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Old 10-23-2000, 05:01 PM   #1
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Okay, so how do you do it?
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Old 10-23-2000, 06:17 PM   #2
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Turn one way, then turn the other way really fast. Hit the brakes a bit if you want. It helps break the tail loose and point the car into an acuate corner. Don't do this on dry, paved roads the first time.
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Old 10-23-2000, 06:21 PM   #3
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Check www.drivingtechniques.co.uk for all sorts of AWD driving tips

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Old 10-23-2000, 06:30 PM   #4
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I've got a great formula for this.

Big rear sway bar = Very smooth flick.
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Old 10-23-2000, 06:40 PM   #5
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From elsewhere on this forum--se for yourself: http://www.scoobynet.co.uk/video/22b-Pendulum.mpg
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Old 10-23-2000, 06:48 PM   #6
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Simon De Banke.. The driver in that video is the "owner" of the driving techniques site that I mentioned above. demo's lottsa cars and also drive a rally car for relaxation

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Old 10-23-2000, 07:10 PM   #7
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isn't that just drifting?
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Old 10-23-2000, 07:53 PM   #8
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It's a way to do a nice tight drift. I haven't done one, I'll stick with a standard drift
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Old 10-24-2000, 06:14 PM   #9
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Its fun to do on gravel
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Old 10-24-2000, 09:53 PM   #10
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I do it on the gravel at the parking lot where I work...Really easy...If you want to do a good one easily, just find yerself some gravel and come to a full stop. Make sure you have plenty of room in front of you (and to the sides just in case). Take a quick launch and as soon as you're flying forward spin the wheel in one direction until you're good into the turn, then spin the wheel back. On gravel you shouldn't need to tap the brakes to break loose. (I think this is a flick, hehe...)
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Old 10-24-2000, 10:19 PM   #11
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I learn from Tim O'Neil at his driving school. www.team-neil.com

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Old 10-25-2000, 03:26 AM   #12
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Hi All

The scandinavian flick is a not an simple one in a 4WD car (particularly on tarmac).

The flick I did in the video posted above was made easier by the 22B's centre diff conrol, which was set all the way to the back (fully open). The changes the car to behave almost like a RWD car.

On gravel / snow / etc .... 4WD is lovely for this, but it is not as simple as people think...

First of all, the reason for a flick is to give commitment to the turn in of a bend and create a more agressive change of direction...

When hammering down a forest track towards a hairpin you need to plan how to get round the thing. If you just drove up to it, slowed down and then steering round it normally you would have to be going so slowly that you may as well walk . Also you stand a FAR higher risk of going off the road through understeer.

The flick enables you to commit at high speed to the turn in, by using the pendulum effect of the weight of the car to provide the turning forces rather than the front tyres.

There are countless ways of creating a flick, but I suppose the most straight forward (using that phrase lightly), is this...

Gravel Road / convex surface (ditches at sides of the road) / tanking down a straight in 5th gear towards a hairpin right...

Brake hard to kill some speed, as you change down to 4th change your braking steer slightly left and drop the clutch to unsettle the car in to a very slight skid to the left. Oposite lock and keep braking to keep the tail out and kill some speed (a sideways tyre kills speed quickly in the forest).

Change to 3rd, wind on a bit more oposite lock, drop the clutch and come off the brake for a split second and the car will swap into a skid towards the right.

Brake nice and hard (if you've done everything correctly you would be slightly more sideways than you were in the last one), and repeat the same as the last transition in the other direction as you change to 2nd...

You're aiming to be pretty sideways now as this is the last one before the turn in....

Timing is everything, but you have a small chance now to make adjustments for any small ****-ups you've made in you timing from when you started braking....

Hit the brakes hard and lock up all 4 wheels (clutch in oobviously) which will send the car in it's last state prertty much straight down the road, and hold it like that until the big moment when you want to commit to the bend...

Wind on lots of oposite lock, drop the brakes, feather the gas, and let out the clutch as you let the car swing round to the right and wind on oposite lock to counter the powerslide to the right (into the hairpin)...

This is (as i said) just one way of doing it. There are countless methods...

It has to be said though, it is one of the best feelings you can have in a car (what a sad life I lead!!)

Cheers

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Old 10-25-2000, 03:48 AM   #13
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Simon,
I would just like to tell you about the best feeling I ever had in car, it was ............

Oh, it's not that sort of board is it?


On a more serious note, I have been having a good look around your driving techniques site, and whilst it is very informative, it is rather difficult to follow and even more so to put into practice I would imagine. You describe in very lengthy detail what happens in seconds or fractions of a second.

Having driven all sorts of FWD and RWD cars over the years, I am familiar with, and used most of the techniques you describe with some success. However, I now feel that I am not going to be able to enjoy my Scoob after reading your advice, for driving them fast is fraught with danger and panel bending oppurtunities!

So in short, thankyou for potentially saving me thousands of pounds in damage, but damn you for resigning me to a life wishing I could get more out of it!!!

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P.S. Yes, you really should get out more! How about showing me how to drive my car properly, for instance?
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Old 10-25-2000, 01:56 PM   #14
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Wow Simon, that was really good. Now how about with an automatic? How do I flick an automatic?

Oh, and is there a clip of a flick somewhere I can watch so that I know what it actually looks like?
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Old 10-25-2000, 02:31 PM   #15
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Set the car up full oversteer. Just before getting into a nice left-hander, cut right for an instant and then back left. The rear will be so unsettled it'll come around and you'll have to countersteer to come around sideways without spinning.

Brain, you should know this, I do it at every autocross I run in. Next time I see ya I'll take you for a ride and show you how it's done.

Simon - You have the definite advantage of power over there. I wish I could bring my car over there for a beatdown session like in those vids to see what you think of the setup I've got going.
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