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Old 04-09-2004, 07:00 AM   #26
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who said cheap?

http://www.subydude.com/parts/details.php?243

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Man!!! I got'sta have those ROTAs!!!

I am going to paypal you the 4K now!!!

Thanks SubyDude!!!

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Old 04-09-2004, 07:11 AM   #27
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who said cheap?

http://www.subydude.com/parts/details.php?243

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I think the thought of wheels that cost the same as you block is borderline crazy. Motor hundreds of moving parts all balanced, measured, weighted....

Wheels... well as long as they are round and even.

I love my tarmacs.... and when they die from my abuse I will pick up another set.
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Old 04-09-2004, 07:56 AM   #28
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One last word to MrDisibility and im done

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Old 04-09-2004, 08:28 AM   #29
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who said cheap?

http://www.subydude.com/parts/details.php?243

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Wow. Now we're talking! I'm sure you'll get a call from Mr. Invisibility to order a set, now that they are expensive enough.

Too funny, Suby_Dude.
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Old 04-09-2004, 09:02 AM   #30
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My issue is that so many Sube owners, who are clearly not opposed to spending serious money on their cars, buy Rotas as cheap alternatives to better wheels.
I would buy rotas if they made a knockoff of the 16x7 ET53 RS wheels that clear the 4 pots. In fact I had 17x7.5 sub zeros and sold them because they didn't offer any substantial improvement over 16" wheels and 17" tires are more expensive. The diffference between me and you is that I will only replace a part on my car if it makes the car perform better at a reaonable price. You would never see me drop $2000 on wheels, $2000 on coilovers, and then finish it up with some of the worst "high performance" tires money can buy. I wouldn't do it because I have no interest in bling.
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Old 04-09-2004, 10:40 AM   #31
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Last point......If I said, "You can have a free set of ROTA wheels, or a free set of SSR wheels" which would you choose? Cost not being a factor, the BETTER wheels, right? So, they are better, hence worth more money. I would rather pay more for the SSRs and get a better wheel, and you guys would rather skimp and get Rotas. Let me guess, you buy a cheaper back-busting matress and the cheaper less efficient dishwasher, too.
SSR's? I've owned 3 pairs of rota's and now own a set of SSR's. I'm much more concerned about the steet durablity of the ssr's than I was about the rota's period, cost not a factor. SSR's are not particularly durable wheels.

Why do I run them? They are 17x8.5", and 14 lb. 38.2 lb with 245/40-17 kumho MX's on an accurate scale.

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Old 04-09-2004, 11:00 AM   #32
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Someone needs to end this thread.
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Old 04-09-2004, 11:26 AM   #33
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or just throw it in off-topic

it is quite teh funny
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Old 04-09-2004, 12:24 PM   #34
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You guys are funny...talking about $3000 rims, spinners, plays on my name....

Lol. A decant set of wheels will run you $1200-$2100. Not THAT much. Come on. You guys are buying tires that cost more than your wheels do, and you will be replacing tires a lot faster that wheels. So I try to save on tires and get good wheels.

Still, Kumho is a good tire. If I can go, stop, and turn in wet or dry and never have traction issues, and can get in for under $120 per, then sign me up. My tires are 70-80% worn and I have even wera, no feathering, no shimmy, and no loss of traction.

I really an surprised how I am getting no credit or support here.

Cost not being an issue, I would take Volks over Rotas any day. So, when cost is an issue, I SAVE MY PENNIES and live off ramen like every other car enthusiast out there!

It's ok. In 3 years, half of you will be talking about getting out of the scene because you are sick and tired of all the posers out there. You will all realize that this is just the INTERNET. Not a lifestyle.

Rotas are like McDonalds. Gets the job done for cheap, but wouldn't you rather go where there is some satisfaction? Like Chilli's or something?
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Old 04-09-2004, 12:51 PM   #35
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Lol. A decant set of wheels will run you $1200-$2100. Not THAT much. Come on. You guys are buying tires that cost more than your wheels do, and you will be replacing tires a lot faster that wheels. So I try to save on tires and get good wheels.

Still, Kumho is a good tire. If I can go, stop, and turn in wet or dry and never have traction issues, and can get in for under $120 per, then sign me up. My tires are 70-80% worn and I have even wera, no feathering, no shimmy, and no loss of traction.
I understand your point, but the way I see it, tires are what matter. You get Kumhos, which get the job done. Well, some people buy Rota or other wheels that get the job done. Tires are what touch the ground, not the rims. I would rather spend money on good tires. I could criticize you for buying Kumho, but I don't. You are being a hypocrite by saying that Kumhos are good tires and cheap. Rotas are good rims and are relatively inexpensive. I respect your decisions, but I don't think it is your place to say that "$1200-$2100" is not that much. I mean this in the nicest way possible, you have no idea what other people's financial situations are. Not everyone buys their car new. What if they bought their car for $8000? You can't say that that person should buy $2000 rims. You can't assume everyone spent $25k. I don't think that you should have started the first thread, and I definitely don't think you should have started this one after the first one was closed. Please, if this one is closed, don't start another one. Do not attack the personal decisions of others. To be honest, it is none of your business.
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Old 04-09-2004, 01:04 PM   #36
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or just throw it in off-topic

it is quite teh funny
Please give this to OT..... It will die there in a good way.
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Rotas are like McDonalds. Gets the job done for cheap, but wouldn't you rather go where there is some satisfaction? Like Chilli's or something?




Chillis is hardly better then Mcds.
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Old 04-09-2004, 01:13 PM   #37
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i dont see what makes rotas so bad besides the cost. can someone enlighten me?
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Old 04-09-2004, 01:21 PM   #38
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Still, Kumho is a good tire. If I can go, stop, and turn in wet or dry and never have traction issues, and can get in for under $120 per, then sign me up. My tires are 70-80% worn and I have even wera, no feathering, no shimmy, and no loss of traction.

I think you are contradicting yourself, the same can apply to wheels. If they are lightweight, have a good quality finish, look good, and have proven customer service, and I can get them for $160 per instead of $400, sign me up.
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Old 04-09-2004, 01:39 PM   #39
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I understand your point, but the way I see it, tires are what matter. You get Kumhos, which get the job done. Well, some people buy Rota or other wheels that get the job done. Tires are what touch the ground, not the rims. I would rather spend money on good tires. I could criticize you for buying Kumho, but I don't. You are being a hypocrite by saying that Kumhos are good tires and cheap. Rotas are good rims and are relatively inexpensive. I respect your decisions, but I don't think it is your place to say that "$1200-$2100" is not that much. I mean this in the nicest way possible, you have no idea what other people's financial situations are. Not everyone buys their car new. What if they bought their car for $8000? You can't say that that person should buy $2000 rims. You can't assume everyone spent $25k. I don't think that you should have started the first thread, and I definitely don't think you should have started this one after the first one was closed. Please, if this one is closed, don't start another one. Do not attack the personal decisions of others. To be honest, it is none of your business.
Thank you so much for being nice about it....


You are correct, and I have a few counters to add...

1) By large majority, I am critisizing those Rota owners who have already dumped thousands of dollars in their WRX already. I do not see the reasoning behind drastically upgrading many facets of the vehicle to a high level, but not the wheel. Instead, the wheels, which have the singlemost dramatic impact on how the car look, which make the biggest statement about the car, get hit with a low budget.

2) Ture, I do not know other people's financial situations. Again, I am mostly wondering about those Rota buyers who clearly are not afraid to toss buckets of cash at their cars. This was the first thing I mentione in the original post.

3) To be perfectly honest, these are my opinions and I knew it would fry all you guy's panties. I just wanted an interesting thread to form with some actual opinions on the matter. Instead, it turned into somewhat of a flame fest. I think in total of both thread I have actually posted ony like 5 times....

...4) which leads to why I started this thread. I Kinda wanted to counter some things already mentioned.

Rota? Good finish? Um....yeah....they aren't even powdercoated. That is paint, and they don't even clear the whole wheel.....

And the restaurant analogy goes like this:

Rota = Micky-D's
Work/Racing Hart/Prodrive = Chili's
Volk/SSR/OZ = Cheesecake Factory
HRE/VR Forged Line/Fikse = Ruth's Chris

(interesting parallel to the McDon thing....notice how people sue McDonalds for burning themselves with coffee and making them fat? Dumb yeah? I feel the same way about folks who bitch about bending or marring Rotas.)

Lol....just fooling with that one. DON'T TAKE IT TOO SERIOUSLY GUYS! IT IS JUST THE INTERNET!

MrDisibility.........................OUT!

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Somebody please give this worthless excuse for a thread a decent burial.
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we don't sell Rotas andI haven't been to McDonalds to eat since 1984 ......

so, there
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1) By large majority, I am critisizing those Rota owners who have already dumped thousands of dollars in their WRX already. I do not see the reasoning behind drastically upgrading many facets of the vehicle to a high level, but not the wheel. Instead, the wheels, which have the singlemost dramatic impact on how the car look, which make the biggest statement about the car, get hit with a low budget.[/b]
Wheels do have a large factor in the way your vehicles looks, but maybe these people are not concerned with the "bling" factor as you might be. They might like the sleeper (stock) look over rolling on $2-$3K wheels. Everyone has different views on things

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2) Ture, I do not know other people's financial situations. Again, I am mostly wondering about those Rota buyers who clearly are not afraid to toss buckets of cash at their cars. This was the first thing I mentioned in the original post.[/b]
The wheels work well for what they are and are inexpensive. The money saved can be used to put into engine/suspension/other mods. Also, many have 2-3 sets of wheels for autocross/winter wheel use so they have to divide the money up for those rather than use on one set of wheels. I have a set of Rotas and so far so good. They look very good with my WRX and I am more than happy. If money was not a issue would take lighters and wider wheels for better performance. But this is the real world where money most certainly IS a issue. These are Subarus after alland not Porsches/BMWs/etc whose owners might have much more resources to put into their cars. I personally can not see putting much more into wheels than I have already.

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3) To be perfectly honest, these are my opinions and I knew it would fry all you guy's panties. I just wanted an interesting thread to form with some actual opinions on the matter. Instead, it turned into somewhat of a flame fest. I think in total of both thread I have actually posted ony like 5 times.....[/b]
IMO, I think you knew the hornets nest you were going to stir up by posting what you have so far. Somehow I think you like stirring things up and getting people angry over certain things.

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One question for you. Do you have a set of Rota's? Because if you do not I really don't see any validity behind your statements against them.
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Old 04-09-2004, 02:27 PM   #43
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Prodrive GC-06D's are made by Rays, and are very similar to TE-37's, so why aren't they listed with Volks?

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Old 04-09-2004, 02:35 PM   #44
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"Congrats dude--that's a quality wheel you've got there [not like those other wheels]."

"Yeah, I can't feel good about myself unless I've paid a huge middleman markup either."

"Let's go down to a twisty back road and show those Rota owners what good drivers we are now that we have expensive wheels."

"I've never actually seen a pothole, but I'm sure my VOLKs would handle it easily."

"The ultimate handling package: AGX shocks, Ebay coilovers, Pep Boys tires and VOLKs!"

"I ate ramen for six months, worked overtime at Quickie Mart and sold my body to strange men--but I got my VOLKs, so I have dignity!"

Oh--sorry, I thought this was in OT.
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I have owned 3 sets of Roats in the past. They were not bad wheels for my previous $3500 1990 Integra. I had an issue with one wheel hitting a caliper on the front, so I rotated that wheel to the back and put a different wheel on that corner and boom. No hitting. So why would one wheel have interference and not the next? Inconsistancy in machining, crappy tolerances, and overall poor QC. I have never been impressed with the finish. And thumbsup all around for ROTA!

For a budget wheel they are great. But honestly, I have made the mistake of putting Volks on my car. Now my quality standards are high and I demand more from the parts I buy. So, no Rotas until I get another beater "performance" car.

I do not see putting $3000+ wheel on a WRX either. HREs and Fikses are for Vettes and Porches. But I don't see putting $500 either. $2000 for a set of Volks is expensive, but you get what you pay for with Volk. Volks are made to order. 99% of the time you can get exactly the fit and finish you want. They are high quality. None of which can be said about Rota. I am sorry but if you think Rotas are high quality you are mistaken. They are "acceptable" by most low standards. Not high quality.

....in hindsight, Prodrives belong up in The Cheesecake position. Work prolly does too....the line between Chili's and Cheesecake gets a little fuzzy sometimes. Even when talking about the restaurants
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MrDisibility-

I would be glad to buy some Prodrives or Volks. Why don't you give me $2000?
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i still don't see why you say rota's aren't that good.....and yet you choose to put mediocre tires on your ce28n's?

Wouldn't you think a set of rota's with s0'3......is superior to a set of volks with kumho 712's? as far as best performance value for the money?
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Mr. Disibility should post pics of his own wheels to back up his entire argument... then we'll see...
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Funny read, all of this. I, however would love to get a hold of some 16" Slipstreams, but I can't afford even that. I put $ into my car, but I also have a house that I put $ into. I have to budget, like a lot of people on this site.

So when it comes to the house, I get the best.
When it comes to the car(s), I try and get the best.
If the wheels I want are Rota's, let alone the cheapest version of a Rota wheel for a Subie, I get 'em. They have a great reputation no matter the cost.
Now, if I want to hear one main person go on and on about dissin' Rota's I'll come hear and listen to MrDisibility.

Just don't drag me into your own private hell.
Rota's are the best bargain out there for Subaru's

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This thread is quite teh funny! rotflmao...
MrDisibility,
I can see your point as well as the others but a line has to be drawn somewheres. Now, come to think of it, we all drive crap box subaru's here... even Dodge Vipers are crap boxes, the only good car on the market is a Ferrari F360 Challenge Stradale (with z racing rims on it lol!)

Jokingly of course...
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