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Old 08-19-2004, 01:35 AM   #351
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Any reason your not using the logger in the hydra, and just reviewing it there? You don't have to download it to excel to review it....
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Old 08-19-2004, 10:02 AM   #352
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DarthChiken:

I already have that software version, months ago. I would like to get the actual software being shipped with the computers.
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Old 08-19-2004, 10:07 AM   #353
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I already have that software version, months ago. I would like to get the actual software being shipped with the computers.
I just got my unit flashed 2 weeks ago and have the zipped software on my desktop if you want it just PM me w/ email address

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oh its version 2.12

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Old 08-19-2004, 10:17 AM   #354
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I just bought a Hydra w/wideband from Phil. The good thing about Phil's setup is he has tuned a bunch of cars and is building a Hydra basemap database. Unfortunately for the RS guys these are WRXs right now. He had the choice of two WRX maps for PE650 injectors, which I didn't look forward to making work correctly on my own. Other than that they are likely tuned much differently than my car so I still have a fair bit of work.

Darth, how did the autotune function work out for you? Did you have any kind of misread afr values? I'm probably going to borrow a UTEC Tuner as well just so I can tell if things are off or not.
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Old 08-19-2004, 10:49 AM   #355
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I will be trying the injector scaling function this weekend... cut caps!
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Old 08-19-2004, 08:10 PM   #356
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well.. its back down again...

i thought it fouled out the spark plugs again.. but i put new ones in.. and it still wont start...

i've noticed something.. when the Hydra is connected and i turn the key to "on" it makes a funny clicking sound.. and the check engine light flashes once off then back on real quick... it does not do this on the stock ECU.

i cannot for the life of me figure out what the hell is going on with my car...

the guy at autozone said it could be the thermostat??? what the hell does the t-stat have to do with it starting..

the car is currently sitting in my front yard (i went to get a data log, and it stalled in the street), and it is raining heavily now.. so i cant test to see if im getting spark.. but i will do that as soon as i can...

can anyone think of anything else i should look into? can anyone come up with an explination for the odd clicking when the key is turned to the on position?
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Old 08-19-2004, 08:24 PM   #357
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I get the quick flash on the CEL as well when I turn mine on. So, thats normal.

The clicking noise though... could that be your boost solenoid perhaps, or your fuel pump? I know, opposite ends of the vehicle, just trying to come up with ideas. I get one click, it sounds like a relay kicking over and thats it.

Send me your map, lemme take a peek.

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Old 08-19-2004, 08:48 PM   #358
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If you are hearing a clicking from inside the car it's probably a relay. Does the car run fine on the stock ECU?
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Old 08-19-2004, 10:54 PM   #359
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it clicks from behind the dash it sounds like.... and it only does the weird click when the hydra is hooked up...

and no the car doesnt run at all on either the stock ecu, or the hydra..

darth.. i'll email the map tomorrow
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Old 08-20-2004, 10:45 AM   #360
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well.. its back down again...

i thought it fouled out the spark plugs again.. but i put new ones in.. and it still wont start...

i've noticed something.. when the Hydra is connected and i turn the key to "on" it makes a funny clicking sound.. and the check engine light flashes once off then back on real quick... it does not do this on the stock ECU.

i cannot for the life of me figure out what the hell is going on with my car...

the guy at autozone said it could be the thermostat??? what the hell does the t-stat have to do with it starting..

the car is currently sitting in my front yard (i went to get a data log, and it stalled in the street), and it is raining heavily now.. so i cant test to see if im getting spark.. but i will do that as soon as i can...

can anyone think of anything else i should look into? can anyone come up with an explination for the odd clicking when the key is turned to the on position?

It's normal. It does iexactly the same thing on mine. It is a relay. mine also does it when i drive sometimes. You will also notice that same clicking when your check engine light flashes to let you know of misfire or knock. That clicking is the least of your worries.
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Old 08-21-2004, 02:45 AM   #361
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Where would I go to get my car tuned?.. I was thinking about calling AMS in chi town.
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Old 08-21-2004, 10:08 AM   #362
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Ron at Axis Tuning has a dyno and isn't very far from you. GRD in Chicago could also probably tune it.
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Old 08-25-2004, 05:19 PM   #363
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alright.. the car still wont start... i got new plugs, and i've ohmed the coil.. and it reads out fine... but im not getting any spark at the plugs... any suggestions?
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Old 08-25-2004, 05:41 PM   #364
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Never got your map... but you're saying that the car won't start with the stock ECU either, correct? I doubt its a "hydra" problem then, more generic "not getting spark". Correct?

If thats the case, I would suggest doing everything you can to get the car to start with the stock ECU - its just one less variable.
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Old 08-26-2004, 01:42 AM   #365
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An idea: for those that purchased the hydra from Andrew, Phil could charge a support fee ($200) bucks to support those individuals. Then Phil could make some money and enrich the Hydra community at large with his knowledge. I am purchasing a unit from phil through one of his vendors and he says he would support me and help me to get it. Every time I called, Phil was there to answer the call. While I am a noob, i new that Phil was adding tremendous value to the hydra. I am a software developer, the analogy is simple, in this situation your are buying the hardware and the software, the hardware is generic and the software is the magic. You can't expect him to give his magic away for free. Pay him something for it! A custom dyno tune by him is $500. But I'm sure he would work something out. And you will be miles ahead of where you are today, and miles ahead than if you were on ecutek or the utec.
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Old 08-26-2004, 10:48 AM   #366
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An idea: for those that purchased the hydra from Andrew, Phil could charge a support fee ($200) bucks to support those individuals. Then Phil could make some money and enrich the Hydra community at large with his knowledge. I am purchasing a unit from phil through one of his vendors and he says he would support me and help me to get it. Every time I called, Phil was there to answer the call. While I am a noob, i new that Phil was adding tremendous value to the hydra. I am a software developer, the analogy is simple, in this situation your are buying the hardware and the software, the hardware is generic and the software is the magic. You can't expect him to give his magic away for free. Pay him something for it! A custom dyno tune by him is $500. But I'm sure he would work something out. And you will be miles ahead of where you are today, and miles ahead than if you were on ecutek or the utec.
Why would someone pay him $200 dollars to ask him 2 or 3 questions? I was new to tuning, but I think he could have sped up the process for stupid little questions for a lot of ppl. Perhaps someone should make a FAQ page for getting started. Tuning is still ultimately up to the buyer who never bought from Phil and he can't really help too much on that. BTW I bought my unit from Andrew and am pretty much fully tuned now, even running with the Hydra boost controller functions
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Old 08-26-2004, 11:21 AM   #367
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Ok, I understand that. I was thinking you were wanting a map from him so it wouldn't be such an ordeal to get your car up and running. If it was a quick couple of questions and not like 30 minutes on the phone I understand. But if you wanted access to all the maps and full support, given all the time you've spent so far, wouldn't $200 be worth it?
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Old 08-26-2004, 12:57 PM   #368
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Never got your map... but you're saying that the car won't start with the stock ECU either, correct? I doubt its a "hydra" problem then, more generic "not getting spark". Correct?

If thats the case, I would suggest doing everything you can to get the car to start with the stock ECU - its just one less variable.
opps! forgot about that... I'll PM you with a link to it..

but yeah.. its a general problem anyways... it was running on the hydra... then it just stalled out.. and wouldnt start back up.. i thought it was the plugs... but i put new ones in.. and still no spark...

a friend said it might be arc'ing somewhere prior to where it should be... due to a small hole in a rubber seal somewhere... he said if this was happening.. it would OHM out perfect.. but no spark would get to the plugs.. is this possible? and if so.. how can i check for this?
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Old 08-26-2004, 02:24 PM   #369
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Ok, I understand that. I was thinking you were wanting a map from him so it wouldn't be such an ordeal to get your car up and running. If it was a quick couple of questions and not like 30 minutes on the phone I understand. But if you wanted access to all the maps and full support, given all the time you've spent so far, wouldn't $200 be worth it?

That 200 bucks could be used for dyno time...ect. I feel they sould give out support for there product no matter what.
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Old 08-26-2004, 02:27 PM   #370
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I think whoever you bought the unit from should give support, whether thats Element or Hydra direct. Asking anything more than that is asking for a free service, and everybody's gotta eat
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Old 08-26-2004, 02:53 PM   #371
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Well as a consumer I understand your frustration, but I agree with Darth, if you want full support from a value/added distributor then you should pay for that value added. To think that any distributor should just support you freely is just not reasonable. Phil is very reasonable.
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Old 08-26-2004, 05:39 PM   #372
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This is funny ... does this mean i don't need to eat? why should I help anyone then... this was my entire point... for Phil he needs to eat... for me what?... I'm just a goof who should help...?

I have ZERO problems with the unit... I stuck it in tuned it and ran... I am now on modded injectors and it runs like a champ.. with the help of other nasiocers I find my bad grounds and various mech problems.. should I have paid 8complex every time I asked him a question…? I would owe him 5000 bucks… A post here and there is not support... This is a resource database... I post to try to get people started without calling their vendor every 2 days. General Tuning isn't proprietary. What are the secrets of tuning? It isn’t fuel or timing… that’s BS, its simple you need a knock sensor, a wideband and an EGT gauge. Enough fuel, good timing and lots of air…

To me the only difficult items that no one ever talks about are the settings for drivability. Max vacuum, idle speeds, self tune rates, cranking enrichment and etc. (IE starting the car.) and this is what is being kept under wraps…tuning for power is probably the easiest thing you will learn about tuning. If you guys haven’t noticed the documentation sucks big time.. but I believe that hydra is putting the onus on dealers to do car specific tuning guides.

I don’t think many people understand what I am saying… I appreciate the suggestions, but to charge money to someone that has a stalling car to simply change the max vacuum is crazy…

There have been very few posts that provide some technical merit. They are all muddled in marketing foreplay. I strongly believe there is a purposeful intention to withhold knowledge here.. and I guess that just plain sucks, but I guess I am SOL. Its funny that the more you withhold the knowledge to this ecu the less it will sell. I eagerly await when the novelty dies down.

By the way I just want to share one more thing, maybe my last. The check engine light at this point in time for the hydra will only blink or stay on for TWO events.

Knock (blink once) or too lean (blink 4 times).

It will blink when you do not have the laptop connected. It will blink and stay on if you do not have the laptop connected. Apparently the code will show it self after you connect to the hydra. IT WILL NOT blink on misfires.

I have not tested this nor will I try too for obvious reasons, but this comes straight from the horse’s mouth (mfger).
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Old 08-26-2004, 06:04 PM   #373
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So far, I have not seen any technical questions (ie how does the proportional affect decel, or something like that). I would be more than willing to help out, and I've been looking for folks to help - heck even as far as saying send me your map, maybe I can help out (not you HOK, but masiolli).

"My car won't start" is SO general.... How is anybody going to help you with a question like that, without getting on the phone with you, or being there in person to check stuff over with you.

"My idle fluctutes up and down" is a much better question. Its still pretty general, but if you say "my idle fluctuates up and down, my A/F goes from 11:1 to 16:1, only when the fan kicks on, what can I do about it" its becomes obvious to those of us that have the units, and we can help.

See the difference?

(I'm just a goof that's trying to help)
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Old 08-26-2004, 07:00 PM   #374
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I really don't know what you're complaining about, the quality of information available for a relatively new ecu, or that you want to Phil to give you more information about setting this stuff up for free. Eventually information will be up at wrkhackers. The cutting edge is often the bleeding edge. I think you have a unrealistic expectations of what you purchased. You expected a certain level of support from the vendor, you turned to the community to find that support lacking, and now you want other vendors to support you. Even through all that you are running and everything is great. Even though you've taken a different path than the one I am taking, you have become much more involved and aware of how it everything works and have aquired much more of the nuances of the system. This is a little like Zen and the art of Motorcycle Mechanics.

I think you really need to take a moment and realize if you're interested in results now you can pay for it now, or you can learn all of these things when you discover it or as the collective knowledge of the community increases. If you are that unsatisfied I think you could probably start the proliferation of this information at wrxhackers rather than exhaust your energy complaining. At least you will be contributing to the collective wisdom which you wish vendors and forum goers alike should be doing. Go ahead and lead by example.
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Old 08-26-2004, 07:38 PM   #375
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are you really trying to tell me that phil is not avoiding THIS thread... common... look at what Soon2begreat's comments... thats got to be the most realistic and accurate statement i've seen regarding the hydras introduction to this community. Do you remember when the Utec came out... TURBOXS SPENT HOURS on this board to properly market and support not only the product but promote it... This is part of my confusion... If you read between the lines of my posts.. I'm actually the big cheerleader for this thing... I do agree with you Darth... wholeheartedly actually.

I hope it does end up on wrxhackers.
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