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Old 04-14-2004, 02:41 PM   #1
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As you can see outside we are having one of our lovely April day here in edmonton. I have been driving around today on my summer tires......and no they arent even all seasons, they are a summer performance tire. I have been just taking it easy on corners and at intersections and I have been fine. The only place I have a little bit of trouble are in parking lots and side streets where the snow has accumulated.

What I don't get is, as I have been driving around I have seen a couple accidents, a few cars slide into the curb and on at the intersection of 170st and about 111 ave that slide off the road (on the straight section) and into the ditch.....2 of the cars wheels where off the ground because its such a steep ditch there.

Now this is alberta...........we drive in this crap half of the year. Why is it as soon as there are a few nice days, winter driving techniques totally leave peoples brains like they have never driving in winter before.

I could understand if whenever there is a snowfall we import a bunch of people from california that have never seen snow let alone drove in it, then all the accidents are understandable........but come on this is just ridiculous.

Theres my rant for the day....Im done.........
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Old 04-14-2004, 03:56 PM   #2
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maybe winter tires should be mandatory?

most people argue 'oh my all seasons are just fine!!' And they are not bad as long as the roads are salted to death and plowed.

But as soon it starts coming down and the trucks can't keep up with the snowfall people are spinning all over the road, driving 20kmh, bumping curbs and eachother, etc. I dunno, i'd feel responsible if i rearended someone and killed them because i was on crappy tires and couldn't stop.
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Old 04-14-2004, 04:48 PM   #3
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I'm of the belief that winter tires should be mandatory in winter.

Also, too many people drive around on bald tires... this should be checked and be a highly ticketable offense if it is much under the limit. If it's close to the limit, give the person a two month period in which they have to replace the tires.

I'm driving on my summer tires too... luckily they are only Kumho 711s, so they aren't very aggressive tires.
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Old 04-14-2004, 04:54 PM   #4
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Oooo a favorite rant!

Tires have little to do with it ...

The reality is that we live in a part of teh world where peoppkle can get drivers licenses without knowing even the most basic skid control skills - yet are expected to safely drive on ice and snow for a good percentage of the year.

No doubt regualting tires would be a help (sweden requires studded winter tires on all cars) - but, like ABS, it is a band-aid solution.
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Old 04-14-2004, 05:39 PM   #5
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Tires have little to do with it ...
I would disagree. It has been proven that there is a significant difference between M&S rated All-Season Tires and their M&S rated winter breatheren whether they are studded (best), or non-studded (much better than AS tires).

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The reality is that we live in a part of teh world where peoppkle can get drivers licenses without knowing even the most basic skid control skills - yet are expected to safely drive on ice and snow for a good percentage of the year.
Completely agree. Its too easy to get a license in this country PERIOD!!!!!
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Old 04-14-2004, 05:44 PM   #6
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Completely.... Barn's license needs to be revoked asap!

didn't you trek the transcanada spiritedly on re-92's one winter to visit BC?

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Completely agree. Its too easy to get a license in this country PERIOD!!!!!
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Old 04-14-2004, 06:00 PM   #7
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I would disagree. It has been proven that there is a significant difference between M&S rated All-Season Tires and their M&S rated winter breatheren whether they are studded (best), or non-studded (much better than AS tires).
Don't get me wrong. I fully agree that the right tires make all the difference when you know what to do with them ... my point was that tires alone would not keep people out of the ditch.
I've run proper snow tires on all 4 corners on my cars for the last 20 years ... (yikes) -
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Old 04-14-2004, 06:53 PM   #8
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We need AWD for where we live (basically our driveway is a 0.5 km hill) and Winter tires are really really good to have. We have someone in a Suzuki Aeiro (sp?) that has to pick up my brother for work all year round. I dont know whether its the tiny **** car she drives, or the way she drives it, but she manages to get that car stuck a lot during the winter.

Anyways, wheels do make the difference but driver skill is needed as well. Her tires are sooo small (nature of the car I guess), and all seasons plus she just floors it and expects the tires to get the grip.

In today society alot of people need a vehicle. Its not the licencing thats the problem, its the degredation of skills afterwards. I admit that I dont drive the same as when I was first learning. id ont chekc my mirrors as often as I should, etc etc... I think that people should be tested every 5 years or so. ESPECIALLY old people
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Old 04-14-2004, 10:59 PM   #9
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didn't you trek the transcanada spiritedly on re-92's one winter to visit BC?
Ken, I resemble that remark!!!!! And for the record, it was their first and ONLY winter that I had them on, and I hated every minute of it.

Couldn't stop worth crap!!!!!!

Then I got Yoka's for winter and haven't looked back since.
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Old 04-15-2004, 12:13 AM   #10
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I'm not trying to start a rant, but what reason(s) does the government have for not requiring periodic re-licensing? I don't understand why the license must be updated (photo, maybe?). Wouldn't re-testing be an opportunity for more revenue? Then again, the re-testers would be only as reliable and effective as the current bunch, huh?

Germany is notorious for the Autobahnen and for the stringent driver training. Like a well-behaved child whose parents impose no curfew, the drivers earn the privilege of driving insane speeds. The traffic circle around the Arc de Triomphe has no lanes, yet traffic moves fluidly with everything from scooters to monster coaches. What is stopping the traffic policymakers here from moving things in that direction? Just a thought?
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Old 04-15-2004, 01:36 PM   #11
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What is stopping the traffic policymakers here from moving things in that direction? Just a thought?
Theres a rant from Dave Despain on the Speed channel website about this. Long story short, North americans are stupid, cant drive, and cant read signs.

The passing lane is for PASSING!
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Old 04-15-2004, 01:41 PM   #12
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The passing lane is for PASSING!

Amen to that. It's gettin really bad over here. Friggin people driving 105 in the fast lane on the highway and won't move over... Nothing pisses me off more.
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Old 04-15-2004, 04:59 PM   #13
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Amen to that. It's gettin really bad over here. Friggin people driving 105 in the fast lane on the highway and won't move over... Nothing pisses me off more.
I drive to Fox Creek for work and I see that all the time........its very annoying. Its not so bad on the split highways cause you have lots of time, but on the 2 lanes and you hit a passing lane and the guy ahead of you takes the whole passing lane to pass one vehicle..........now that burns my a$$....
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Old 04-15-2004, 07:07 PM   #14
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Its not so bad on the split highways cause you have lots of time
No so here, the 3 lanes are packed with fast and medium going same speed with open road ahead in fast lane. No where to go.

It's supposed to be illegal in Ontario to do this. I doubt a ticket has ever been issued Where are the cops when you need them
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Old 04-16-2004, 12:15 PM   #15
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maybe winter tires should be mandatory?

most people argue 'oh my all seasons are just fine!!' And they are not bad as long as the roads are salted to death and plowed.

But as soon it starts coming down and the trucks can't keep up with the snowfall people are spinning all over the road, driving 20kmh, bumping curbs and eachother, etc. I dunno, i'd feel responsible if i rearended someone and killed them because i was on crappy tires and couldn't stop.
I believe in Quebec it will be mandatory next year. I once heard the quote "All seaon tires = no season tires". People will complain how this is unfair and exspenive to do to have 2 set of tires. But wait. You'll have 1 set for winter driving and another for summer. And that means your both sets of tires will last twice as long.

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I'm not trying to start a rant, but what reason(s) does the government have for not requiring periodic re-licensing? I don't understand why the license must be updated (photo, maybe?). Wouldn't re-testing be an opportunity for more revenue? Then again, the re-testers would be only as reliable and effective as the current bunch, huh?

Germany is notorious for the Autobahnen and for the stringent driver training. Like a well-behaved child whose parents impose no curfew, the drivers earn the privilege of driving insane speeds. The traffic circle around the Arc de Triomphe has no lanes, yet traffic moves fluidly with everything from scooters to monster coaches. What is stopping the traffic policymakers here from moving things in that direction? Just a thought?
There was an article about retesting in the Calgary Sun a week or 2 ago. People in Alberta (from my experience) are way too conservative (lets not get into Political debate please) and can't see the big picture. They don't see how this will help improve the road by teaching bad drivers how to drive again; all they see is the conspriratist view of a government cash grab. There are other provinces that get a hell lot more snow than alberta and have no where near the amount of accidents we have.
that's my rant.
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Old 04-16-2004, 01:05 PM   #16
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One of you guys should get into politics and become Prime Minister.

Then we'll have great drivers on the road, the nicest cars, and better petrol too.

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Old 04-17-2004, 03:10 AM   #17
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Its too easy to get a license in this country PERIOD!!!!!
Yeah! Look at me. There's no way I should be on any paved road. Gravel, mud, ice & snow - yup. But not with the rest of you hooligans.

Thanks you for using petrol in it's proper place Keiho.
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Old 04-17-2004, 03:30 AM   #18
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I like to be different haha.
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Old 04-17-2004, 10:49 AM   #19
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Yeah! Look at me. There's no way I should be on any paved road. Gravel, mud, ice & snow - yup. But not with the rest of you hooligans.
Spoken like the guy who has more points than any other four of us combined, has memorized the Alberta Highway act and all the local judges and public prosecutors by first name.
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With some recent retirements there are a FEW new ppl I have not met yet. I hope not to.
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