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Old 07-28-2000, 11:25 AM   #1
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Question Death of the "sports car" in the US?

IMHO, a sports car has two doors, manual tranny, "sports" styling, a "powerful" engine, and preferbly is not based on a sedan platform...started life as a coupe.

Yes...this does rule out the Impreza, Integra, Civic, and 3 series (4 door platform originally right?)

Using the above definition...the sports car is dying! Even if we exclude the last part...can be a sedan platform...who does that leave us with?

Subaru Impreza 2.5RS (sedan)
Acura Integra GSR or Type R (Type R dying) (sedan)
Honda Prelude
Honda Civic Si (dying) (sedan)
Honda S2000 (thanks! almost forgot that one...but it is only a 00/01 right?)
Mustang
Camero/Firebird (dying)
BMW 3 series (sedan)
BMW Z series ($$$!)
M-B SLK ($$$!)
Miata
MR-S
Porsche ($$$!)
Corvette (majority sold as auto)
3000GT (last of the Japanese top of the line sports cars)
Eclipse
Celica GT-S
Viper ($$$!)
Prowler (sorta...I think it still is an auto)
Ferrari ($$$$$!!)

Any others?

But the Camero...gone soon (sad to see it go, what a car it USED to be!). Impreza...soon to be 4-door only. Civic Si...gone....

I don't like this! Send those SUVs away...keep the roadsters, but bring back our "pure" sports cars! And make them less expensive too.

Is the powerful, two door, manual, sport styled car going to leave us all together? Are they going to just climb in price to extreme levels?

Sometimes...I really miss the 90's.

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Old 07-28-2000, 11:27 AM   #2
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I never realized a sports car can be cheap... were the sports cars of the old days always significantly more expensive than other cars on the roads?

even if subaru released a 2 door, if its under $30k, its still a subcompact car to me... the wrx 2 door i guess would be a sports car, but what IS the true definition, all things inclusive?
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Old 07-28-2000, 11:32 AM   #3
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The Type-R is gone as of next year, so cross it off your list. Isn't Honda going to make a cross platform Civic-Integra thing?
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Old 07-28-2000, 11:33 AM   #4
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What about the BMW 8 series? That's two door right? The one across my friend's apartment is as long as a 7 series, but it's a coupe. (never saw one before that one...)
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Old 07-28-2000, 11:33 AM   #5
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Wow that was a fast reply....

As far as $$$ goes...I feel they should be more expensive than "normal" cars. The only real IN-expensive ones (bang for the buck) are the Mustang and Camero. Miata is still cheap, but the car is pretty impractical, even for a sports car.

But even taking cost out of the picture...the market is still shrinking.

D. Neil Crawford

(edit) then goodbye to the ITR! That bites, I do like the car. As far as the 8 series BMWs go...not avail. in a manual (I belive) and no longer sold here (pretty sure about that) (edit)

A list to bring back....
300ZX
Supra
RX-7
Lotus (maybe you still can buy these here...sorta...but I want the Elise!!!)
Porsche 928 (WAY $$$ but what an AWESOME car)
MG



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Old 07-28-2000, 11:40 AM   #6
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I don't think even a WRX STI RA coupe classifies as a sports car. Though I would love to have one! I'd also remove the Si, Prelude, ITR/GSR, BMW 3 series (but keep M3 M roadster/coupe and the Z3). The Stang and Camaro/Firebird are technically "Pony Cars" between muscle and sport. The only thing you could add would be the Viper.

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Old 07-28-2000, 11:43 AM   #7
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Shrinking? I though it was dead all ready?! At first all the major jap companies would make good, fun, afortable cars. But with each generation they would get more technology & be more complex and that would jack up the price. That's what killed the true sports cars of the 80's & 90's. They were just out of reach of the majority of the people that wanted those cars. People like us. The only one that is left is the Mitsu. 3000GT and they have problems from what I've heard. Finaly Toyota has gotten in to the picture with there new Celica GT-S, I know it's no the supra but its someting. The one I think that would be able to take the sports car segment by storm would be Nissan if they decided to release the Silvia over here but I dout that's going to happen any time sone or never...
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Old 07-28-2000, 11:43 AM   #8
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Call me a freak but I would really like to see Volkswagen come out with a new Karman Ghia. It wasn't really a sports car, but i think that they could really have something there!
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Old 07-28-2000, 11:45 AM   #9
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Or just bring back a new VW Corrado.

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Old 07-28-2000, 11:47 AM   #10
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The 928 isn't a sportscar, it's a GT. (think SVX, 300z tt, VR4)

A true sportscar is two seats only. Not many of those, so the category is often expanded to cover other things... sport coupes, sport sedans, sport compact cars...
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Old 07-28-2000, 11:51 AM   #11
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Colin...I was thinking the same thing. But I wanted to keep it as open as possible. For me 2 doors, manual, "powerful" engine, and "sports" look makes a sports car IMHO.

But you are totally right...my catagory is pretty broad.

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Old 07-28-2000, 11:54 AM   #12
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The sports car has not disappeared. It has been redefined. It has adapted to changing times and evolved into something different than what it used to be.

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Old 07-28-2000, 11:55 AM   #13
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Yeah but it about time to get back to the roots of sports cars!!!
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Old 07-28-2000, 11:59 AM   #14
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Oh yeah, bring back the sweet VW Corrado. Now thats one car that I wouldn't mind spending 25K on. Imagine that thing with a turbo? Now you guys got me all excited. Time to cruise the Corrado Club of America board and droooooool.
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Old 07-28-2000, 03:38 PM   #15
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What we need is an S15 Silvia with a 240hp SR20DET!!!!!!

Folks, that is the ***** right there.
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Old 07-28-2000, 04:18 PM   #16
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Unfortunately, most Americans like to drive big clumsy cumbersome cars(of course this excludes us or we wouldn't be here). Let's look at the new SUV line up

Explorer
Excursion
Expedition
Escape
Rav4
Santa Fe
Discovery I & II
Xterra
Seqoia
Durango.
(all these models didn't exist 10-15 years ago)
The list goes on and on! How many new sports cars are there(not redesigns) from major manufacturers?


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Old 07-28-2000, 04:44 PM   #17
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The day my garage has a WRX STi, a Lancer EVO 6, and a Nissan Silvia R-Spec, I will be a happy import sports car fan. Unfortunately, I'll also have to live in Japan.
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Old 07-28-2000, 05:11 PM   #18
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People people people! You wanna talk PURE sports car here? Let's talk Lotus Elise Sport 190...
-187 bhp @ 7500
-139 lb.ft. @ 5600
-0-62 in 4.4

I already own my complicated car, for pure sports I want BASIC. No AC, no power windows, none of that stuff. Speed, handling, and looks.

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Old 07-28-2000, 06:39 PM   #19
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I'm more of a nissan fan myself,

I'd like to see the silvia spec-r aero, new z car, and the gtr (a halo car) come to america... The silvia is basically what a z car should be, cheap (18-26k) powerful (247 hp) and stylish, I'd love to have a impreza wrx, but when it comes to being a traditional sport car, i don't think subaru has made any... well, maybe the svx....
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Old 07-28-2000, 07:13 PM   #20
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why do you say the Type-R is dying? as in it is not going to be produced anymore? I would imamgine that the civic si will still be produced it is a no-brainer for honda and what makes it even better is that they are domestically produced.

the impreza is a great car though

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Old 07-28-2000, 09:04 PM   #21
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Well why limit yourselves to just Japan. There are some cool cars in the UK that the US will never get also. Cars the US should see:
Ford Cosworth Focus
Ford Focus turbo (from Top Gear)
Ford Puma (yah I like that thing)
The 2dr Alfa turbo from Top Gear
Evolution's IV-VI
WRX
WRX STI edition
P1
22B
GT-R V-Spec
Silvia
GTO (oh yah the US does get that one huh)
FTO
RX7
AWD Primera
Civic Type-R
Supra
NSX
Z Car
Mazda Evolve
either of the AWD turbo Mazda concepts (626 or Protege based)
Lotus Elise
Westfield
DB7
Accord Type-R
RSK B4
Legacy GT-B
Colin McCrae Edition WRX
Galant VR4
Tommy Kaira Edition Altezza
Audi S4-S8 (either already there or on its way)
Vauxhall Vectra
AWD BMW sedan
and some others I can't remember off hand. Those would all be nice to see in the US. Yah FWD isn't really a true sports car but hey if its fun to drive, handles good, and its fast then I don't care.
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Old 07-28-2000, 09:05 PM   #22
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Oh yah and the Peugot from the WRC!
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Old 07-29-2000, 12:01 AM   #23
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there is no more 3000GT or GSX, the ITR is coming back like the Si in a year or 2 revamped ...if its anything like the new impreza they'll SUCK 2. Would you call a 850c a sports car? bring back ....
supra
RX-7 which they are
300zx
bring over
Evo
silva ...hear they might
skyline
vr-4
altezza ...i don't want to pay Lexus price for the a PHAT car reguardless.
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Old 07-29-2000, 12:03 AM   #24
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OK...here is what I want....

Sports Car (modern def.):
VW Corrado
Mini Cooper S (and make it AWD please)
Silvia

Sports Car (classic def.):
240ZX (make it around 230hp please, and $25K)
Lotus Elise (REAL sports car!)
MGF (REAL sports car!)

GT:
Porsche 928

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Old 07-29-2000, 12:14 AM   #25
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An AWD Mini Cooper would definetly be an interesting one...
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