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Old 08-10-2000, 08:25 AM   #1
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Thumbs up DMS review on 99 Legacy GT

Yes, I got the DMS 50mm set up on my GT... installed last night...
http://www.pnwsec.org/members/Thomas...9_DMS_Install/

here are some observations so far...

PACKING/SHIPPING OF KIT:
The DMS came complete, and intact and was packed very well

From the date of ordering, took 15 days to arrive from Australia

The kit included a bound/rebound adjustment tool that you can attach to your keychain for safekeeping

All instructions were neatly packed inside box

Even came with a full inspection record of how each strut was thoroughly checked before shipping.

INSTALL:
Many, MANY thanks to EROPA and my buddy Mike (maddmaxx) for handling the install.

The Legacy is a "tad" bit different from the Impreza and we did have some "issues" which Mike handled masterfully.

The front Struts - just like the KYB's... pulled old out... popped the DMS right in. No problems. Perfect fit.

The rear Struts - different story entirely... the top hats on my Legacy did not want to "work" with the rear DMS struts.

When the strut was inserted into the top hat, the thread wasn't NEARLY long enough to allow for the center bolt to go back on. Mike took and shaved off what appeared to be an extra plate and connector for the top hat... leaving just the bare minimum... we were still short about 1/2". Next step was to dremel out the center of the top hat, to create a bit more room to slide the bolt back on and tighten down. This worked and the set up is good for now... I am looking into getting a flat - rally plate for my top hat. I have to check w/the rally guys (Eklund, PRichard) and see what they've done w/their Impreza's... if anything. It could be just a Legacy issue... I always say everything is harder w/the Legacy...

ALIGNMENT:
There is an issue w/the front camber... it's at 1.5 and we were trying to get to .5 but... *sigh* must be a SUBARU thing...



SETTINGS:
The rebound/bound settings are stock for now.

I need to research the DMS and play with them a bit to decide what's going to work for me.

The car, at the current setting is about 1/2" higher than it was w/the H&R's...

I will lift it for my first rallycross (OCT 2nd) and take pics then....

INSIGHT:
These things have a 20-click REAL bound adjustment

And 4 settings for the rebound adjustment...

After driving last night and this morning... I can say a "few" things..

*There is no - ZERO body roll
*Stiff, but won't break your back
*Amazing!! Amazing!! Amazing!!
*Spring rate is high, but I am not certain exactly of the specs.
I believe I have the full rally set up.
*Speed bumps??? We don't need no stinkin brakes!! 30mph noooo problem!! LOL!!

Let me know if there are questions/comments...


for more info see:
http://www.dmshocks.com/docs/dms50.html

or get a hold of Dave Clark, the US distributor at: DMS -USA dms_usa@hotmail.com

jamie


















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Old 08-10-2000, 08:37 AM   #2
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WOW! those look awsome! how much height adjustment is there? Please keep us posted I am saving for these or LEDA. I would really like to know how they feel and how much difference the different settings make. Also how much in US dollars?
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Old 08-10-2000, 08:40 AM   #3
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are those the STi struts you had on your car previously? Those aren't KYB AGX eh?

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Old 08-10-2000, 08:40 AM   #4
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Glad to see almost everything worked out OK I have chatted with Dave a few times the only reason I am holding out is that I want to wait for Shiv's article on suspension comparison in SCC I would hate to buy a set-up and then regret it later on. Not that I would regret the DMS system just maybe the cost of it.
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Old 08-10-2000, 08:45 AM   #5
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cost??
around $2800 USD

height adjustment??
I can go up about 4 more inches before i top out...

Previously??
I had the KYB/AGX struts w/the H&R springs... - Not STi

u buy these.. you will be VERY pleased.. the rally drivers i know have switched from LEDA to DMS... primarily because LEDA's blow... and DMS won't... these things are bad azz... very solid... All of the body roll is GONE!! there is none!! Not a bit of it...


I will be experimenting w/the adjustments within the next few weeks.
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Old 08-10-2000, 08:55 AM   #6
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are those the KYBs in the pics (1 and 2)? Holy cow, they've seen some hard use....

that's what I was getting at.....

sorry!

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Old 08-10-2000, 09:01 AM   #7
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Ha! Jamie, you are the coolest chic. I went to Borders book store last night and found a book called something like "Every Woman's Idiot Guidebook to Understanding Mens' Cars". Ha! I prolly got the name totally wrong, but y'all get the idea. You're just a cool chic 'cause you dig cars! Especially when you dig Subies! Hee hee! Congrats on the DMS. The look schweet! If you can, get some video clips of your li'l beast running w/ the new susp. I wanna see this lack of body roll and your speed bump fun. LOL!
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Old 08-10-2000, 09:39 AM   #8
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Mike did an awesome job with the install. Them dang Legacy’s just have to be a little different.
A little of Jamie’s "worrying" about my car rubbed off on me. The stuff Mike did worked great, just was a little stressful to watch.

The only body roll this car has now will be when she lunches it over a cliff from missing a turn
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Old 08-10-2000, 11:11 AM   #9
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Hey neat

you should finally be able to whoop those guys asses at RallyX

Leda are better.. I have to say that.. cos I have them..

heehee

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Old 08-10-2000, 01:25 PM   #10
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Air tools and a lift - you kids have it so easy! In my day we used jack stands and hand tools and we were happy.

Very nice set up.
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Old 08-10-2000, 01:27 PM   #11
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I'm well aware of Jamie's gender, hence the "hehehe" at the end. Its just an expression, meant to imply that I worship the ground her DMS struts ride on.
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Old 08-10-2000, 01:37 PM   #12
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air tools and a lift...

w/out them.. i'd have been 1/2 done right now... as much fabrication as we had to do on the rear top hats... i would have ended up in a shop anyway... it was awful... but well worth it in the long run...

thanks again to Mike and EUROPA!!!!


hehehehe... and u guys want to have my children??? oh this i HAVE to see!! LOL

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Old 08-10-2000, 04:13 PM   #13
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Jamie
i should have my DMS setup here next week
do you know what springs you got in there? i ythink they had three choices.
i cant wait to get them all in there and hit the trails.
WOOOHOOOOO!!!!
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Old 08-11-2000, 12:35 AM   #14
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Wow Jamie, I want to have your children!!!! hehehe

When the new Neopreza WRX gets here and I switch over to a Legacy (Hopefully with a H6 3.0), I'll have to give the DMS set-up some serious thought.

Once you get all the settings squared away, you just may have yourself the best handling Legacy in North America.

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Old 08-11-2000, 12:49 AM   #15
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Hey Scooter, not to get in the way of your budding relationship, but I'm pretty sure she would have to be the one to have the children, unless you're a woman, in which case I'm not sure that Jamie would be all that interested in you.
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Old 08-11-2000, 05:56 AM   #16
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Anyone else find it ironic that in the pic where she's smiling with her new suspension there is an H&R decal right behind her head

Tony - Green with envy.
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Old 08-11-2000, 07:40 AM   #17
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hey hey now!!

the DMS yellow decal is on order!!!
hehehehehehe....

H&R comes off tonight! wooo hooo!!!



come to find out that the car was set on the SOFTEST settings... we've now turned it up 5 clicks as recommended by DMS for street and it's a BEAUTIFUL ride... if you can afford them... GET 'EM...

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I would if I could. It looks like a killer setup. I have some speedbumps in my neighborhood that'd I'd like to not be bothered with

A little birdie told me one of our more respected tuners will have a DMS-type suspension available sometime. This is a totally new custom system for the imp. Hopefully I'll have some ducets together by then.

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Old 08-11-2000, 09:34 AM   #19
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Jamie,

I've been drooling over the DMS setup for awhile. I think Pat Richard is running the same struts on his rally car. Ask him about the vehicles ability to take jumps (please remember the front bumper is not a suspension part) - sorry, had to say that.

Now I am truly disappointed that your suspension didn't arrive in 4 weeks instead of 6. Damn...

Next time I'm in Tacoma, lets set the suspension a little higher and go find some of the gravel roads Jamie!

Its lunch time - gotta go eat!

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Old 08-11-2000, 10:59 AM   #20
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I was told by the service manager at Specialty Subaru (one of Pat Richard's sponsors)that they had the Leda suspension on his car for a few rallys and they bent it.
From what I know, he is very happy with the DMS setup he has now. (maybe that's because he is always winning)

P.S. Subiegal, are you coming to to the Vancouver i-club meet this month?(august 27)I am looking forward to seeing this suspension in action.
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Old 08-11-2000, 11:06 AM   #21
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yeah i'll be at the meet...

yeah pat bent the hell outta the Leda's... they were in my hands last night!!! i was in the same shop that does all the work on his car... (Dave Clark Motorsports)

and yeah...
pat has DMS now... and loves them!!

meeee too!!

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Old 08-11-2000, 08:50 PM   #22
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I wish I could afford stuff like that. You must make a lot of money to have all of that stuff on your car!
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Old 08-13-2000, 05:37 AM   #23
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First of all I'd like to say that Jamie is automatically cool because she's got the same name as the owner of DMS (Jamie Drummond).


To address the fitment issues with her car it appears that the later model Legacies have different rear strut top mounts. Jamie Drummond said they have never encountered that problem before so they must be unique to the U.S. cars. A little research should answer the question. In any case the earlier top mounts or, better yet, certainly the STi Group N mounts should fit perfectly.

Also the instruction packet that came with her Legacy suspension was not as complete as what usually comes with the Impreza units. Normally included are a few pages detailing how to R&R the struts, with photos. Also a page with suggested ride heights, shock adjustment, and alignment settings for various uses (tarmac racing, rally, street) should have been there. Also, for the street spec suspension there should be included brackets for the brake hoses and ABS cables. I will see that Jamie gets all these items and that the factory makes sure to include them on future orders.


For those who don't have the budget for the 50mm Giant Strut system but still want the quality and durability of DMS we have a new product coming out. The DMS Gold is a more affordable strut with about a 40mm piston. They will use the same double progressive springs with adjustable ride height as the 50mm and the strut housings will be built just as strong but will be gold cad-plated and not painted blue. They will have a neat camber adjustment at all four corners (via the top bolt in the lower mounting bracket.) They will come in two versions: non-adjustable damping (about $1600 per set including springs) and with adjustable bump only (about $1800 per set including springs.) These prices do not include shipping.

The DMS Gold is not intended for competition but for the street enthusiast who might want to take their car to a weekend autocross or rallycross, etc. Like all DMS shocks they will be rebuildable and last a very long time. They will be available in about 5 or 6 weeks.


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Old 08-14-2000, 03:34 AM   #24
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Just dont make the mistake I did..

Jamie Drummond is male... Jamie (Subie Gal) is definately female... lol

I would have thought a gold color would have signifed a "better" product..than just a blue color...

Dave.. how much are the top mounts ?

Cheers,

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Question for Dave:
<img src=http://www.dmshocks.com/images/chart.gif>

That looks about like linear damping. Doesn't look anything at all like the digressive damping most of the competition in this price range offers.

Obviously I'm not expecting triple adjustable for that price but I'm just curious if there is a reason behind this.
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