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Old 04-14-2004, 10:07 PM   #1
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Damn, you guys are going to be so pissed, but I test drove the XT Premium (auto, huge sunroof, leather) today and wasn't very impressed. I get the feeling it will be one of those cars that I love more and more as time goes by but I genuinely wasn't wow'd. First time I took it camping I am sure I would love it, but how about every day?

It is a good car, it brakes and handles and accelerates well, at least once the turbo kicks in at some 30mph. The problem is that I am used to a V8 Dakota with 295 ftlb of torque right off of idle, so punching the XT and waiting seemed like an eternity. I clocked 0-60 up a small hill with my wife at about 7.5 which isn't bad but nothing to jump up and down about.

Am I missing something?? I honestly thought I was going to be so overwhelmed that I would just have to have the car, truth be told I was kinda disappointed and that kills me because I REALLY wanted to love this car.
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Old 04-14-2004, 10:11 PM   #2
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Drive a manual,
Or wait for the new GT.
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Old 04-14-2004, 10:16 PM   #3
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The turbo kicks in at about 3k rpm, not 30 mph. Make sure you push the pedal hard enough so the auto will rev high enough. A stock auto XT should do 0-60 in about 6.x seconds. (I don't know the exact number; I think its 6.5 or 6.6.) Also, if you drive in bad weather, Subaru's AWD will prove better than your Dakota's 4WD. If your able to drive a manual I'd suggest trying it. Also, if you really don't want the turbo lag, wait a year for the 2005 Outback 3.0R with the H6 3.0 engine in it. It still won't have as much torque as your V8, but it will have the linear powerband you're used to.
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Old 04-14-2004, 10:31 PM   #4
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Actually, you should only need to wait about another month or two to try the 2005 Outback 3.0

Pricing sort of leaked out on them yesterday. $32-ish. Of course, it IS the flagship model.
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Old 04-15-2004, 12:06 AM   #5
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I really want leather and the big sunroof. Is the 5m really that much faster? To drop from 5.3 to about 6.4 is a pretty huge difference. Still plenty fast, but 5.3 is pure sportscar and 6.4 is more sporty sedan, if you know what I mean.
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Old 04-15-2004, 12:14 AM   #6
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The first XT I drove was and automatic, and I wasn't too impressed. I still went ahead and ordered a manual w/o ever having driven one (with a manual). Believe me, there's a huge difference between the two, 5-spd is much quicker; but like you said, you'd have to give up the sunroof and leather. Personally I didn't want leather and was indifferent about the sunroof, so that wasn't really an issue. Of course the cloth still comes standard with heated seats, and that was good enough for me. I'd at least drive a manual before making up your mind.
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Old 04-15-2004, 04:11 AM   #7
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I drive a manual XT and it rocks! I was offered the premium, but it costs more and was slower. Plus, i don't need leather and think that the black cloth looks rather nice. Sunroof only adds weight. Plus, I live in Hawaii, so sun isn't a problem.
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Old 04-15-2004, 08:42 AM   #8
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I had the exact same reaction when I test drove a 5 speed WRX. All I could think was "this thing does 0 to 60 in 5.5 seconds?". Turbo lag was so bad that my Sentra actually felt faster. The manual XT is considerably better ( automatics and turbos don't work well together). First gear is a little weird ( it's almost better to start in second), but once you get used to it the car is much more fun to drive. It's not acceleration that's the problem, it's the handling, overboosted steering, and road feel where it falls down.
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Old 04-15-2004, 08:51 AM   #9
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I have a different approach based on personal choices.

If you drove it and it didn't suit you move on to some other options for a comparison. If you don't come back....well you have something that you like better.

Subaru is not the only car manufacturer and certainly even they understand ......that people have different expectations/needs.

Understand that I am a contented Suby owner.....but always encourage people to make personal choices.

OK...just my .02.......hope you find what you like/want/need.....I certainly don't think you need someone else to make decisions for you.
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Old 04-15-2004, 08:55 AM   #10
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I also have a Quad cab v8 and I know that my XT auto is faster. The auto won't kick down into first, so if you are rolling and want to accelerate quickly while goiing slow you have to manually put it in first.
Maybe I am getting old(55), but I enjoy this car as much or more as the 2002 Camaro Z28( 6 speed, 13.55 107 in qtr mile) I traded for it. I can see well out of it, it's quick enuff. I also have no problem with the Geo landers. A friend bought a non turbo just for the nice sunroof.
This is my wifes car and it is not her desire for me to drive it. So it's the Quad cab for me. But in 2 years this becomes my car then we play...jd
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Old 04-15-2004, 09:03 AM   #11
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...If you drove it and it didn't suit you move on to some other options for a comparison. If you don't come back....well you have something that you like better...
Good advice.

Simply, If you don't like it, don't get it. Personally, I wouldn't even consider a vehicle that didn't make me smile when I drove it.
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Old 04-15-2004, 10:23 AM   #12
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I don't think you pushed it hard enough. My "acceleration test" was pulling over to the side of a busy fast (average speed ~80mpg) freeway and then coming to a full stop. [Make believe you had to pull off for a tire repair or something] When I attempted my return to the traffic flow I stomped that auto tranny and took off like a rocket ship. Unlike WRX there was NO turbo lag.

I found AT FXT PLENTY fast for me. I wouldn't seek the extra one second or so 0-60 from the MT. In FXT I actually liked the AT better even though two other cars I own are Manual Transmission. I love the leather and sunroof too!

That one take off return to the freeway maneuver sold me on the FXT and put lots of smiles on my face. What I didn't like was the way it handled. I cured that with a new swaybar and wheels/tires after I bought it. While I came to FXT from an Explorer and could put up with that kind of "SUV" handling, I knew FXT could do a lot better (I tested an Outback and it handled much better that the stock FXT). With these few mods the FXT handles like a sports car, no kidding. And you can still use it in its "intended" SUV functions.

Simply put, if FXT doesn't blow you away too buy something else (I was seriously looking at a Pilot/MDX/RX-330, etc.....

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Old 04-15-2004, 11:10 AM   #13
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** sorry this is a new thread, I clicked the wrong button**

[edit: merged the posts for you - Peaty]

Bobshere and Whoooosh, you have convinced me to take one more test drive.

Here is the situation from yesterday: I did a u-turn at a light, slowed down to a crawl, hit the stopwatch and rolled the throttle (what is the car equivalent to this motorcycle term?? ) to the stop. Took 7.5 up a slight hill with passenger.

Now it seems I was probably in 2nd gear since it would have definitely shifted into 2nd before I slowed down (got up to maybe 15 before slowing.) And since I didn't punch it, it didn't enter "Power Mode" (what is the difference??) so it didn't give me all the beans.

Not that this will happen more than once or twice anyway, but how about if you "torque it up", you know, hold the brake for a second while gassing it before taking off. Did this in an auto turbo before (one of those GMC Typhoons, what a blast) and it was a rocket off the line. Hard as hell on the tranny though, which is why in MY car it wouldn't happen but a couple of times.

So today I'm taking it for another test drive. I will post the results here.

Thanks again for the great advice, from Bobshere, Whoooosh, and everyone else!!

BTW I too looked at the MDX, Murano, Pilot, even the Volvo S40 and V70R (damn nice but $48,000 and the wife still says it looks too "Mommy" for her.) I'm 37 but she's only 26 so our views are a little different.

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Old 04-15-2004, 12:18 PM   #14
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to beat a dead horse even more,
youre comparing a V8 to a 4 cyl and saying that youre disappointed with the straight line performance.
i dont know about you, but im a pragmatic person, and if it doesnt satisfy my needs, i wouldnt buy it. figure out what you need, test drive what you want (without a doubt try the manual at least once).
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Old 04-15-2004, 12:40 PM   #15
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I drive a manual XT and it rocks! I was offered the premium, but it costs more and was slower. Plus, i don't need leather and think that the black cloth looks rather nice. Sunroof only adds weight. Plus, I live in Hawaii, so sun isn't a problem.
the MT kicks but and wouldn't get it any other way...btw i'm 49 going on 19...
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Old 04-15-2004, 01:33 PM   #16
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Don't mean to be a downer, but....

I think it is irresponsible to be test driving a car and using it in a fashion that the manual says is not appropriate per break-in proceedure knowing that you may not buy it and someone else will.

Drive like that when it is your car.
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Old 04-15-2004, 01:34 PM   #17
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Flames ne1?
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Old 04-15-2004, 02:32 PM   #18
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the MT kicks but and wouldn't get it any other way...btw i'm 49 going on 19...
Right on, heh heh. I guess the thing i like the best is the fact that it's so stealthy. No idiot *******s are gonna cause me any trouble.
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Old 04-15-2004, 03:06 PM   #19
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Don't mean to be a downer, but....

I think it is irresponsible to be test driving a car and using it in a fashion that the manual says is not appropriate per break-in proceedure knowing that you may not buy it and someone else will.

Drive like that when it is your car.
This isn't a flame, just an explanation - if I didn't drive it "like this" then the car would never be mine.
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Old 04-15-2004, 04:25 PM   #20
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Right on, heh heh. I guess the thing i like the best is the fact that it's so stealthy. No idiot *******s are gonna cause me any trouble.
my latest victim was my brother in law with his beautiful red new 350z... i walked him into the trap by asking him to take off and see if i could keep up with him... keep in mind he's never been in my car...

after the 1st run he couldn't believe i had'm by about 2 car lengths at 80 and he asked to do it again... the second time i had'm by almost 3...

btw, we both have MT and KNOW how to drive...
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Old 04-15-2004, 05:15 PM   #21
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they censored the word "*******s?"
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Old 04-15-2004, 05:16 PM   #22
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ha ha....you can't say r i ce b o i s ?
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Old 04-15-2004, 05:20 PM   #23
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Just a quick question on how to drive.

What is the best way to launch an FXT? I've been very scared to bring revs up and dump clutch. I usually just ease into it. Power shifting even feels a little violent. Maybe I'm just not used to all wheel drive.

Any sugestions?
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Just a quick question on how to drive.

What is the best way to launch an FXT? I've been very scared to bring revs up and dump clutch. I usually just ease into it. Power shifting even feels a little violent. Maybe I'm just not used to all wheel drive.

Any sugestions?
power shifting - i wouldnt do it. its not an 89 trans am!
drive it smooth and let it last long IMO.
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power shifting - i wouldnt do it. its not an 89 trans am!
drive it smooth and let it last long IMO.
listen to the above if you want your FUN TO LAST...

at 46 wanted to go back to a FUN DAIILY DRIVER SLEEPER...
sold the drag muscle cars and autox bmws i've enjoyd ALL MY LIFE...
i'm new to the miracle of subaru/awd since i decided on a wrx wgn in early 2002...
jumped in the FXT in 2/04 cause i need to tow a small garaged kept dream boat...
treat your FXT MT like you're driving an EXOTIC and you'll be OK...
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