Hydra Nemesis 2.0 - Page 13

NeaD · 08-10-2004, 04:18 PM

ok.. this is weird. I start it up today and it idles. I still have to give it a little gas to get it started though. I'm about to host this log I hook while testing for idle.

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NeaD · 08-10-2004, 04:24 PM

http://www.inactivity.org/jon/Data/idle.htm

I can tell by the AFR im running lean when idling, the fuel pulse is wayy too much. well.. at least I can start tuning now. BTW.. i still have my stock injectors in right now till i get my emissions done.

STi_Drift · 08-10-2004, 04:26 PM

this may be a dumb question, but did you scale the map for your size of injectors?

NeaD · 08-10-2004, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STi_Drift

this may be a dumb question, but did you scale the map for your size of injectors?

yes.

HOK · 08-11-2004, 02:01 AM

have you tried adjusting the cranking enrichment trim?

NeaD · 08-11-2004, 03:46 AM

nope.. but I got a few runs in using the wide band. It works pretty good.

HOK · 08-11-2004, 12:09 PM

so everything is working ?

NeaD · 08-11-2004, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HOK

so everything is working ?

yep. We are going to tune a lot more tonight.

STi_Drift · 08-11-2004, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HOK

have you tried adjusting the cranking enrichment trim?

what is your cranking enrichment trim?? mine takes too many cranks before it fires, so its prolly too rich?

Eraz3r · 08-13-2004, 08:51 AM

Two monkeys and a banana for Element Phil... my hydra arrives today!

NeaD · 08-13-2004, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STi_Drift

what is your cranking enrichment trim?? mine takes too many cranks before it fires, so its prolly too rich?

Yeah.. I wanna know also.

HOK · 08-15-2004, 05:23 AM

sorry missed this... I tried adjusting the cranking enrichment but it did not improve the delay in cranking.. it still takes me 4 cranks. I have no idea what it is i don't have the latop with me.. but it still does not act stock even after adjustment...

DarthChicken · 08-15-2004, 11:40 AM

This is a known thing with the hydra - its not batch fire on start like the stock ECU, its still direct fire. It take about 2-3 seconds to start the car, and that will never be any different until the firmware update Hydra is planning in the future that will allow batch fire at startup and immediately switch over to direct fire.

HOK · 08-15-2004, 07:07 PM

Thanks... I was thinking it was the ECU but didn;t know exactly what it was.. any thoughts on effects on the starter?

DarthChicken · 08-15-2004, 07:43 PM

That is has to crank a few more cycles? I doubt it will have any affect at all (batch fire ignition is fairly new in the real world, probably the last 20 years or so)... I was more concerned about my battery than anything. Also, if you think about it, you're actually building some oil pressure before the car starts, so in that regard its probably good for the engine

NeaD · 08-15-2004, 10:18 PM

Is anyone with the stock rs engine running the hydra? I want to compare maps.

STi_Drift · 08-16-2004, 11:15 AM

Anyone had issues with a incorrect wideband reading? Mine is at perfect AFs, but the plugs are white, meaning lean

NeaD · 08-16-2004, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STi_Drift

Anyone had issues with a incorrect wideband reading? Mine is at perfect AFs, but the plugs are white, meaning lean

I was told that some of the 02 sensors in the wideband were not reading right and not to use it as of yet, by andrew. He said he is working on it and to wait till the new software comes out or something.. I can't remember what he said about how he was fixing it. He just told me to hold off on using it for a bit.

STi_Drift · 08-16-2004, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeaD

I was told that some of the 02 sensors in the wideband were not reading right and not to use it as of yet, by andrew. He said he is working on it and to wait till the new software comes out or something.. I can't remember what he said about how he was fixing it. He just told me to hold off on using it for a bit.

He said it was the guage of wire not giving enough current. But i cant see it being the main problem.... How are ou tuning without the wideband?

masiolli · 08-16-2004, 06:52 PM

alright, i have a few questions...

i finally got my car running again (on the stock computer) after i got it running.. i called andrew to trouble shoot the Hydra... We went though EVERYTHING... and it wouldnt start my car.. so i sent it back, he tested the harness and the ECM.. and everything worked fine.. does anyone have any ideas what could be wrong? The only thing we didnt check was the air temp sensor...

it mounts between the turbo and filter right? and it plugs into the harness on the big plug, middle row, second from the right? (#10 on B134)

STi_Drift · 08-17-2004, 02:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masiolli

alright, i have a few questions...

i finally got my car running again (on the stock computer) after i got it running.. i called andrew to trouble shoot the Hydra... We went though EVERYTHING... and it wouldnt start my car.. so i sent it back, he tested the harness and the ECM.. and everything worked fine.. does anyone have any ideas what could be wrong? The only thing we didnt check was the air temp sensor...

it mounts between the turbo and filter right? and it plugs into the harness on the big plug, middle row, second from the right? (#10 on B134)

It can't be the air temp sensor. I started mine regardless if it was installed or not. Does it crank and start and die or not start at all?

Are you sure you played with the settings properly? There are a lot of things that Andrew can't tell from being long distance. Anyways not sure what it is but if you list your prob in detail mebbe we can help I know it took me FOREVER to get mine running cuz I have almost every problem you can possibly fathom

NeaD · 08-17-2004, 04:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STi_Drift

He said it was the guage of wire not giving enough current. But i cant see it being the main problem.... How are ou tuning without the wideband?

I'm still using the wideband.

edit: I really wish someone would send there map to me to so I could compare it. (btw.. on the stock motor)

masiolli · 08-17-2004, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STi_Drift

It can't be the air temp sensor. I started mine regardless if it was installed or not. Does it crank and start and die or not start at all?

Are you sure you played with the settings properly? There are a lot of things that Andrew can't tell from being long distance. Anyways not sure what it is but if you list your prob in detail mebbe we can help I know it took me FOREVER to get mine running cuz I have almost every problem you can possibly fathom

it just wont fire up.... it turns over but never starts... it will on the stock ECU however... but since its running so rich.. it kills my plugs every 5-10 min.. haha.. he said he tested every wire on the harness and it was right... then he put the hydra in his rsx... and it ran it... so he said he has no idea what it could be... im supposed to get it back today.. and if it doesnt start, he said he'll give me a full refund...

and is all that about the air temp sensor correct? mounting location, and the place it plugs into the harness?

NeaD · 08-17-2004, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masiolli

it just wont fire up.... it turns over but never starts... it will on the stock ECU however... but since its running so rich.. it kills my plugs every 5-10 min.. haha.. he said he tested every wire on the harness and it was right... then he put the hydra in his rsx... and it ran it... so he said he has no idea what it could be... im supposed to get it back today.. and if it doesnt start, he said he'll give me a full refund...

and is all that about the air temp sensor correct? mounting location, and the place it plugs into the harness?

My car still runs with my air temp sensor not hooked up to anything.

STi_Drift · 08-17-2004, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masiolli

it just wont fire up.... it turns over but never starts... it will on the stock ECU however... but since its running so rich.. it kills my plugs every 5-10 min.. haha.. he said he tested every wire on the harness and it was right... then he put the hydra in his rsx... and it ran it... so he said he has no idea what it could be... im supposed to get it back today.. and if it doesnt start, he said he'll give me a full refund...

and is all that about the air temp sensor correct? mounting location, and the place it plugs into the harness?

Dood. The air temp sensor hook up sounds ok, seriously i don't think it matters because it works off a long term average. mine is on the TMIC, but don't worry about that now. your car won't start because it sounds like its rich if its killing your plugs in 5 minutes. Reduce AF on the idle portion of the map and then reduce some of your cranking enrichment trim. Your post start up map should be ok, but all you gotta do is basically start playing with settings and methodically test each variable to see if it makes a difference

Make sure that your stepper motor settings are right as well. I know my car dies right away if those are not set properly. i.e play with extreme values to test them. Mainly your Max vacc setting in the ISC tab under settings.

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08-10-2004, 04:18 PM	#301
NeaD Scooby Specialist Member#: 43371 Join Date: Sep 2003 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: St. Louis, MO Vehicle: 1998 Impreza 2.5RS-T Hydra User, Blue	ok.. this is weird. I start it up today and it idles. I still have to give it a little gas to get it started though. I'm about to host this log I hook while testing for idle. * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

08-10-2004, 04:24 PM	#302
NeaD Scooby Specialist Member#: 43371 Join Date: Sep 2003 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: St. Louis, MO Vehicle: 1998 Impreza 2.5RS-T Hydra User, Blue	http://www.inactivity.org/jon/Data/idle.htm I can tell by the AFR im running lean when idling, the fuel pulse is wayy too much. well.. at least I can start tuning now. BTW.. i still have my stock injectors in right now till i get my emissions done.

08-10-2004, 04:26 PM	#303
STi_Drift Scooby Newbie Member#: 25759 Join Date: Oct 2002 Vehicle: 99 impreza rally blue	this may be a dumb question, but did you scale the map for your size of injectors?

08-11-2004, 02:01 AM	#305
HOK Scooby Specialist Member#: 447 Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Oh Canada Vehicle: 1999 EJ22T222B&EVO Are we racing yet?	have you tried adjusting the cranking enrichment trim?

08-11-2004, 03:46 AM	#306
NeaD Scooby Specialist Member#: 43371 Join Date: Sep 2003 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: St. Louis, MO Vehicle: 1998 Impreza 2.5RS-T Hydra User, Blue	nope.. but I got a few runs in using the wide band. It works pretty good.

08-11-2004, 12:09 PM	#307
HOK Scooby Specialist Member#: 447 Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Oh Canada Vehicle: 1999 EJ22T222B&EVO Are we racing yet?	so everything is working ?

08-13-2004, 08:51 AM	#310
Eraz3r Scooby Newbie Member#: 25446 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: bloomington, IL Vehicle: 2005 Nissan 350z silverstone	Two monkeys and a banana for Element Phil... my hydra arrives today!

08-15-2004, 05:23 AM	#312
HOK Scooby Specialist Member#: 447 Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Oh Canada Vehicle: 1999 EJ22T222B&EVO Are we racing yet?	sorry missed this... I tried adjusting the cranking enrichment but it did not improve the delay in cranking.. it still takes me 4 cranks. I have no idea what it is i don't have the latop with me.. but it still does not act stock even after adjustment...

08-15-2004, 11:40 AM	#313
DarthChicken Scooby Specialist Member#: 9073 Join Date: Aug 2001 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Hillsboro, OR. Vehicle: 2006 ariel atom wrb/bbs gold frame	This is a known thing with the hydra - its not batch fire on start like the stock ECU, its still direct fire. It take about 2-3 seconds to start the car, and that will never be any different until the firmware update Hydra is planning in the future that will allow batch fire at startup and immediately switch over to direct fire.

08-15-2004, 07:07 PM	#314
HOK Scooby Specialist Member#: 447 Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Oh Canada Vehicle: 1999 EJ22T222B&EVO Are we racing yet?	Thanks... I was thinking it was the ECU but didn;t know exactly what it was.. any thoughts on effects on the starter?

08-15-2004, 07:43 PM	#315
DarthChicken Scooby Specialist Member#: 9073 Join Date: Aug 2001 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Hillsboro, OR. Vehicle: 2006 ariel atom wrb/bbs gold frame	That is has to crank a few more cycles? I doubt it will have any affect at all (batch fire ignition is fairly new in the real world, probably the last 20 years or so)... I was more concerned about my battery than anything. Also, if you think about it, you're actually building some oil pressure before the car starts, so in that regard its probably good for the engine

08-15-2004, 10:18 PM	#316
NeaD Scooby Specialist Member#: 43371 Join Date: Sep 2003 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: St. Louis, MO Vehicle: 1998 Impreza 2.5RS-T Hydra User, Blue	Is anyone with the stock rs engine running the hydra? I want to compare maps.

08-16-2004, 11:15 AM	#317
STi_Drift Scooby Newbie Member#: 25759 Join Date: Oct 2002 Vehicle: 99 impreza rally blue	Anyone had issues with a incorrect wideband reading? Mine is at perfect AFs, but the plugs are white, meaning lean

08-16-2004, 06:52 PM	#320
masiolli Scooby Newbie Member#: 35840 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Youngstown, Oh Vehicle: 1999 Blue RS-t 22t & Hydra	alright, i have a few questions... i finally got my car running again (on the stock computer) after i got it running.. i called andrew to trouble shoot the Hydra... We went though EVERYTHING... and it wouldnt start my car.. so i sent it back, he tested the harness and the ECM.. and everything worked fine.. does anyone have any ideas what could be wrong? The only thing we didnt check was the air temp sensor... it mounts between the turbo and filter right? and it plugs into the harness on the big plug, middle row, second from the right? (#10 on B134)