Anyone see this... ?

KC · 04-29-2000, 01:03 PM

Nick:
how much hp is too much hp for a FWD?

Just enough to catch 1st, 2nd and 3rd and lay a patch down the raod.

I used to have a Turbo Talon FWD. And I knew quite a few who had them too.

Fastest one with just a few mods was running in the 13's.

Fast enough?

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wolve80 · 04-29-2000, 01:08 PM

what you mean nick, is how much TORQUE is too much for a FWD drive car. You can have a car with 1000hp (not likely) but only 150tq, and no problems. When you get high amounts of torque, FWD cars have a problem with snapping the drive axel. Dunno if you've seen, but alot of FWD dragsters bring extra axles, just in case.

STi Sev · 04-29-2000, 01:23 PM

oh **** that looks nice (its the blue interior of me talking ;p)

HomerJay · 04-29-2000, 01:32 PM

All I have to say is, total rip-off of our beloved RS. It does look pretty good though

. I'm sure it won't see the light of day looking like that, although Dodge is very good about producing concept cars. I doubt the supercharger will make it if it does go production, turbocharger is more likely. We'll have to wait see.

Fish · 04-29-2000, 01:41 PM

it looks like a new celica from the front and a RS from the rear (fin)

Leonardo · 04-29-2000, 01:42 PM

Can anyone say "four door eclipse" ? I mean, WTF it looks like an four door 98 eclipse with a Camaro SS hood.

For the time of your life, Look for those people with hooped up neons laughing at our cars and show thep this picture! THAT should be VERY funny!!!

Leo

NickSTi · 04-29-2000, 01:50 PM

But wolve80 its not quite what I mean. So then why is the s2000 RWD? First one too.
Horsepower: 240 hp @ 8300 rpm
Torque: 153 ft-lbs. @ 7500 rpm

Thats not a terrible amount of torque, plus it makes it at high engine revs. Certainly not enuff to rip ur axle of something terrible. I was more referring to more the marketing aspect I guess.

NickSTi · 04-29-2000, 01:52 PM

Add-on
The lude throws 156lbs atcha @ 5250 rpm and thats FWD. see my point?

RidinLow · 04-29-2000, 01:53 PM

The S2000 is RWD because it's intended to be a true sports car, & for that, you need to be able to control the rotation of the car with your right foot, plus it brings a more even weight distribution. Nothing to do with how little torque it has.

~G

Bahumut · 04-29-2000, 01:59 PM

That Dodge Power Wagon looks sweet though.. 780 ft/lbs of torque?? Yeesh..

Overtime · 04-29-2000, 02:02 PM

Hardcore ripoff. Dodge should be better than that.

Ugh. Dodge, design your own car for chrissakes.

jhuang76 · 04-29-2000, 03:44 PM

Don't forget, Honda built the S2000 to celebrate its 50th anniversary. Honda's first car was the S500 (0.531 liter) which got 81.7 HP/liter (awesome at that time), front-engine, RWD, inline 4s ... etc. The S2000 is a 2 liter modern version (convertible though) of the S500!

Of course, they could have easily made it FWD, but ...

HomerJay · 04-29-2000, 03:58 PM

Actually,other than the viper, all the new models are redesigns of old cars. The PT Cruiser, Prowler, and the possible new charger. I think the design team at Chrysler looks at car magazines all day and steal designs. They must have seen the Evo IV, RS 25, and the MY2000 Celica and came up with that car.

Bassem · 04-29-2000, 04:14 PM

You have to see there point though. This street racer look is just getting more and more popular, and chrysler will loose a lot of money if they don't jump on the bandwagon.

I think its okay. the only thing I really absolutely hate is that butt ugly 4 spoke steering unit. Ughh!!! If you design a car with decent handling but mostly looks, at least get that part right!

Bassem

HomerJay · 04-29-2000, 04:21 PM

Hey Bassem, I know what they are trying to do, but will they be able to sway all those kids who have been buying imports to switch to a domestic? It would be interesting to see. If it drive well and it's cheap, I would buy one. It just that, Chrysler is rarely origional with their car designs. Also, if someone takes a Domestic car and highly modifies it, can you call it a rice rocket? How about a potato performer ;D

wolve80 · 04-29-2000, 04:29 PM

ridenlow hit it on the head.

Or a Super Spud, Homer

[This message has been edited by wolve80 (edited April 29, 2000).]

Fish · 04-30-2000, 12:40 AM

http://www.4adodge.com/experience/fr...ncept&neon_srt

WTF?

NickSTi · 04-30-2000, 12:56 AM

I have a question tho. From playing GT and looking at specs of cars, etc. how much hp is too much hp for a FWD? I mean it sounds silly at first, but this is what I mean: You know how all the HPed cars are RWD? I just figured that once you start manufacturing and marketing a car as a performer, you stop on the FWD trip and start on the RWD trip. Too many examples to name (Nissan sentra vs 300ZX)

EuGeNiLe GTS · 08-09-2000, 09:00 AM

DAMN IT!! heh whatsup with that car.. a mix of a whole bunch of other cars.. and whatsup with the damn hood scoops nowadays.. i think they just look good on the imprezas andthe celicas..and im not just saying that cause i ahve a celica heh =) i wonder if that neons hood scoop actually has a purpose though..hmm..

JGard · 08-09-2000, 09:02 AM

Two words to describe that... F-ing Retarded!!!

direwlf · 08-09-2000, 05:38 PM

How much power is too much for front wheel drive? I don't know. Ed Bergenholtz has no problems running mid 9's in a front drive CRX

Course he also has wheelie bars and only 6 psi of air in the tires, but hey, it works. Also worthy of note is the fact that he is using a STOCK(!!!) integra transaxle.

KC · 08-09-2000, 06:59 PM

MMMMmmmm 300M Hemi Convertable

skeletor25rs · 08-10-2000, 07:32 AM

If they do produce this car it will probably have the supercharger not turbo. I heard that a supercharger is an option on some of the 2001 PT Cruisers.

Skel

'83 DL WGN · 08-10-2000, 04:21 PM

I'm all for it. The more manufacturers making performance compacts, the better. Increased competition is only going to help Subaru enthusiasts, in all respects.

Think of the HP war going on with the mid-range German sedans; the M5 is 400hp, and some ungodly amount of torque. I wish there was a more serious HP war between Honda, Toyota, Ford, Subaru, etc. And a handling war, and a braking war...

Just appreciate that companies are even considering making cheap, small performance cars, considering all of the SUV concepts present at every major auto show anywhere in the world. That could be the future.

04-30-2000, 12:40 AM	#17
Fish RIP Sirkbac Member#: 869 Join Date: Feb 2000 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: Nashua NH Vehicle: 1987 GPZ-750 TURBO 90' MX-5/11' DGM STi Sdn	Anyone see this... ? http://www.4adodge.com/experience/fr...ncept&neon_srt WTF?

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04-29-2000, 01:03 PM	#1
KC Scooby Guru Member#: 442 Join Date: Oct 1999 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: SE Mass/RI Vehicle: 2013 Crosstrek XV 00 Honda S2000	Nick: how much hp is too much hp for a FWD? Just enough to catch 1st, 2nd and 3rd and lay a patch down the raod. I used to have a Turbo Talon FWD. And I knew quite a few who had them too. Fastest one with just a few mods was running in the 13's. Fast enough? * Registered users of the site do not see these ads.

04-29-2000, 01:08 PM	#2
wolve80 Scooby Specialist Member#: 1339 Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: St. Louis, MO, USA	what you mean nick, is how much TORQUE is too much for a FWD drive car. You can have a car with 1000hp (not likely) but only 150tq, and no problems. When you get high amounts of torque, FWD cars have a problem with snapping the drive axel. Dunno if you've seen, but alot of FWD dragsters bring extra axles, just in case.

04-29-2000, 01:23 PM	#3
STi Sev Scooby Specialist Member#: 2876 Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: South San Francisco, CA. Vehicle: 99 Impreza Rally Blue Pearl	oh **** that looks nice (its the blue interior of me talking ;p)

04-29-2000, 01:32 PM	#4
HomerJay Scooby Specialist Member#: 1135 Join Date: Mar 2000 Chapter/Region: BAIC Location: BAICED Vehicle: 2005 WRX WAGON Silver	All I have to say is, total rip-off of our beloved RS. It does look pretty good though . I'm sure it won't see the light of day looking like that, although Dodge is very good about producing concept cars. I doubt the supercharger will make it if it does go production, turbocharger is more likely. We'll have to wait see.

04-29-2000, 01:41 PM	#5
Fish RIP Sirkbac Member#: 869 Join Date: Feb 2000 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: Nashua NH Vehicle: 1987 GPZ-750 TURBO 90' MX-5/11' DGM STi Sdn	it looks like a new celica from the front and a RS from the rear (fin)

04-29-2000, 01:42 PM	#6
Leonardo Consigliere Super Moderator Member#: 185 Join Date: Aug 1999 Chapter/Region: South East Location: Orlando, Fl Vehicle: 2009 Smart ForTwo Silver	Can anyone say "four door eclipse" ? I mean, WTF it looks like an four door 98 eclipse with a Camaro SS hood. For the time of your life, Look for those people with hooped up neons laughing at our cars and show thep this picture! THAT should be VERY funny!!! Leo

04-29-2000, 01:50 PM	#7
NickSTi Scooby Specialist Member#: 626 Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Miami FL Vehicle: 2001 Impreza 2.5 RS Black Diamond Pearl	But wolve80 its not quite what I mean. So then why is the s2000 RWD? First one too. Horsepower: 240 hp @ 8300 rpm Torque: 153 ft-lbs. @ 7500 rpm Thats not a terrible amount of torque, plus it makes it at high engine revs. Certainly not enuff to rip ur axle of something terrible. I was more referring to more the marketing aspect I guess.

04-29-2000, 01:52 PM	#8
NickSTi Scooby Specialist Member#: 626 Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Miami FL Vehicle: 2001 Impreza 2.5 RS Black Diamond Pearl	Add-on The lude throws 156lbs atcha @ 5250 rpm and thats FWD. see my point?

04-29-2000, 01:53 PM	#9
RidinLow Scooby Guru Member#: 329 Join Date: Sep 1999 Chapter/Region: Tri-State Location: NJ Vehicle: 1995 325i Arctic Gray	The S2000 is RWD because it's intended to be a true sports car, & for that, you need to be able to control the rotation of the car with your right foot, plus it brings a more even weight distribution. Nothing to do with how little torque it has. ~G

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Bahumut Scooby Newbie Member#: 460 Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Overland Park, KS, USA Vehicle: 1995 Impreza Wagon Brilliant Red/Slade	That Dodge Power Wagon looks sweet though.. 780 ft/lbs of torque?? Yeesh..

04-29-2000, 02:02 PM	#11
Overtime Scooby Specialist Member#: 1346 Join Date: Apr 2000	Hardcore ripoff. Dodge should be better than that. Ugh. Dodge, design your own car for chrissakes.

04-29-2000, 03:44 PM	#12
jhuang76 Scooby Newbie Member#: 1284 Join Date: Apr 2000 Vehicle: 2005 Legacy GT Royal Blue Pearl	Don't forget, Honda built the S2000 to celebrate its 50th anniversary. Honda's first car was the S500 (0.531 liter) which got 81.7 HP/liter (awesome at that time), front-engine, RWD, inline 4s ... etc. The S2000 is a 2 liter modern version (convertible though) of the S500! Of course, they could have easily made it FWD, but ...

04-29-2000, 03:58 PM	#13
HomerJay Scooby Specialist Member#: 1135 Join Date: Mar 2000 Chapter/Region: BAIC Location: BAICED Vehicle: 2005 WRX WAGON Silver	Actually,other than the viper, all the new models are redesigns of old cars. The PT Cruiser, Prowler, and the possible new charger. I think the design team at Chrysler looks at car magazines all day and steal designs. They must have seen the Evo IV, RS 25, and the MY2000 Celica and came up with that car.

04-29-2000, 04:14 PM	#14
Bassem Scooby Newbie Member#: 305 Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: PA, USA	You have to see there point though. This street racer look is just getting more and more popular, and chrysler will loose a lot of money if they don't jump on the bandwagon. I think its okay. the only thing I really absolutely hate is that butt ugly 4 spoke steering unit. Ughh!!! If you design a car with decent handling but mostly looks, at least get that part right! Bassem

04-29-2000, 04:21 PM	#15
HomerJay Scooby Specialist Member#: 1135 Join Date: Mar 2000 Chapter/Region: BAIC Location: BAICED Vehicle: 2005 WRX WAGON Silver	Hey Bassem, I know what they are trying to do, but will they be able to sway all those kids who have been buying imports to switch to a domestic? It would be interesting to see. If it drive well and it's cheap, I would buy one. It just that, Chrysler is rarely origional with their car designs. Also, if someone takes a Domestic car and highly modifies it, can you call it a rice rocket? How about a potato performer ;D

04-29-2000, 04:29 PM	#16
wolve80 Scooby Specialist Member#: 1339 Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: St. Louis, MO, USA	ridenlow hit it on the head. Or a Super Spud, Homer [This message has been edited by wolve80 (edited April 29, 2000).]

04-30-2000, 12:56 AM	#18
NickSTi Scooby Specialist Member#: 626 Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Miami FL Vehicle: 2001 Impreza 2.5 RS Black Diamond Pearl	I have a question tho. From playing GT and looking at specs of cars, etc. how much hp is too much hp for a FWD? I mean it sounds silly at first, but this is what I mean: You know how all the HPed cars are RWD? I just figured that once you start manufacturing and marketing a car as a performer, you stop on the FWD trip and start on the RWD trip. Too many examples to name (Nissan sentra vs 300ZX)

08-09-2000, 09:00 AM	#19
EuGeNiLe GTS Scooby Newbie Member#: 2061 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: USA Vehicle: 2099 Daewoo Elite Metallic Burgandy	DAMN IT!! heh whatsup with that car.. a mix of a whole bunch of other cars.. and whatsup with the damn hood scoops nowadays.. i think they just look good on the imprezas andthe celicas..and im not just saying that cause i ahve a celica heh =) i wonder if that neons hood scoop actually has a purpose though..hmm..

08-09-2000, 09:02 AM	#20
JGard pooptastic Member#: 1904 Join Date: Jul 2000 Chapter/Region: BAIC Location: Foster City, CA Vehicle: 2013 Tundra '02 BMW R1100S	Two words to describe that... F-ing Retarded!!!

08-09-2000, 05:38 PM	#21
direwlf Scooby Specialist Member#: 1479 Join Date: May 2000 Chapter/Region: W. Canada Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada Vehicle: 1999 Impreza 2.5RS Silverthorn Metallic	How much power is too much for front wheel drive? I don't know. Ed Bergenholtz has no problems running mid 9's in a front drive CRX Course he also has wheelie bars and only 6 psi of air in the tires, but hey, it works. Also worthy of note is the fact that he is using a STOCK(!!!) integra transaxle.

08-09-2000, 06:59 PM	#22
KC Scooby Guru Member#: 442 Join Date: Oct 1999 Chapter/Region: NESIC Location: SE Mass/RI Vehicle: 2013 Crosstrek XV 00 Honda S2000	MMMMmmmm 300M Hemi Convertable

08-10-2000, 07:32 AM	#23
skeletor25rs Scooby Guru Member#: 1844 Join Date: Jul 2000 Chapter/Region: TXIC Location: Edna, TX Vehicle: 1970 Scout Gold, Tan, Rust, Primer	If they do produce this car it will probably have the supercharger not turbo. I heard that a supercharger is an option on some of the 2001 PT Cruisers. Skel

08-10-2000, 04:21 PM	#24
'83 DL WGN Scooby Newbie Member#: 2075 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Minnesota, USA	I'm all for it. The more manufacturers making performance compacts, the better. Increased competition is only going to help Subaru enthusiasts, in all respects. Think of the HP war going on with the mid-range German sedans; the M5 is 400hp, and some ungodly amount of torque. I wish there was a more serious HP war between Honda, Toyota, Ford, Subaru, etc. And a handling war, and a braking war... Just appreciate that companies are even considering making cheap, small performance cars, considering all of the SUV concepts present at every major auto show anywhere in the world. That could be the future.