 doors... and the RS didn't have that option in 99... and i wanted a mean, aggressive looking AWD... and what i got was PURE HEAVEN!!

fun to drive???
hell yeah!! long trips, road trips, auto x, rallyx, off road just for the hell of it...
it's a blast...

easy to maintain?
u bet!! a 99 GT w/over 50K miles on it and not a single issue... and i am VERY er... hard... yeah... on my car...

tuning??? www.subiegal.com enough said. you can do anything w/this car...

my pros vs the RS... (some of u guys may want to shut your eyes here...)

*fold down rear seats
*trunk light (hehehehehe)
*inside gas hatch release
*GT seats MUCH more comfortable on long trips
*weight more evenly distributed (RS azz too light)
*trunk space (bigger than RS)

cons???
maybe a "tad" too heavy... (but still does great off road!!!)

that's about it...

if you have any questions... feel free to contact me...

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Old 08-17-2000, 11:03 AM   #15
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As an owner of 2 Legacys I have to agree w/ Subegal all the way!

I have a '99GT and a '98L

The Legacy is much more of a sleeper (even with mods) than compared with a RS. Plus insurance is cheaper!
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Old 08-17-2000, 11:44 AM   #16
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This side view does it for me: http://www.lumine.net/jat/subaru/legacyb4/photos/02.jpg After seeing this side view of a silver B4, minus the rear spoiler, is when I started having second thoughts about the Impreza. Especially when comparing it to the pics of the next generation Impreza.

Sorry SubieGal, I even think the new Legacy sheetmetal looks better than your car. Subaru really did a good job giving it an aggressive yet nicely understated look. Now put a set of DMS struts on a MY00-01 GT, add B4 grill, front lip spoiler, and a set of good tires and you'll have yourself one very nice handling sleeper that few people this side of the pond would recognize.

gr8fuljack,
Just to clarify, were you looking for comparisons between the latest MY00 Legacy GT and the Impreza RS, or older Legacy GTs, MY99 and earlier?
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Old 08-17-2000, 11:49 AM   #17
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The comparisons are for the '95-'99 Model Legacys...

I don't really like the look of the new GT.. especially the front end.. the bumper looks plain ugly! The rear looks nice though....the B4 and the B4 RSK on the other hand are very handsome looking cars! - mind you not as agressive looking as the '97-'99 GT's.

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Old 08-17-2000, 12:00 PM   #18
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Nah, I used to like the boxy Legacys pre 00s. now I think they are boxy. THe new one requires time to accept and I love it now. It flows with the trend nicely. Classy and performance like
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Old 08-17-2000, 12:04 PM   #19
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I owned a 98 Legacy GT and a 00 Legacy GT limited. I have to say that MY00 Legacy BE/BH chassis is noticablely stiffer than the BD/BG 99 or older ones. BE/BH also has more refine interior than BD/BG series.

I believe US version has different front and rear bumper than B4/RSK. The rear bumper of US version does not have a dent for muffler vs Japanese version (minor difference). B4 front bumper also has a different fog lamp and more distingish front bumper.

I paid $26.5K out the door for the Limited model (M/T), including the useless permium speakers. IMO, I paid $500 too much for the car.


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Old 08-17-2000, 12:59 PM   #20
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Jason,
You're right. The bumpers are different all together. I thought the front bumpers were the same with just the B4 having an additional lip spoiler, but I was wrong. The side skirts do appear similar. And the headlights are similar, except the B4 has clear corners. So it may cost a little more to make the US BE/BH Legacy look like a B4 than I originally exspected, but it would still be worth it.
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Old 08-17-2000, 06:20 PM   #21
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Akiata, you must not be trying hard enough! Just ask the New England guys if a Legacy 2.5GT can perform. I didn't even do that well at Loudon (the SCCA event where a bunch of us NESIC types met), yet I came within 0.5sec (raw time) of KC in his 2.5RS. With one more run, I *may* have been able to catch him.

bryanw - $6000??!! My Legacy was only about $3000 or so more than what people say they paid for their 2.5RS. Granted, $3000 ain't chump change, but it's a heckuva lot better than $6000.

Obviously it all comes down to a matter of taste. I already have a sports car, and decided that I'd rather go with something a bit more civilized than the Impreza. The performance difference between the two cars is just about negligible - I'd bet that in a stoplight drag we'd be just about neck and neck, depending on who got the better jump at the light. Same thing on the highway.

When I bought my car the other vehicle I considered was the Jeep Cherokee Sport. I went with the Legacy because it looks like a BMW (quite a few people think it looks like a Bimmer, esp with the GT's BBS lookin' rims), and yet it has AWD and costs $15k less than an a 328i. Little did I know at the time that the thing could also handle like a BMW, and would surprise BMWs on the open track and at auto-x events.

As for parts availability, there's really no problem. The stuff we're most likely to modify (drivetrain, exhaust, suspension) basically all fits straight off an Impreza. Styling components are definitely hard to come by, and when it comes to suspension the various coil-over setups won't really work due to the Legacy's greater weight. Other than that it's all good.

I wouldn't mind having a 2.5RS, but I think I personally am happier with the added space and semi-luxury of the 2.5GT. To each his own.

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Old 08-17-2000, 06:47 PM   #22
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I have to admit, I had my mind and heart set on getting the 4dr Impreza. I was all over the local dealers like flys to S**t!!

Then one of the dealers happened to have a 1 year used '99 Legacy GT Ltd by the front door. I had to admit, the Legacy was a lot more comfortable and nicer amendities. I knew it was around 500lbs heavier, but I knew it had the same engine and therefore would have a decent amount of aftermarket parts for it.

After i drove in it I was hooked!

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Old 08-17-2000, 06:54 PM   #23
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Thanks for the input guys--keep it coming!
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Old 08-17-2000, 08:56 PM   #24
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Pat, I do really well at auto xes and was passing RS's at a track day but just think what 500lbs less would do. I could probably win STS. Also, you don't get all of the looks from the ladies driving a GT like you do in a RS unless you have a bunch of ricey stickers on your car. Not that I really care if I get a bunch of looks but there is a thread every once in a while about that and everybody seems to think it is so cool. And what is all of this luxury everybody is talking about? Fake wood trim? I think the wood is pretty ugly.

And what was this about the RS's being too light in the back? Or should I say azz? Um, no. The RS is a much better car I am afraid.
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Old 08-17-2000, 10:00 PM   #25
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Akiata, I'm with you on the wood trim. That was one of my special requests to the dealer when I bought my car - get rid of the wood trim!! On the Limited, atleast it kind of looked OK, because they had "wood" on the stereo/climate control surround, and around the switch panels on the doors. But the regular GT just looked stupid, because the fake wood was only those little bits on the doors - why bother? It just didn't jive with anything else. So, I have regular black plastic throughout the car, no fake wood highlights.

It's also good to hear you do well racing - I retract my earlier snipe. Yeah, it certainly would be nice to be running a few hundred pounds lighter. For whatever it's worth, I think the '99s are only about 300# heavier, rather than 500# heavier - my '99 weighed in at 3250# with me in it and about 1/4 tank of gas. So, figure about 3325# fully loaded, or about 3135# without me in it - much better than the 3345# for the '00 GT.

As for luxury, I guess it's just the spaciousness. The materials are very similar between the two cars, but the Legacy is really quite spacious for a rather small car. A 4 door 2.5RS is nice, but it still doesn't improve the lack of space in the rear set, it just makes it easier to get back there.

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