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Old 11-16-2000, 01:36 PM   #1
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Post What's the difference b/t a 5dr hatch and a wagon?

That's my question. What makes say a car wagon and the other hatch? Or are they the same but differ due to countries? If the Impreza wagon is a wagon since it has 5drs....then is a golf 5dr wagon too? No but it's considered a 5dr hatch. Is the the extra C pillar and D pillar? well I think some old Ford hatchbacks has those too....
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Old 11-16-2000, 01:40 PM   #2
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None, in my opinion. A 3 door hatch is a hatchback (in North America) and a 5 door is a wagon.
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Old 11-16-2000, 02:01 PM   #3
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Early '90s Mazda 626, available in a 5-door/hatch, could not be confused with a wagon.
Now-previous generation Mondeo, available in Euro in a 5-door hatch configuration, could not be confused with a wagon.

Basically, the 5-door/hatch retains most of the lines of a 4-door sedan...but with a bit more sloping to the rear section. No D-pillar or associated sheetmetal or glass.

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Old 11-16-2000, 04:03 PM   #4
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From my point of view, a wagon's roof extends further back and isn't as sloped.

I used to have a Saab 9000 Turbo hatchback (5 drs), and there is no way I would've called it a wagon.
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Old 11-16-2000, 06:21 PM   #5
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You could have gotten out of the Saab's 5th door though [not easily, but I've done it]. I have an OBS, and I can definitely NOT get out of the rear door. Don't ask why I had to try...hehe
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Old 11-16-2000, 08:23 PM   #6
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well the golfs doesn't have a slope rear. In fact I would hasten our Impreza wagons has a sloppier rear than those....
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Old 11-17-2000, 08:41 AM   #7
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I've allways thought of the difference between a 5dr Wagon and a 5dr hatch is the distance between the rear tire and the rear bumper. Look at the Euro Focus 5dr Hatch and the american Focus Wagon. I personlay think of the impreza "wagon" as a 5dr hatch as it has a steeply sloped rear window, and not much rear overhang. The Forester is more of a wagon with near vertical rear glass, and still has a moderatly long rear end.

BTW there are 3dr wagons also.
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Old 11-17-2000, 09:59 AM   #8
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I think it's the extra set of windows behind the C-pillar.... the Golf's don't have that...
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Old 11-17-2000, 10:01 AM   #9
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here's a good comparison, look at the Ford Focus... it has the Euro 5-door hatch, and the NA station wagon...

anyone wanna post both pics?
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Old 11-17-2000, 10:07 AM   #10
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okay i'll do it:







well, looks like this doesn't bode well for my argument... there is a small window behind the c-pillar...
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Old 11-17-2000, 10:24 AM   #11
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thanks for confusig me more stickee...
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Old 11-17-2000, 10:42 AM   #12
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im going with the "distance from the rear wheel to the bumper" argument!

IF you see, the middle pic (5 door hatch focus) the rear wheel is close to the bumper, on the other pics is more distanced.. (bigger cargo area on the back)

Golf 5 door is not a wagon...
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Old 11-17-2000, 11:35 AM   #13
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So.... since the Impreza 5drs have the same rear wheel distance to the rear bumper as the sedans....then... huh?



not much rear hang to me....

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Old 11-17-2000, 01:34 PM   #14
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Wagon vs. hatch is somewhat subjective, and an Impreza is right on the borderline I think. But to futher confuse things, remember that some 3-door hatchbacks come in 5-door versions that have indential dimensions in shapes, with only door and pillars varying a bit. For example, I've seen 5-door Aspire hatchbacks and 5-door Metro hatchbacks (the older style)--just the same shape as the 3-door. And I even saw an old VW that was long and boxy--a classic wagon shape--but it had 3 doors, no back doors at all. And for government purposes, SUVs are even considered wagons....

I think it comes down to a subjective impression of shape, size, rear slope, etc.--nothing clear-cut. The Impreza looks like a wagon in the pictures, but in person I can't imagine calling it anything but a hatchback.
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Old 11-17-2000, 01:55 PM   #15
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I agree it is definitely subjective. Maybe one more thing to add is cargo space. Station wagons always had plenty of room, the grocery getter, the kid hauler for soccer games, etc... Not that the OBS has an abundant amount of space. But it does have more than a sedan does. While the rabbit was never designed to haul a lot of stuff. I'm not saying that it can't fit a lot of stuff in there, but that's not what it was designed for.

I don't know, just throwing out ideas. But, I consider the OBS a wagon.
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Old 11-17-2000, 04:46 PM   #16
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the impreza is a hatch, the focus is a wagon... the reason is becasue the wheelbase on the impreza is the same for the sedan adn the 5-door. They can also call it a sportwagon, because it doesnt have the cargo area as the legacy wagon (which is a wagon) and it is based entirely on the same frame and body as the sedan. If they had to change it to accomodate more cargo space, it would be a wagon. Hope this helps...
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Old 11-18-2000, 06:40 AM   #17
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welll doesn't the legacy wagons share the same platform as the sedan Legacys as well too?
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Old 11-18-2000, 08:09 AM   #18
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Yes they are. However since its a unibody the term "platform" is a bit fuzzy.

Its interesting the 90-91 legacy sedan and wagon use the exact same floor panels, or so the factory collision guide claims. However the upper shell seems to change from the winshiled support back.
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Eh Gambit, did you get new rims? MY00's? Looks good on the OBS!
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Old 11-19-2000, 03:13 PM   #20
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Stickee : I got it for good deal, not gonna complain.
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Old 11-19-2000, 03:19 PM   #21
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It would seem that "wagons" have more of a truck-bed type trunk. Dont hatchbacks have about the same lateral amount of trunkspace as a sedan, just more room to stack upwards?
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