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Old 04-01-2004, 11:49 PM   #1
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The Group Buy is officially over. After 3 sample products were built over the past several months, and after a number of product enhancements/improvements we are proud to introduce MadDad(TM) Metal, our aptly renamed downpipe. In production now for immediate availability. You folks who had pre-orders, we will begin our shipments to starting Monday. Thanks for the orders and support !

These photos are #1 of from the real production version of the downpipe.


T304 Stainless Steel right down to the flange. Hi-Flow Metal Substrate cat. 3" Primary plumbing. Quality TIG welds. Compatible with factory 3rd cat, Stromung Hi-Flow Metal Substrate 3rd cat, MadDad(TM) 3CE 3rd cat eliminator, and all bolt-on 3rd cat eliminators. Retail $419, $549 with MadDad(TM) 3CE, $699 with Stromung Hi-Flow Metal Substrate 3rd cat.



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Twin Dump with wastegate separator flange to avoid turbulence.



The origonal - where this project started





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A major change to the production version of our MadDad(TM) Twin Dump Downpipe w/Hi-flow Cat will see it wearing a very high quality metal substrate cat in place of the ceramic based unit it was origonally spec'd with. After seeing the initial demand in way of many pre-orders, we were able to work a deal to build this downpipe with a hi flow metal substrate cat for a reasonable cost difference. Those that had an early pre-order were given a special offer on the "metal" version. We are going to let an adjusted(price) pre-order run till the end of this week. The downpipe starts production this week. We will have updated photo's by end of week.

Retail price is set at $419
Pre-Orders $359
Pre-Order Combo w/MadDad(TM) 3CE $519
Pre-Order Combo w/MadDad(TM) Halfback $709 (creates full 3" turboback w/Cat, less axleback exhaust)

Like all MadDad(TM) exhaust products you get a 14 day no question money back gaurantee(purchase price less freight). You don't get that from any other exhaust product line.

MadDad(TM) Halfback is due out by mid-June. It is a new 2 piece setup consisting of a new MadDad(TM) 3CE that stays 3" (as opposed to tapering back down to 2.5") and mates to our new 3" intermeidate pipe with SS flex-joint designed to mount to any 2.5" axleback. Take a MadDad(TM) Twin Dump Downpipe w/Hi-Flow Cat and MadDad(TM) Halfback and you have just completed a MadDad(TM) SuperStealth Turboback w/Hi-Flow Cat.

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Old 04-02-2004, 04:33 PM   #2
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Hi. How's the sound level and fit quality with the downpipe, 3CE and Borla hush? My current Helix / Hush combo's not too hush, so I'm looking for something a little more quiet, but still flows well.
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Old 04-02-2004, 09:39 PM   #3
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Fit and quality are excellent. They are part of the reason we feel confident in our money back gaurantee policy. The DP is built from a jig configured to the factory DP. As far as sound level. There is definately a noticable reduction in exhaust volume. Not night and day mind you, but enough that you notice the change. I've also found there is less apparent wastegate flutter as compared to some other downpipes. I have never used a Helix so I can not comment how it would compare in that regard. As far as performance I am out of my chair with excitement on how well this pipe performs with the EcuTek remap we were previously fine tuning for a catless downpipe. The car is actually stronger(more torque) with the cat in place than without. I posted some road dyno numbers in the Announcement forum where this item was origonally announced. Keep in mind that these numbers are with an EcuTek remap(but not retuned with the DP swap) and we have the downpipe mated to our MadDad(TM) 3CE pipe, which the catless DP was mated to as well. I'm installing a Borla Hush on the car this weekend. There should be no fitment issue at all. I've had 3 different exhausts all mated to our MadDad(TM) 3CE without any fitment issues since our MadDad(MT) 3CE uses a factory style 2.5" donut gasket connection. Let me know if you have any other questions.

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Old 04-04-2004, 12:29 AM   #4
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Looks like a great product! My situation sounds exactly like what you were testing - Ecutek reflash for a catless DP and I want to add in a cat without having to reflash. Your tests sound encouraging.
Is there a pre-order price for the DP-3CE combo? I'd need both, although I realize that even at $469 it sounds like a good deal.
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Old 04-04-2004, 01:15 AM   #5
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Looks like a great product! My situation sounds exactly like what you were testing - Ecutek reflash for a catless DP and I want to add in a cat without having to reflash. Your tests sound encouraging.
Is there a pre-order price for the DP-3CE combo? I'd need both, although I realize that even at $469 it sounds like a good deal.
$469 is the pre-order combo price for the DP and 3CE. Our 3CE is normally $199. When pre-ordering with the DP your paying $150.

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Old 04-05-2004, 05:24 AM   #6
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following the development of your STEALTH line for a while....getting close!

however, w/all the updates and new introductions/revisions (3" non-tapering mid pipe), I'm getting a bit confused, regarding compatiblity/interchangability of the STEALTH parts w/OEM (stock) ones.

Basically, will the new, 3" midpipe bolt up to the OEM, axleback muffler?

What STEALTH route would one choose for using the whole, OEM cat back exhaust (midpipe & axleback)?

Any chance of getting the OEM turbo heatshield back on w/the Daddy's twin dump downpipe?

Finally, any CEL fixes required for running any (all) the STEALTH parts?

Thanks in advance,

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Old 04-05-2004, 11:08 AM   #7
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following the development of your STEALTH line for a while....getting close!

however, w/all the updates and new introductions/revisions (3" non-tapering mid pipe), I'm getting a bit confused, regarding compatiblity/interchangability of the STEALTH parts w/OEM (stock) ones.

Basically, will the new, 3" midpipe bolt up to the OEM, axleback muffler?

What STEALTH route would one choose for using the whole, OEM cat back exhaust (midpipe & axleback)?

Any chance of getting the OEM turbo heatshield back on w/the Daddy's twin dump downpipe?

Finally, any CEL fixes required for running any (all) the STEALTH parts?

Thanks in advance,

CL
Factory Bolt-Ons that can be mixed and matched at will with the OEM pieces would be the DP and regular 3CE that has been out for some time. The new 3CE that is part of the "Halfback" does not use donut gasket, and stays 3" diameter and is intended to mate to our matching 3" intermediate pipe. Because its designed to mate with another flat flange(rather than donut gasket) the 3" intermediate pipe should also be a good matches to Helix/Invidia downpipes or similar downpipes that do not use the donut gasket.

In regards to cels. You will never get a cel by removing the 3rd cat because it comes after the rear 02 sensor and doesn't get measured. You should not receive a cel with our catted DP either. We really don't have the 10's of thousands of miles to make this claim with absolute authority, but with the cat doing its job, it simply shouldn't happen, and hasn't thus far.

If your looking to retain the factory "catback" section you are looking for the DP and the current 3CE that uses the donut gasket, which is the $469 combo above.

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Old 04-06-2004, 01:04 PM   #8
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Hey Rich,

Will you always have that combo deal for $469?
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Old 04-07-2004, 12:19 AM   #9
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Hey Rich,

Will you always have that combo deal for $469?
We'll always have some combo deal with the other MadDad(TM) exhaust products, but they will be a few $$ higher, more like $499.

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Old 04-07-2004, 02:26 AM   #10
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Man, I've been waiting for this group buy.

I'll order tomorrow!
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Old 04-07-2004, 12:33 PM   #11
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our new 3" intermeidate pipe with SS flex-joint designed to mount to any 2.5" axleback.
So if I have a Helix 3" DP and a 2.5" Prodrive axleback (both with flat flanges), I can replace my OEM center-rear pipe with this new pipe you're coming out with? How does this pipe taper? And what's the ETA?
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Old 04-08-2004, 12:32 AM   #12
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So if I have a Helix 3" DP and a 2.5" Prodrive axleback (both with flat flanges), I can replace my OEM center-rear pipe with this new pipe you're coming out with? How does this pipe taper? And what's the ETA?
Yes, that is the idea. Keep in mind our first priority was to have it mate with our own pieces but we made some decisions in design that should make it a good fit for the Helix. We don't carry the Helix ourselves so we will obviously need the first Helix "beta" tester to be 100% sure of the fitment. If the factory 2.5" pipe fits the Helix(and it does of course) then our pipe should as well since the bolt arrangement(and pipe length) is the same and we are using a flat flange rather than the flared trumpet of most intermediate pipes. So this pipe is designed for a standard flat crush gasket rather than the thick donut gasket that the factory 3rd cat pipe needs. We also put the flex joint in knowing you don't have that with the Helix designed flange arrangement. The pipe stays 3" until you get to the end where it mates with the axleback. It necks down smoothly to mate with the 2.5" flange at that point. ETA is before end of month, but the later half for sure. Pics will be posted as soon as they arrive.

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Old 04-08-2004, 01:48 PM   #13
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hmmm... making me consider giving up going for the TXS system (since I'm still missing the DP). wonder how much i can get for those two pieces and possibly switch to yours.
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Yes, that is the idea. Keep in mind our first priority was to have it mate with our own pieces but we made some decisions in design that should make it a good fit for the Helix. We don't carry the Helix ourselves so we will obviously need the first Helix "beta" tester to be 100% sure of the fitment. If the factory 2.5" pipe fits the Helix(and it does of course) then our pipe should as well since the bolt arrangement(and pipe length) is the same and we are using a flat flange rather than the flared trumpet of most intermediate pipes. So this pipe is designed for a standard flat crush gasket rather than the thick donut gasket that the factory 3rd cat pipe needs. We also put the flex joint in knowing you don't have that with the Helix designed flange arrangement. The pipe stays 3" until you get to the end where it mates with the axleback. It necks down smoothly to mate with the 2.5" flange at that point. ETA is before end of month, but the later half for sure. Pics will be posted as soon as they arrive.

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Cool! If you'll need a Helix beta tester, let me know.
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Old 04-11-2004, 01:41 PM   #15
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Wow, that is the exact exhaust setup that I was just asking another vendor if they could put together for me. How long is the pre-sale price going to last? I think someone else already mentioned it as well, but any chance of getting the stock heat shield back on?(cutting req. I assume)

edit: Just to make sure, is the DP full 3", ie. it does not taper to 2.5" to mate to factory 3rd cat sections? One last thing, do you have a more specific date when you will have these in and able to ship(I have access to a lift 1st Saturday of the month, which sadly is May 1)

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OK, maybe I'm not reading this correctly, but does the intermediate pipe stay 3"?

From what I get it's 2.5" at the end which to me defeats the purpose. I'm really happy to see the full 3" CE, but I'm just a bit confused with the intermediate.

I'm going for a FULL 3" all the way because I'll be running a 3" straight pipe or turn down axle section for racing. I certainly don't need it tapering to 2.5".

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slack20123 - The pre-sale pricing will be valid until we receive our first run which is expected by the end of the month. We should be able to get product to you in time for your May 1 date. Yes, the DP exits 3". It uses the flange we used for our MadDad(TM) 3CE and is similiar to Stromungs twin dump downpipes setup(as far as the flanges are concerned). Haven't tried putting the heatshield back on yet.

Orion - You do have it correct. The intermediate pipe section makes a slight taper at the end so it can be used with the likes of Prodrive, ScoobySport, Stromung and a number of other bolt-on axleback exahuts, all of which use a 2.5" flange. It also makes for a nice stealthback setup for those that are looking to keep the factory exhaust as well, put still reap most of the benefit of a 3" exhaust system. It really doesn't defeat the purpose with the taper primarily because we're so far downstream at this point that exahaust pressure is no where near what it is up by the turbo. The primary flow difference will be how well your 2.5" axleback flows at this point. Also keep in mind many of the 3" catback exhausts have a 2.5" taper where they meet with the factory 3rd cat(or DP). There are some pure 3" systems out there though. Take a Helix DP and a Vibrant catback for instance. Put those to together and bamn, there's 3" from the turbo back. What's ironic about the whole thing is that the turbo exists 2.5" no mater what you have after it.

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Old 04-15-2004, 07:40 PM   #18
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I haven't been able to find any pictures of your new halfback. I was wondering if the new two-piece, 3" halfback would have the same "appearance" as your standard 3CE. I would like a rather stock-looking appearance under the car up to where my Greddy EVO starts.

Also, just want to confirm that the catted DP is also made of stainless steel (especially if this first run will not be ceramic coated).


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I haven't been able to find any pictures of your new halfback. I was wondering if the new two-piece, 3" halfback would have the same "appearance" as your standard 3CE. I would like a rather stock-looking appearance under the car up to where my Greddy EVO starts.

Also, just want to confirm that the catted DP is also made of stainless steel (especially if this first run will not be ceramic coated).


thank you
We don't have have the one-off on the Halfback setup yet. Some delays with the ss flex section. The first sourced ss flex sections were poor quality so it's taking slightly longer. The 3CE portion will be like the current 3CE with the same heatshield installed in the same spot as the current 3CE we sell. The only difference will be the flange that connects to the intermediate pipe. It will be a standard 3" flange with a thin flat gasket rather than the factory donut. We'll have photos up as soon as we have something to show. The DP will be stainless steel, including the flanges. The only non SS part is the heatshield on the cat.

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OK... So in all my glorious ignorance, I've got a few questions...

I have a greddy sp2 catback, which has a non donut gasket intermediate pipe... So I would need the 3" 3ce and the dp, right? and I'd be golden?

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ps: what kind of cat are you using in there?
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Old 04-21-2004, 12:17 AM   #21
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OK... So in all my glorious ignorance, I've got a few questions...

I have a greddy sp2 catback, which has a non donut gasket intermediate pipe... So I would need the 3" 3ce and the dp, right? and I'd be golden?

--fed

ps: what kind of cat are you using in there?
We're going to need to verify whether the new 3" 3CE will be universally compatible with the all of the "non" donut gasket friendly catbaks, but shooting from the hip it should be good to go. We'll offer a no questions refund if it doesn't. We're using a 3" CarSound/MagnaFlow Hi-Flow Cat.

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I notice your cat is higher up in the dp then some other catted dps and the piping from the wastegate is forced to enter much sooner than most divorced wastegate dp's. Does it still seem to flow correctly? No turbulence when the wastegate gasses enter the main exhaust stream?
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Welp, I've got my preorder in As of right now it's pretty nasty with the stock midpipe w/donut and the sp2...

thanks for the reply,
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We don't have have the one-off on the Halfback setup yet. Some delays with the ss flex section. The first sourced ss flex sections were poor quality so it's taking slightly longer.
Hi. What about people that just ordered your downpipe and 3CE with donut gasket? Will those ship out earlier since they don't have the flex section problem?
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Jon-RIWRX - I know your fairly local. Feel frem to PM me to hook up and take my car for a ride so you can see how it feels. The setup works great. We're gambling that having the cat in the upper section like the factory vs. lower(which in reality is less restrictive) will help curb the crazy boost spikes STi owners currently(and some WRX owners) see with the current crop of downpipes(catless that is), in particular when the weather gets cold. I realize much of this can be cured by switching maps(duty cyle) if your lucky enough to have the engine management that lets you do that, but not everyone has that so we decided to go this route. The cat is in about the same position as the factory cat but the pipe diameter is much greater and the cat itself flows better. So far performance seems damn good by me, although I'm currently the only judge and one would guess I am a little biased We're doing the 2 week MBG so there is very little risk. Get in touch with me if you want to take my car for a run.

wop138 - You know, if your Greddy works with the stock 3rd cat pipe, it would work with our standard 3CE for sure, put lets see if our 3" 3CE does it for you.

PGM - We got the regular 3CE's in stock. Our DP and our other new pipes(3" 3CE and 3" intermediate) will probably hit our door around the same time.

For everyone's benefit, there are a couple of small reasons for the delay in the DP.

1) Even though it's a stainless steel product, the flanges were origonally spec'd as being aluminized, which is farily common with many stainless steel products. We've decided to upgrade our spec to have stainless steel flanges as well. At the end of the day there would have been nothing wrong with aluminized flanges due to there thinkness, but I figure for the extra $10-15 it's worth it from a marketing perspective to say our flanges are SS. This has caused some delay becuase new flanges need to be cut.

2) We're doing one more one-off because the one that is installed on my car is about 1/4" too far to the left where it connects to the 3rd cat pipe(or 3CE). It fits but I had to remove the bolt that secures the 3CE to give me the extra play. I'd rather delay an extra week or two to make sure this is perfect. The pipe is build on a jig matched to the factory DP but for some reason were off just a tad, so this needs to be addressed before we do the deed.

Lastly, we are going to be working with a performance shop that some local folks know, KTR Performance, to develop an EcuTek reflash that is matched to the DP and 3CE combo. KTR uses a Dyno Dynamics AWD dyno and we will post the final results. This will end up being a little more money than say a Cobb reflash but it will be build to these exact parts. We won't be encrypting the reflash so if you ever totally change out your parts any EcuTek tuner can reflash you without them eating a reflash license. Longer term plans will be for a higher performance reflash for those of you running our DP and 3CE combo along with your choice of catless uppipe. For all of you with your orders in, thanks for your patience.

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