Has anyone done a swap of the STi sedan suspension to a wagon? - Page 2

Richard Sierra · 04-08-2004, 12:47 PM

Here are the pic's (If someone would like to host them, let me know)

A few updates/clarifications:

The wheels are +48.

The suspension has settled some and the front gap is a little bigger than the front.

The rear camber would not come into spec when aligned. It is approx -1.5. I am not sure why, even with camber bolts. I need to get that sorted out.

The rear fenders will require rolling, they are OK for me, but with rear passengers I am sure it would be a problem.

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driggity · 04-08-2004, 12:51 PM

What were the front camber numbers like?

serious · 04-08-2004, 01:12 PM

The suspension has settled some and the front gap is a little bigger than the front.

Huh

?

So your wheels are basically setup the same as the 04 sti wheels right(17x7.5x48mm)? Just how close is it to rubbing in the back? Would it hit the side wall or the top side of the tire?
I'm kinda confused as to exactly what offset does for a wheel. I know it moves the wheel one way or another, i just forgot which.
B

Richard Sierra · 04-08-2004, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by driggity
What were the front camber numbers like?

They were fine, -1/2 degree

driggity · 04-08-2004, 03:21 PM

You don't happen to know how much negative camber was possible in front do you? My whole reason for doing something like this would be so that I didn't have to run low amounts of negative camber in front. I was able to get somewhere between -.3 and -.4 in front with the wagon control arms. I don't think switching to the sedan ones would be worth it unless it could get me at least -1 degree without camber plates.

driggity · 04-13-2004, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Arnie
Hmm, I can take some measurements this weekend to see how the two compare. I'm installing some pink bits on a sedan. I think they might be the same as people put sedan rear sway bars on wagons without issue.

Did you happen to get any measurements? I've got a line on a free set of used WRX sedan control arms so I might throw those on my car and see what happens.

Coati · 04-13-2004, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by serious
Here's another solution; get subaru to build the sti in wagon trim. Then you could go down to the squealer and just buy the parts. Like that one will ever happen!

igalwrx · 04-13-2004, 06:44 PM

AFAIK, the 04 wagons' suspension was re-tuned to deliver performance that is in between the STI and the WRX sedan since there isn't an STI wagon.

serious · 04-13-2004, 09:48 PM

Cool, now if they'd just "Retune" the rest of the car to be more sti like.....

Richard Sierra · 04-14-2004, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by driggity
You don't happen to know how much negative camber was possible in front do you? My whole reason for doing something like this would be so that I didn't have to run low amounts of negative camber in front. I was able to get somewhere between -.3 and -.4 in front with the wagon control arms. I don't think switching to the sedan ones would be worth it unless it could get me at least -1 degree without camber plates.

I don't know how much neg front camber can be dialed in. I would think that if you use the sedan front control arms with the wagon struts you will get a lot of neg camber.

serious · 04-15-2004, 08:27 PM

Does anyone know if the part that attaches to the knuckle and runs forword then attaches to the body is the same between the wagon and the sedan? Anyone know if the new part is the same as the older legacys and impreza?
I think the part is called a trailing arm.
Brent

driggity · 04-16-2004, 01:16 AM

I assume that you are talking about the rear suspension. Yes it is the trailing arm and yes the sedan and wagon share the same part. I thought it was the same as on the older Imprezas, but subaruparts.com lists a different part number. Rallispec does sell the same STi pink trailing arm for 93-current Subarus with this caveat Note:Some N/A models may require spacers (addiitonal washers) at the knuckle end due to variations in the knuckle bushing width used over the years on non-WRX models.

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04-08-2004, 12:47 PM	#26
Richard Sierra Scooby Newbie Member#: 29528 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Indiana Vehicle: 02 WRX wagon V7 RA -C conversion	Here are the pic's (If someone would like to host them, let me know) A few updates/clarifications: The wheels are +48. The suspension has settled some and the front gap is a little bigger than the front. The rear camber would not come into spec when aligned. It is approx -1.5. I am not sure why, even with camber bolts. I need to get that sorted out. The rear fenders will require rolling, they are OK for me, but with rear passengers I am sure it would be a problem. * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

04-08-2004, 12:51 PM	#27
driggity Scooby Specialist Member#: 7453 Join Date: Jun 2001 Chapter/Region: TXIC Location: Grapevine, TX Vehicle: 2005 Legacy GT Wagon 2006 LJ Rubicon	What were the front camber numbers like?

04-08-2004, 01:12 PM	#28
serious Scooby Specialist Member#: 22879 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: missoula , montana	The suspension has settled some and the front gap is a little bigger than the front. Huh ? So your wheels are basically setup the same as the 04 sti wheels right(17x7.5x48mm)? Just how close is it to rubbing in the back? Would it hit the side wall or the top side of the tire? I'm kinda confused as to exactly what offset does for a wheel. I know it moves the wheel one way or another, i just forgot which. B

04-08-2004, 03:21 PM	#30
driggity Scooby Specialist Member#: 7453 Join Date: Jun 2001 Chapter/Region: TXIC Location: Grapevine, TX Vehicle: 2005 Legacy GT Wagon 2006 LJ Rubicon	You don't happen to know how much negative camber was possible in front do you? My whole reason for doing something like this would be so that I didn't have to run low amounts of negative camber in front. I was able to get somewhere between -.3 and -.4 in front with the wagon control arms. I don't think switching to the sedan ones would be worth it unless it could get me at least -1 degree without camber plates.

04-13-2004, 06:44 PM	#33
igalwrx Scooby Specialist Member#: 13643 Join Date: Dec 2001 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: Trabuco Canyon, CA Vehicle: '02 WRX Sdn WRB '05 Leg GT Ltd Wgn Black	AFAIK, the 04 wagons' suspension was re-tuned to deliver performance that is in between the STI and the WRX sedan since there isn't an STI wagon.

04-13-2004, 09:48 PM	#34
serious Scooby Specialist Member#: 22879 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: missoula , montana	Cool, now if they'd just "Retune" the rest of the car to be more sti like.....

04-15-2004, 08:27 PM	#36
serious Scooby Specialist Member#: 22879 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: missoula , montana	Does anyone know if the part that attaches to the knuckle and runs forword then attaches to the body is the same between the wagon and the sedan? Anyone know if the new part is the same as the older legacys and impreza? I think the part is called a trailing arm. Brent

04-16-2004, 01:16 AM	#37
driggity Scooby Specialist Member#: 7453 Join Date: Jun 2001 Chapter/Region: TXIC Location: Grapevine, TX Vehicle: 2005 Legacy GT Wagon 2006 LJ Rubicon	I assume that you are talking about the rear suspension. Yes it is the trailing arm and yes the sedan and wagon share the same part. I thought it was the same as on the older Imprezas, but subaruparts.com lists a different part number. Rallispec does sell the same STi pink trailing arm for 93-current Subarus with this caveat Note:Some N/A models may require spacers (addiitonal washers) at the knuckle end due to variations in the knuckle bushing width used over the years on non-WRX models.