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Old 10-20-2000, 07:38 AM   #1
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Well, I just talked to someone from our Japan office and we talked a bit about the Impreza. I have a hard time keeping up so this might be old news.

He said that on top of the "normal" WRX production for 2002 there will indeed be an STI model. He stated that it will be limited to approx. 300 per month, enough to clear the 2000 minimum yearly volume necessary for Rally regulations. We agreed however that it will probably be a $30k+ vehicle.....approx $10k more than the WRX.

So for all of you with money burning a hole in your pockets you can get your hands on a US model STI. Or for us that cant afford that, the STI has the same damn engine as the WRX only the WRX is detuned...and maybe a few other little things.

Anyway, im anxious to see some STI's at the local dragway runnin against the V8's. I cant wait.

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Old 10-20-2000, 07:56 AM   #2
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I'm just waiting on SOA. Whenever they get off their a.. and release the specs and pricing and allow me to order it I'll do it.
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Old 10-20-2000, 08:02 AM   #3
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I always figured that for the most part the "regular" WRX was going to be a basically detuned STi. This is fine for me because I can always do selective upgrades to get my "regular" WRX to the performance of the STi.
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Old 10-20-2000, 09:02 AM   #4
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Is this for real? I don't mean to be overly skeptical, but after so many rumors I've got to wonder.

Firstly, an article posted at myevo states that there will be no LHD STi's.

Secondly, would SOA dive in like this? Wouldn't it make more sense to gauge the reaction to the WRX before selling the upmarket STi?

The introduction of the WRX is a risk for Subaru after all. Even a lot of people on this board are professing their reluctance to pay more than 26K for the MY02. Although it's a great car, there's not way to be sure it'll be a hit.

Steve00RS, I really hope you're right. When you say "Japan office" does this mean you actually work at SOA?

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Old 10-20-2000, 10:30 AM   #5
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No, I dont work for SOA. However, I work for a tier 1 supplier of SIA (Subaru Isuzu America) for engine components. I try not to get into too much detail because I dont know what information is public knowledge.

I do know, however, that the 2.5L production is dropping tremendously since we will be getting a 2.0L as well as the introduction of the new H6 Outback getting the attention of consumers. And I know that they have already projected production numbers for the WRX and a limited amount of STI engines.

If you look in the archives you might find where I mentioned this months ago. I too was skeptical at the time but I had the engine schedule in my hands at the time I wrote on the boards. And the engines ordered for the US market were coming from the same "bank" of engines used in the Asian market.

Im not sure if it is a good or bad move for them to offer the STI package here in the states. I just know that without a volume of 2000 per year they wont meet regulations for the Rally. I dont quite understand why the WRX model doesnt satisfy this requirement, but unfortunately im not a Rally guru. Personally I think they are going to have a tough time selling 300 of these a month. Maybe they have some HUGE advertising campaign planned for it. They are gonna need it.

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Old 10-20-2000, 11:16 AM   #6
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The WRX has never been a "detuned" STi so do not expect it to be in the future. STi Imprezas feature many entirely different parts, including forged cranks/pistons, solid valve lifters for higher redline, different intercoolers, gear ratios, differentials, clutch, on and on. To upgrade a "regular" WRX to STi would cost you more than buying the STi in the first place.
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Old 10-20-2000, 11:47 AM   #7
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Steve00RS: Wow. Good answer. I understand you can't give details, but it sure is nice to hear some cold hard facts instead of the usual, "guess what my dealer told me". (No offense to people getting info. from dealers, it's just that such info. is rarely accurate.)

I guess the STi model would be something similar to the BMW M series except for Subaru. It sounds risky but it would make sense, esp. since by all accounts the base/WRX Impreza has gone upmarket. (i.e. more refined interior, bigger, more polished overall, etc.) However, the numbers you're talking do sound a little optimistic. If you get any additional non-confidential info. it would be much appreciated.

Keeping my fingers crossed...

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Old 10-20-2000, 11:47 AM   #8
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As far as I know(from magazine in Hong Kong, Japan), the "normal" WRX is engine & transmission are different to the ones on a STI version. STI version will be equiped with stronger components(rod, piston...etc) with 280hp output & a 6 speed transmission.
I really hope the STI version VII can make it here in US, but that possibility is very low.

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Old 10-20-2000, 11:51 AM   #9
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I don't get what you are saying about meeting the production volumes to compete in the rally. They should meet the required amount in Japan or UK alone. They have done it without the US side for 8 years. Actually the production of 400 or so 22b models was enough to allow them to compete. Are you trying to tell me that they plan on having a US event in the world rally?
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Old 10-20-2000, 12:21 PM   #10
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Yeah baby! Give me a 6 speed tranny!
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Old 10-20-2000, 12:50 PM   #11
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I remember ALOT of this pessimistic talk when rumors surfaced that the ITR was US bound. I say if Subaru wants to bring a STI version over, then I'm willing to get inline.

From what people have been saying, the component changes are similar to the changes in the ITR. Major changes to internal engine components and strengthening of the chassis. Hey, if Honda can do it, I'm sure Subaru can find a way (in relatively small volumes, say 300 per month worldwide)

Just my $0.02

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Old 10-20-2000, 02:01 PM   #12
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Hahahahahah LOL! Gambit that was to funny!
Hoopster-Gambits comment was derived from a diff post.

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Old 10-20-2000, 02:07 PM   #13
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Even though I strongly dislike the new Impreza's looks and 2 excess doors.. if they sell an STi model in this country, I'll get in line.
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Old 10-20-2000, 02:08 PM   #14
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Yea, S4 = Slow. Very luxurious ride, but heavy and slow when compared to STI. If you'd rather have luxury go for it, but you'll be looking at WRX STI taillights all day. For that matter, the regular WRX should be faster than the S4 by a little bit(all depends on how much they detune the US model). The STI model would just murder it though.

Edit, I just read the other thread and realized Gambits post was a joke. So I guess my message isn't directed towards him, but anyone who would take a S4 over the STI.

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Old 10-20-2000, 02:28 PM   #15
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Hehehe.... some of you needs to lighten up. I thot you guys read all the hot WRX threads! Aiyah!
Well that's how the North American mentality is. No one's gonna pay $$$ for and STi cus its a subaru...might as well get an Audi or bimmer. It's the brand. Oh well. More STis for us to choose from then.
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Old 10-20-2000, 03:40 PM   #16
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Friend of mine has a S4 thatís suped up to 350hp but when I rode it I wasn't impressed. Its way too smooth and not enough punch. I think the new WRX will probably be the same why. I guess I can get a larger turbo to fix that.

Oh and did I mentioned it cost him $4500 to get the S4 to 350hp.
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Old 10-20-2000, 08:09 PM   #17
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I will trade my00 tomorrow if the sti was available.
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Old 10-20-2000, 11:30 PM   #18
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Im wondering if the WRX will be one of those "One chip wonders" like the 1.8t engine or the 3-series beemers...
(I.E. a chip mod might possibly boost it up to 240+ hp... maybe)
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Old 10-21-2000, 01:07 AM   #19
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Whatevah! ppl would just grumble saying that the STi is too expensive and for that price, might as well get an S4....
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Old 10-21-2000, 01:59 AM   #20
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I'm not sure I agree with you Gambit, the S4 has a very different image and branding. Although the prices may be comparable the cars themselves are targetted at a different market altogether. I would never consider an S4 for my type of driving.
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Old 10-21-2000, 03:51 AM   #21
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I just wonder what people are going to talk about over and over after the US WRX is released? I guess then we can turn to speculating about the 2003 model or the US RSK B4?
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Old 10-21-2000, 05:52 AM   #22
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Im hoping that it wont be a "one chip wonder", i dont wanna pay 500+ bucks for a chip when all i need is a zip tie or a bleeder T to get more boost ala dsm/supra
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Old 10-21-2000, 09:30 AM   #23
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Gambit,

My mistake, should have read the other thread !!

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Old 10-23-2000, 07:54 AM   #24
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Unfortunately I have no idea what the internals would be like in the STI vs the WRX. I would have to agree with you folks when you say that it will be new pistons and such though. My comments about the detuned STI are probably a bit misleading

The biggest bummer for me is, we dont do any of the R&D for Subaru components here in the states. In the past we did some testing for Chrysler and I was able to romp on a Viper GTS for a day......a year before you could buy one. It would be quite excellent if I could do the same for Subaru. Unfortunately the components that are going to be on the 2002 are the same as the ones used in todays WRX in Japan, as well as years past.

I have to also agree with the comments about what people will buy when Subaru brings a 280HP AWD monster to the states. Unless it gets ALOT of advertisment it will probably remain too much of a secret to sell. The people out there willing to buy a $30k+ sports coupe will buy what they recognize.

My visitor from Japan is still here this week so im going to try to chat with him some more. The engine performance data should not be a secret if it is comparable to the engines already being manufactured. We HAVE to have that information or we wouldnt be able to sell them engine components.

For what its worth, I wont be able to afford the STI if and when it comes here. So, for those of you that can, PPPHHHHBBBBTTTT!!!!

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Must have STi wagon!!!!!!! Will sell soul and any non-essential organs to get it too.
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