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Old 11-16-2000, 09:35 AM   #1
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Question US WRX at 215hp; It's not that bad people!

I understand that everyone would like the new WRX to have the same output as the JDM spec cars, but living in the US I don't think we are going to get that.

But it doesn't seem that anyone has pointed out a few simple facts:

The 1999 Eclipse GSX came with 210hp from the factory, and cost $27K-$28K. The new WRX will/may have 5hp more at a few grand less. You guys know as wll as anyone what a "few" grand in mods can do. With a "few" grand in mods my 95 GSX is pushing 300hp. The WRX will have (in some opinions) a better drivetrain than the GSX, and in a sedan (or wagon). And it appears that SOA cares more about the niche market we created than Mistu has recently, which is another plus.

Also, as was the case with the GSX, the US spec WRX will most likely be de-tuned in a few ways where simple bolt-on mods will get you back to that 250hp area relatively quickly.

When I started reading this message board a year or so back, a US WRX was just a dream for many owners/fans, but in less than 6 months a good number of you will be driving, washing, modding, and simply admiring one of these vehicles...on US soil.

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Old 11-16-2000, 11:39 AM   #2
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MMmmm . . . Bolt on mods . ..
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Old 11-16-2000, 11:48 AM   #3
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Correctomundo!

The GSX was priced at $27-$28K because they wanted to kill the line to make way for the 3rd Gen. It was only valued at around $23K.

And...that Car weighed in at a hefty 3300lbs.

Count your blessings people.
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Old 11-16-2000, 11:50 AM   #4
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The GSX weighs 3,300lbs!!!! Where is all the weight??? Certainly not in the frame (read: unibody) I have worked on those and they seem pretty flimsy to me.

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Old 11-16-2000, 11:52 AM   #5
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The GSX weighs 3,300lbs!!!! Where is all the weight???
In the AWD system and the iron blocks.

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Old 11-16-2000, 11:52 AM   #6
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Why just a 4 door?!

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Old 11-16-2000, 11:52 AM   #7
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I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the 91'-92' Galant VR4 weighed less than that years GSX! Explain that one...
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Old 11-16-2000, 01:49 PM   #8
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maybe the lower spec "de-tuned" image will yield lower insurance premiums too. I mean 245hp from the factory, that sounds like something that'll freak out my agent!
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Old 11-16-2000, 01:59 PM   #9
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I test drove a GSX in 99, The salesman said to me: drive it like I'm not in the car!!

My responce was "Your kidding,right"

I don't think he'll saying that to anybody again!

But getting back to the topic. The GSX came very close to being my car that day, The WRX will be an even better car than the Eclipse by the look of things. It will be lighter 3-400lbs and more power. Yummie

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Old 11-16-2000, 02:05 PM   #10
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Mitsubishi uses a new very hi-tech safty feature in the car. It's called a lead floorpan.
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Old 11-16-2000, 02:43 PM   #11
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Data point:
I bought my new 98 GSX in November of 97(loaded... lim. slip, ABS, etc) for $23,660. It was the new model year (just slight interior trim differences), and was fresh on the lot (just a few days). MSRP was in the high $26/low $27 range, but you'd be nuts to pay it.

I got the best price I know of for the 98GSX... it seems most paid mid-$24 to $25k.

Yes... the GSX was heavy... the car was already heavy before the AWD added approx 200 lbs... that's why the GSX is the stoplight terror but the GST is a the highway monster (weight advantage once you're moving)

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Old 11-16-2000, 05:17 PM   #12
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Given the limit performance of cars importet to the US you'd have to be happy that you're getting a turbo at all. Mitsu didn't give up on the performance market. They just gave up in the US. The GSX was roughly 1% of their yearly sales in the US. That's not enough to make it worth while. Total between both times living in Japan I've been here about 3 1/2yrs now. In all that time I've seen 2 Eclipses. They just weren't popular within Japan. Mitsubishi does however make some great cars even today. With emissions, impact standards, lawsuits, poor quality gas and a market that wants SUV's they aren't about to send the US another sports car. Just be happy with what is coming and maybe in a few years the car might be improved.
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Old 11-16-2000, 08:04 PM   #13
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The WRX may raise the bar for other manufacturers. I'll look into my crystal ball...a 2003 or 2004 Mazda RX-evolv? How about a Golf 4 Motion 24v VR6? Ford Focus R? The BMW 2002? The new Mini? The new Integra replacement? I wouldn't be surprised if the under $25000 sportscar market lights up- more of a pride thing for car companies than making money. Look at the roadster phenomenon recently. Gets people into the dealership and gets brand recognition.

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Old 11-16-2000, 09:40 PM   #14
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The Golf V6 was already tested against the new WRX 215hp, and lost bigtime.
0-60 5.7 sec(WRX) Vs. 7.2 (Golf)
they also critisized the Golf's chassis and said it was awful even dangerous when pushed!
Focus will be only FWD, as they find it to hard and expensive to fit AWD to the rear multi link sussppension.
Intgera, should be around 260hp (according to "Autoexpress) good looking, but again only 2WD(rumors say RWD, like the S2000).
New mini: the Cooper S will be around 160hp.
What you should wait for is to see if Subaru will bring the STI version to the U.S in 18 months like they plan in England (I guess it's up to you guys, if the base WRX is a succsses),
and if Mitsubishi and Nissan will follow their lead and bring the Evo and Skyline!
then your market will heat up!
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Old 11-16-2000, 09:52 PM   #15
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N/A, not to mention that with all the import taxes to Japan, that the Eclipses were crazy expensive! Compared to the sports cars that they already had to choose from, the Eclipse didn't stand much of a chance. That's right, I said IMPORT taxes to Japan, the only place in the world that Eclipses are made is in Ohio.

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Old 11-16-2000, 09:55 PM   #16
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N/A, what sportscar is Mitsu sending to us?


I like the new Impreza, besides its styling, but there are ways to fix that, so I'm all for it.
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Old 11-17-2000, 12:34 AM   #17
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The two-door didn't sell well enough, world-wide, to have them build another one.

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Old 11-17-2000, 12:54 AM   #18
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New Mini Cooper w/ 160hp will be UNDER $20k...
Same with whatver Focus-R/RS/SVT model comes out.

Thats not quite the $25k range, but they will compete (and for $5k less)!
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Old 11-17-2000, 01:21 AM   #19
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I don't like to post rumors so I will leave any Mitsubishi or Nissan rumor to somebody else. All I can say is that its a shame people have to buy one model of car in hopes that later on they will have the chance to buy the model they wanted to buy from the very beginning. Maybe you should just write your congressman about allowing a grey import market.
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Old 11-17-2000, 01:12 PM   #20
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dsmawd,

The Eclipse was actually built in Normal, IL. Every Talon, Laser, Eclipse, Avenger, and Sebring Coupe rolled off this assembly line.

It's also the same plant that was in the news a few years ago due to sexual harassment suits popping up among the female plant workers.

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Old 11-17-2000, 01:22 PM   #21
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The new Focus SVT will only get 170HP.
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Old 11-18-2000, 05:33 PM   #22
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220 horsepower is ok... keeps the insurance companies at bay. I'm just disappointed in the 2.0 liter engine. I wanted the 2.5! Maybe I'll just buy an extremely discounted MY01 RS2.5 and use the $7k savings for an aftermarket turbo. Hello 250!



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Old 11-18-2000, 05:46 PM   #23
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Don't know if it will be available in the States, but the UK version of the Focus RS will have 220Hp... Front drive, turbo.
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Old 11-18-2000, 08:56 PM   #24
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Its getting close to the quarterly sales figures coming out from Subaru in Japan. Looks like we will get to see if this car is turning out to be a failure in their home market or not.
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