Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Friday August 1, 2014
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences Home Registration is free! Visit the NASIOC Store NASIOC Rules Search Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Calendar Archive NASIOC Upgrade Garage Logout
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC Archives > NASIOC Archives > General Forum Archive

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-03-2000, 10:21 AM   #1
Subaman
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 1152
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Menlo Park CA USA
Vehicle:
1990 Jetta GLI 16v
Red

Post MR-2 vs. 944 vs. wait for an RS

I was thinking about getting a used car around $10k. What is most appealing to me currently is one of the mk2 MR-2, or an old 944. These should be about $9-10k, right? The older MR-2s just do not appeal to me visually.

MR-2 good: looks, small size, reliability, mid-engine

bad: two-seater insurance, turbo insurance, handful in the wet

944 good: supposedly perfect chassis, power, somewhat restrained style (I like)

bad: reliability, age of car, old-white-guy image (I'm 25 and Asian, no offense)

Either one of these two now, or a used RS or 968 later. The 968 has supposedly an even more perfect chassis than the 944. Or of course, my dream car, an RS in a few years. I figure these two cars in that time will be $12-14k.

Any comments appreciated.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Subaman is offline  
Old 05-03-2000, 10:31 AM   #2
Tarmac RS
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 1020
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Russia with Love
Post

You should be able to get a non turbo 944 for $5-6000.

I would recommend at least a '87 944S, these had upgraded suspension and VERY good brakes/handling.

And old white guy image? Im dunno about that one. When driving my 944T the LAST thing you worry about is what someone else thinks about you.
Tarmac RS is offline  
Old 05-03-2000, 10:34 AM   #3
boxerman
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 644
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Hoboken, NJ, USA
Post

Get the 944, They are way undervalued. If you get a later model the performance and reliability increases dramatically.

I don't recall the #s offhand but it is a very torquey 4 cylinder.

If you don't wreck or abuse the car you should be able to sell it near where you bought it in 2 years, then you will have the down payment for the new Turbo RS.
Just my .02
Tim
boxerman is offline  
Old 05-03-2000, 11:26 AM   #4
BLITZKRG-RS
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 1332
Join Date: Apr 2000
Chapter/Region: SCIC
Location: SF & Oceanside, CA
Vehicle:
2004 STi
WRB

Post

MR2turbo is nice but its a pain in the ass to work on. i had a fixed up 93 MR2 turbo b4, i know how fast this car can go but the handling in rain is something to think about. Get an RS!

cal
BLITZKRG-RS is offline  
Old 05-03-2000, 11:42 AM   #5
Subaman
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 1152
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Menlo Park CA USA
Vehicle:
1990 Jetta GLI 16v
Red

Post

Hmm... the 944 sounds good. Are there any other comparable performance bargains in the used market out there? None come to mind.

Subaman is offline  
Old 05-03-2000, 01:04 PM   #6
SubyPrez20
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 957
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Carlisle, Pa
Vehicle:
2002 WRX Wagon
13.63@96.1mph 13.61@99.92

Post

www.mr2.com is a great site, with nothing but classifieds. Some are loaded, and cheap..if you care.
SubyPrez20 is offline  
Old 05-03-2000, 01:11 PM   #7
boxerman
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 644
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Hoboken, NJ, USA
Post

Other options. For 10 grand you could get an immaculate race prepped 914 (Porshe's go-kart). If you want luxury 928s can be had for under 10g although I hear maint and repairs are a b*tch. E-30 M3s are a possibility in that price range. Too much to list.

Tim
boxerman is offline  
Old 05-03-2000, 01:24 PM   #8
pwrup25RS
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 1011
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Neverending Tune, Enjoy Carlif
Vehicle:
2004 Impreza WRX
Rally Blue

Exclamation

I got a 93 MR2 Turbo. I love it. Never gonna sell it. Just like my 2.5RS. I don't know about the Porches, but if you do decide to get an MR2, make sure its a 93 or up. 90-92 are crap. Not to offend anyone if they have one, but the suspension will get you into a bind if you drive it hard. The brakes are smaller too. And the clutch just feels weird. And don't even get me started on the Non-Turbos.

But I guess it just depends on what you want to do with the car you get. Again I say get the MR2, but then again my opinion is a little biased when it comes to Subarus and Toyotas.

[This message has been edited by pwrup25RS (edited May 03, 2000).]
pwrup25RS is offline  
Old 05-03-2000, 01:32 PM   #9
Ashmason
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 1224
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Redondo Beach, Ca, USA
Vehicle:
2000 OBS
Silverthorne

Thumbs up

I had a 95 944 that had 175,000 miles on the clock when I bought it, my 'ex' girlfriend wrote it off at 198,000 and it was still going strong. My only advice is.. if the seller does not have all the receipts for servicing. Walk away.

If these things have been maintained, they go forever, if not.... then you can pour $$$$$ into an endless pit.
Ashmason is offline  
Old 05-03-2000, 01:59 PM   #10
Pilot
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 513
Join Date: Nov 1999
Post

Ashmason
Is that why she is your ex? Also 85' not 95' right?

Subaman,
Anyway I say go for the 944. Currently I have an 88' 944 Turbo S (951S in Porsche speak) that I am slowly converting to a track car. Previously I have owned a regular 87' 951, and a 91' 944 S2, the S2 was my favorite street autox car. The 968 has not been coming down in value much, they didn't make many, and it is highly sought after, even the 92's are still hovering around 20K and they've been there for at least 3 years.

Anyway You have 8 options for the 944.

Early 944 for 3-5K then spend the rest of your 10K budget on Mods and repair items, your car would be super reliable and handle like a McLaren. Lightest 944 also.

85.5-88 944 for 5-7k and money for mods

87-88 944S (dohc high rev motor 188 hp, 170 lb ft

89 944 2.7 liter (more cubes 163 hp)

89-91 944 S2 10-15k 3 liter normally aspirated motor (identical to the 968 unit minus Variocam, and it does have the dual stage intake manifold), regular Turbo Suspension, 18-28 mpg, the best of the bunch as a street car, low end torque and high rpm power. the most reliable of all the 944s. And the newest.

86 944 turbo for 8K 2k left for maintenance update items. Super fast with the right mods

87-88 944 turbo for 8-12K (217 hp 243 lbft torque)

88 turbo S or 89 turbo (turbo S spec) for 12-20K (250 hp 247 lb ft torque, bigger turbo does't spool up as fast as regular turbo)

Take your pick, the N/A cars are easier and less expensive to maintain than the turbo cars.

Need more info? Send me a private message.
Pilot is offline  
Old 05-04-2000, 04:53 AM   #11
RallyGuy2k
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 1146
Join Date: Mar 2000
Chapter/Region: International
Location: Houston/LA/NYC
Post

MR2 Turbo....period.
Been there done that...sold it because I needed more storage room (photographer) and I got the RS. For less than $2k...or $1500 with IMOC(www.mr2.com) discount you can easily mod the car to yield sub 5 second 0-60 times and still keep it reliable. As far as working on it is easiest mid-engine car I've ever worked on. Keep in mind that mid-engined cars aren't as easy as front mounted...but as far as mid-ship cars they're the best for wrenching.
AND as far as the 91-92 Turbos go they are NOT crap...many autocrossers choose these over the 93-95 models BECAUSE of their suspension. The suspension is the 90-91s are set up in the rear so that they are more race prepared. They're great...but you can encounter snap oversteer. Once the back end goes...it goes. You have to pay attention and be a good driver. In '93 Toyota changed the rear suspension...not as good on the track but safer for the average commuter.
On mr2.com there are always debates going on that challenges which is better. Just ask the Porsche Club of America about my MR2 at the Texas World Speedway...
I'd go with the MR2...cheaper parts...better looks...MUCH faster car. When I had mine for $1500 I had a wonderful car....4.7 0-60...top speed of 158 mph...and daily driven...how else can you get a car like that for 10k?????
Tre'

[This message has been edited by RallyGuy2k (edited May 04, 2000).]
RallyGuy2k is offline  
Old 05-04-2000, 04:45 PM   #12
RallyGuy2k
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 1146
Join Date: Mar 2000
Chapter/Region: International
Location: Houston/LA/NYC
Post

Geeez...I forgot about the brakes...yeah...the brakes are better on the 93+s...
I guess we can say that there are different preferences as to what years you dig. This sums it up...taken from www.mr2.com:
"Although the suspension was upgraded in 93+ units, some like myself,
prefer the 91-92 suspension's to the 93. Personal preference I guess."

Cool...I think we agree that it's a very cool car.
Here's a side note: If anyone has time, surf around www.mr2.com...look at the size and the amount of info that's in that site. Pages and pages of mods ranging from free to mucho $$$$...History of the car....details of all models and years.
Granted the RS is only 3 years old, it'd be nice to get www.impreza-rs.com to that detail. The point is that when ever we gain any info on the RS or Subaru in general we should pass it on to Alex (preferably in HTML format) so we ALL can contribute to this already great site. Comments???
Tre' (MY00 Coupe)
RallyGuy2k is offline  
Old 05-04-2000, 05:09 PM   #13
pwrup25RS
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 1011
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Neverending Tune, Enjoy Carlif
Vehicle:
2004 Impreza WRX
Rally Blue

Post

Yes, that would be a good idea. I found alot of the part numbers that I need in the microfiche at www.mr2.com. That would be very helpful here too! Sometimes I hate calling the parts department and just want to get the part #, but they put you on hold or they don't really know what you're talking about.

But yeah, I guess its really up to how you like you cars setup. I guess I was alittle harsh when I said the 90-92's were crap. They're still MR2's right?
pwrup25RS is offline  
Old 05-04-2000, 06:21 PM   #14
RallyGuy2k
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 1146
Join Date: Mar 2000
Chapter/Region: International
Location: Houston/LA/NYC
Post

Yeah....MR2s rock...many times I got reactions from people as if it's a Ferrari.
BUT in the one and a half months that I've had my RS I've had MORE people stop me and ask me about it than the MR2 and the modded Mustang I had before that combined! I love the attention. I ~live~ at the do-it-yourself carwashes (only the nice new ones of course) and people have stopped washing/detailing their cars to come over and talk to me about the RS. I've had people checking the exterior, interior, under the hood, and even get on their knees to check underneath the car. It's simply great. What else can I say?!
Tre' (MY00 Coupe)
RallyGuy2k is offline  
Old 05-04-2000, 06:30 PM   #15
pwrup25RS
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 1011
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Neverending Tune, Enjoy Carlif
Vehicle:
2004 Impreza WRX
Rally Blue

Post

Tell me about it. I had a guy at the gas station drill me on the RS and he finally said that he'll probably get one for his son. Today I had a guy in an Office Max truck just plain stare at my car. Hehe..its great. Other racers too..they wonder what the hell kind of car it is! I love it. Can't wait to get enough money to start working on it. I'm working on my MR2 right now. Widebody kit and engine stuff..so it'll be awhile till the Impreza gets its share of the goods.
pwrup25RS is offline  
Old 05-05-2000, 12:06 AM   #16
pwrup25RS
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 1011
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Neverending Tune, Enjoy Carlif
Vehicle:
2004 Impreza WRX
Rally Blue

Post

Good point rallyguy. I was just keeping in mind the fact that most people that drive MR2's are not race track drivers or have ever even see a race track. But to tell you the truth, I like the feel of a 93-95 ALOT better then the 90-92. Much more stable. I have 2 friends with 91 turbos and 3 friends with 93 turbos. One of the guys with the 91 has had plenty of track time at the SCCA events, and still can't keep up with me on the twisties in my 93. Both of our cars are modded just about the same. And if the suspension on the 90-92's are better, then why do people with those years spend the couple of grand or however much it costs toupgrade them to 93-95 spec?
pwrup25RS is offline  
Old 05-05-2000, 01:02 AM   #17
jason_watkins
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 1295
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Portland, OR, USA
Post

A friend of mine back in the hometown had a 944.. very nice car. My mechanic at the time was a world class porsche guy marooned in KS by family.. he ended up doing about $5k of rebuilding for my friend.

What they say is true, if you get one of these from someone who's done proper matainence, they're almost ageless. But if you get someone that punished it, just walk away. You'll spend amazing amounts to fix it.

My friend was an avid car fan and engineer.. he had a cherry 240Z as well, and he had no doubt the 944 was the better car. This is from someone who was born in tokyo, and has driven many many many a Z car.

My friend also has a stripped down and modified 924.. at the time I wasn't so into cars, so I have no idea what he did to it, but the thing felt like an F1 trying to pretend to be a go cart, truely a quick car.

The MR2 is also really nice, but it definately takes some driver skill to manage the earlier ones. The 4AGEZ or whatever it's name is, is a wonderful engine. There's a huge amount of potencial in there.

If you're looking for a really cheap dedicated racing car, then take a look at the corrolla GT's. They're not nearly as sexy looking as the MR2 or 944, but they are one of the best handeling RWD cars out there. I'd love to pick one up sometime. You can get one of these really cheap and build it up pretty good. That, and drive it to the limit since you won't have many $$ into it. A word of warning from my japanese friend though: don't drop the MR2 engine into a AE86. If you've welded up the body and swapped the drivetrain, it can take the power... but that engine is wasted in that car, and it ruins the direct feel and response of the original 4AGE.
jason_watkins is offline  
Old 05-05-2000, 08:41 AM   #18
Ashmason
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 1224
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Redondo Beach, Ca, USA
Vehicle:
2000 OBS
Silverthorne

Wink

Pilot: Oops, your right, wishful thinking... I had the 85.5. As for my ex, hey I loved that car!

Personally I think the 85.5 is the best option as you get low insurance, great gas miles, nice interior (the pre 85.5s dash is really dated) and as mentioned above the n/a are way easier to maintain and do mod's on.

My parents have had both MR2's, er... the little wedge shape and then the newer bigger one. What can I say, the Toyota is a nice car but still a Toyota... lemmi see. Toyota, Porsche, Toyota, Porsche... Besides the Porsche is far more predictable to handle at the edge and if you pop into a Porsche dealer for an oil change, you may get lucky and get taken out for a ride in one of the new cars whilost you are waiting.


[This message has been edited by Ashmason (edited May 05, 2000).]
Ashmason is offline  
Old 05-05-2000, 09:48 AM   #19
STi Sev
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 2876
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: South San Francisco, CA.
Vehicle:
99 Impreza
Rally Blue Pearl

Have a Nice Day?

What the hell is wrong with you.
PORSCHE 944 over an RS?
My 91 honda accord stock beat a 944 in dragracing (real)

MR2 is ok.. but subie is my 1rst choice!!!
STi Sev is offline  
Old 05-05-2000, 10:07 AM   #20
Ashmason
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 1224
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Redondo Beach, Ca, USA
Vehicle:
2000 OBS
Silverthorne

Exclamation

Hey, a n/a 944 only makes about 150bhp, want more? go S2, S4 or Turbo. My Impreza Outback Sport has 142bhp as std. But then the Porsche was a true 140mph car and for an 85 that ain't too shabby. The subie struggles at those speeds and is not exactly stable either. Dunno what you raced, but I can say that unless done right, you can really screw up a 944's power.

You want an elegant classy lady that can still get down n dirty, get a 944. Want a ditsy girl with little soul but great performance, get an MR2. Want a girl that takes everything you can give her and challenges you to give more, leaves you with a grin and has people looking at you wondering where she's from. Get a Subie

lol
Ashmason is offline  
Old 05-05-2000, 10:10 AM   #21
Jude DeMeis
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 491
Join Date: Nov 1999
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Boston, Ma, USA
Vehicle:
1995 Legacy race car
Pan Am Blue

Talking

STi Sev, this is nonsense. I tested a 944 Turbo which was stock except for a chip and exhaust installed. We ran 0 to sixty in 4.8 seconds on the G-Tech. Once I was riding shotgun in a 2.5 RS around a race track and a 944 Turbo bore down, overtaking us like we were standing still. The Porsche is in a totally different league. It's so fast it can give a WRX a run for the money - 2.5 RS? You must be joking!
Jude DeMeis is offline  
Old 05-05-2000, 11:17 AM   #22
Subaman
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 1152
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Menlo Park CA USA
Vehicle:
1990 Jetta GLI 16v
Red

Post

What else is there in this price/performance range? I was also looking over some E30 M3 pages, but these run a little higher, like there are very few M3s in good shape under $9000.

I don't know much about the following cars, but how much are previous-generation RX-7/Supras? 240sx?

And I only last night found out that the Corollas are RWD! I was shocked, my friend has one, he babies it, and has never made the tires squeal. How much are these?
Subaman is offline  
Old 05-05-2000, 11:54 AM   #23
pwrup25RS
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 1011
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Neverending Tune, Enjoy Carlif
Vehicle:
2004 Impreza WRX
Rally Blue

Post

Yeah, those AE86 are dope! I want one too, but I already have an RS and my MR2. Those Corolla's are good for drifiting. In fact the AE86 is one of the most popular cars in japan for drifting. Ooops..drifited into a wall..oh well. I'll just go get some more body parts at the junk yard. Plus those 4AG engines haul ass when you build em up.
pwrup25RS is offline  
 

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
09 STI- RCE springs vs. Eibach or wait for coilovers and slicks? Pete Holt Motorsports 31 03-01-2010 01:01 AM
Settle for an STI or wait for an M3 Vladimir L Off-Topic 124 01-30-2006 03:09 AM
Now I'm waiting for an STi WAFlowers South East Region Forum 9 02-02-2003 04:23 PM
('93-'01) with birthday $$ between 2-250$, what to get..anything for an RS DangeRS Impreza Forum 11 08-20-2001 04:29 PM
Waiting for my RS =( Asinus Newbies & FAQs 7 06-29-2001 12:57 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:15 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2014 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2014, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.