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Old 04-16-2004, 07:10 PM   #1
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Thumbs down My ass-hole neighboor...who's a cop

So I'm driving home from school today and pull onto my street with a little bit of tire squeal.

I drive by the guy (state trooper) who lives one house down across the street from me. He's out getting his mail and waves, I wave and then he flags me back. I back up and roll down my window. He asks me what the squeal was about and I just told him I didn't know, it just happened (all you really have to do is turn the wheel hard, the rear wheels do the rest). Then he decides to be a bitch and starts the deal.

I give him my license and registration and he says that he thinks I should have my license suspended and that I'm getting a $100 fine for the noise of my tires squealing (for about 2 seconds).

He said he wanted a safe neighborhood for his kids. Now here's where it gets good. I asked him calmly, not sarcastic at all if he's ever seen me driving too fast. At this point I was upset but not as pissed as I'd get. He (being an ******* with too much power) took it as being disrespectful. Seriously, all I did was ask if he's seen me driving fast. I wanted to know so I wouldn't do it anymore because I didn't think I drove fast down the street.

So he turns into trooper ass**** and decides to put my fine up to $250 because he figures that I had to be going atleast 40 mph to make the tires squeal and this was on a 25 mph road (that people usually go 40 mph on) -- now to think of it the tires squealed on my street which doesn't have a posted sign so the speed limit is 30 mph. He says it was 25 mph which confused me because at this point I thought he was talking about me speeding on the road I live on which is 30 mph. I questioned him on this and he went crazy telling me that it's posted (about a mile back in reality). Ass**** didn't realize I was talking about a different road and thought I was being disrespectful for asking him.

Being really uspet (as most people would be) I asked him if he enjoyed doing this to people and he flipped out. He started saying he was going to just give me a warning but I was disrespectful so I was getting the full $250 citation.

He fills out his bull**** form and comes back and tells me I have 30 seconds to convince I shouldn't get a citation. So I do my 30 seconds of telling him that I'm sorry and he basically extorts me into saying that I want a safe neighborhood ("I want a safe neighborhood for my kids, you want a safe neighborhood?" Am I supposed to say no? *** would happen then?) to live in. He decides to give me a warning afterall, even though he said I was getting a citation because I was so disrespectful, even though he was the unreasonable *******.

He obviously did this to scare me, but I think it's harassment. I went to the local police to see what they could do and they couldn't (or didn't) do anything and told me if I want to file a complaint to go to the State Police station in Russel. I go down there and tell the guy my story and that I want to file a complaint. He tells me to come back with my mom because I' a juvenile. I can only wonder what would happen if I was ass raped by a state trooper and neither of my parents would file a report with me, I guess that dick would get away on account I'm a juvenile.

What it comes down to:
Town police = Never even had them look at me or my car once.
State police = Drive on the highway at 90 mph, have douche bag clerks, and their officers are ass heads.

I'm going to file a complaint and if it goes well (99% it won't because I have to file it with the State Police) I might press charges or whatever they call it.
1. He harassed me. He intentionally made me emotionally upset. You can see this because he said he was giving me a citation and then gave me a warning like it was a game for him.
2. He extorted me. Mostly extortion deals with money, but if you look up MA law it says extortion is also when someone (specifically including police) pressures you into something. I hate to think what would have happened if I said "no" to his stupid "safe neighborhood" question.
3. He (unitentionally) falsified information. He said I must have been going 40 mph for the tires to squeal. That alone is incorrect. Though, my main point is that my rear tires squealed on my street, not on the street where the citation says this incident occured (the 25 mph road). If he wanted to get me for both speeding and squealing tires he would have to write 2 citations, one for going faster then the speed limit and another for the noise because they occured in 2 sperate places. Instead he said my tires squealed on one street when they did on another.

Some cops are ********. Especially MA State Troopers. Anyone else have an incident with them?
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Old 04-16-2004, 07:17 PM   #2
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I'm going to cliffnote my response on this one... Don't [four letter word implying feces] in your backyard.

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Old 04-16-2004, 07:18 PM   #3
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While I agree that many SP are ******** with a chip on their shoulder, I would let this one die unless you want him AND his buddies watching out for you.
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Old 04-16-2004, 07:38 PM   #4
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We just had an interesting conversation about this on IRC. Before anyone gives you too much crap about squealing your tires, I'd like to make two points:

1.) I expect you are overestimating when you say that they were squealing for two seconds.

2.) There was a turn I used to take every day on my way home that, because of the quick nature of the turn, a sharp 90 degree left, would cause my rear tires to squeal every time I went through it. I think this was because the rear diff was locking up a little. You could make the case that I was going through the corner faster than most people would, and I would not argue that. I was however definitely going within the speed limit. To go through the corner above the speed limit would probably put you in the trees.

So I do not believe that you were - well, we used a more colorful term on IRC but, - I don't believe you were sliding or drifting through this turn wrecklessly.

It sounds like this started out as a perfectly reasonable gentle reminder and mushroomed into a horrible misunderstanding (of tone). If it were me, later on, when I was feeling calm, I'd go knock on the officer's door and explain that you weren't questioning him and didn't mean to be disrespectful. I wouldn't even mention the ticket, I'd just try to explain, "Hey, I think you might have misunderstood what I meant when I said..." etc.

And if he's still a prick to you after that then by all means go crazy on the formal complaint.
Edit: (Not that I think it will get you anywhere.)


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Old 04-16-2004, 07:42 PM   #5
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yeah bro. just let it die and put your tail between your legs and be glad you didnt get slapped w/ a fine and points on your liscense.

i HATE to say it, as i think you handled it well vs. what i would have done, but really man its NOT WORTH F'ing with the po-lice. and your parents didnt want to help probably for that reason. not only will you be hunted, but they will be too.

you got out of it, he got to go inside and jerk off for scaring a kid and thats that.

let it die bro.

i hate to say it but you'll never win.
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Old 04-16-2004, 07:46 PM   #6
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I agree with James on everything except:

Because this guy is sort of on a authority trip of some sort I would be very careful how you word things when you go back. I wouldn't suggest that he misunderstood you. I'd suggest something more like:

I don't think our coversation the other day went very well. Please hear me out for one second. I don't want to cause any problems for you or any neighbor here, I want a safe neighborhood as well, and I'll be much more careful in the future. What happened wasn't intentional though.

I'm also sorry you thought my tone was out of line and disrespectful. That's not the way I wanted things to go, so I came over to just clear the air and make sure you knew I understood what you were saying.
(he'll eat this up)

Then shake hands and let it be over.

I work with a guy who has an ego and power trips all the time. You have to feed the ego/power trip, not fight it. Makes everyone happy in the long run.

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Old 04-16-2004, 07:47 PM   #7
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Yeah, take Paul's lead on the wording. Even as I was writing that I was thinking, "It's probably a bad idea to insinuate any fault on his part, no matter how obliquely."
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Old 04-16-2004, 07:52 PM   #8
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My dad and me are going over to talk to him tonight. If he's still an asshat then he's gonna get hell (well not really I guess). Apparently he isn't all that nice. My dad said he's heard him complaining in a nasty way about how people call him regarding things like whether or not it's safe to drive on the road when it snows and such. My dad also said that this guy bitched at our neighbor because his dogs were barking a lot...when it was really the guy who lived behind the cop him on the other street. So my next door neighbor doesn't like him and neither do I.

Maybe I'm overestimating. I know it wasn't very long or loud though. It was obviously making noise because the rear tires weren't getting the best traction but I wasn't driving so hard that you could actually feel the back slide out*.

I slowed down, turned hard, squealed and almost got a $250 citation.

*I'll note that I've never gotten that rear wheel drift feeling on my street because it's wide enough that you don't need to throw the car into a 90 degree turn. It has a broad opening.

I guess I'll never really win. Can't really say I'd mind if he got shot in a *real* traffic stop and had to retire.
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Old 04-16-2004, 08:05 PM   #9
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I know there's at least one cop on this forum. I'd be curious what his thoughts are.

In the cop's favor I know it can't be easy being a cop and having neighbours who know you're a cop because I know what it's like having anyone know that you know anything about computers. They probably come to you with everything.

"My coworker looks at porn!"
"My sister's best friend's neice got a speeding ticket and I was wondering if you could make it go away."
"I think my ex-boyfriend is stalking me!"
"Do you think you could get me a gun?"
"How fast can I drive on the Interstate, really?"
"Make any good busts lately?"
"Hey how come you didn't do anything when my car got keyed in my driveway!"
"Space aliens live in my rectum!"


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PS: I don't know anything about computers. Is this thing on? Hello? Can anybody see what I'm typing?
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Old 04-16-2004, 08:22 PM   #10
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I live right up the street from a statie with a k9. I have yet to see or talk to him, but from what ive heard he is a good guy. And I like having a state tropers car on my street. But if I were you I would just let it go, be thankfull you didnt get a ticket and move on.
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Old 04-16-2004, 08:23 PM   #11
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A follow-up thought: (this thread has set my gears a'spinning.)

I work in the private sector. When Joe Neighbour asks me to fix his computer I can quite reasonably tell him to go shove his computer up his ass.

Cops, however, work for the government. The government works for the people. You are the people. Strictly speaking, you'd be correct if you said, "My taxes pay your salary!"

It's funny to me that we live in such fear of people that we employ. It's funnier still to me that we pay these people our hard-earned money to enforce laws - namely speed limits - that almost none of us can consistently obey, and that a majority of us probably think are unreasonable.

I mean honestly, who the hell do we think we are!

That's my to the ****ed state of The System.


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Old 04-16-2004, 08:30 PM   #12
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I will promise you one thing
If you file a complaint, on a cop that LIVES IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. You are without a doubt going to regret it.
You had better never tint you windows, change your muffler, ehll dude, you just plain better never come within sight of him. Its not hard to find something to charge you with. ANd after you get him into hot water (which, in reality, will be almost non-existant) He is going to crucify you for everything he can, every chance he can.
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Old 04-16-2004, 08:44 PM   #13
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#1) Whenever stopped, put on the attitude of someone who just insulted the cops mom who's dying of Cancer, a heart attack and Aids all at the same time. As sorry looking as a drowned rat.

---this avoids hassles. For me, it avoided a ticket where I was going (statute of limitations is up) 90+ in a 30. Fortunately for my conscience, the only things on either side of the road the entire way were trees and squirrels and maybe 3 golf balls. It was 11pm and I proceeded to slow to normal speed as approaching the neighborhood. The local police officer greeted me after the right 270 degree turn at the top of my driveway (those of you who've been to the house can visualize this) and got ready to back into the garage when I noticed the subtle blue lights on right in front of me. I got out and was the most sorry, unbelievably remorseful person you've ever seen. The officer's only question was "Is there a race somewhere that I need to know about?". No warning, no ticket.

#2) Azenis do not squeel

#3) Westfield has the 2nd largest land area of any CITY in the State of Massachusetts and was incorporated in 1669.

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Old 04-16-2004, 09:01 PM   #14
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Westfield has the 2nd largest land area of any CITY in the State of Massachusetts and was incorporated in 1669.
Fact O` Jack!
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A follow-up thought: (this thread has set my gears a'spinning.)

Cops, however, work for the government. The government works for the people. You are the people. Strictly speaking, you'd be correct if you said, "My taxes pay your salary!"

It's funny to me that we live in such fear of people that we employ. It's funnier still to me that we pay these people our hard-earned money to enforce laws - namely speed limits - that almost none of us can consistently obey, and that a majority of us probably think are unreasonable.

I mean honestly, who the hell do we think we are!

That's my to the ****ed state of The System.


-James
I take great offense to this being someone who "works for the government."
Just because you are disillusioned doesnt mean the rest of us are. Some people "work for the government" to give back to their community and try to make the WHOLE community a better place. People who break laws are in the minority and cops are not paid to "enforce laws, namely speed limits" they are there to protect you.

I happen to have taken a 50% pay cut when I left my last job to go into government - I did it because I believed it was the right thing to do. Ya know, you remind me of the people who all say that we need to cut taxes and increase services.


To the starter of the thread, I suggest you stroke the guys ego and use it to your advantage. He's obviously power hungry, so use it to your advantage - be a humble kid - and maybe one day he'll end up getting you out of a ticket.

Filing a Complaint in this day and age will actually get results. But let me tell you what they may be - this parent who may have been legitimitely concerned for the safety of his children could be reprimanded with a loss of pay, vacation or be demoted. In the long run of his career, this could be big.

Yes, there are real prick cops out there, but you don't know all that he's going through - maybe today he happened to have dealt with some domestic violence case that would make you or I lose our lunch and weeks of sleep.

Im a pretty laid back guy and water tends to roll off my back, but threaten a member of my family (even a perceived threat) and I will abso-farkin-lutely flip out on your arse.
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I hate cops. Just about every single one them.
This is comig from someone who's dad was a cop for 37 years.
I know hundreds of power trip stories like this one that make my hairs stand up on end.



IF you go over there to talk to this guy, bring a small recorder in your pocket. Go without your Dad if you want maximum verbal results.
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Old 04-16-2004, 09:16 PM   #17
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Hella strong mouth for a kid your age. No sympathy from me. You got caught with your pants down. Take it like a man and show some respect/humility.

edit: You should research the word stereotype by the way.

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The state trooper was out getting the mail at his house, so I assume he was off duty, correct? Can he legally write you a ticket when he's not on duty?

And what happens if you just decide to drive off after he asks you for your license? Could you get a ticket for evading an officer, or leaving the scene of a crime? After all, he didn't pull you over...
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Heh, I knew I should have elaborated more.

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I take great offense to this being someone who "works for the government."
I apologize for offending you. I think you misunderstood my sentiment.

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Just because you are disillusioned doesnt mean the rest of us are.
I'm not disillusioned, actually. I do think that The System is broken, but I think that the proper way to fix it is through slow, steady, and persistent use of that exact same system. I wasn't tossing the whole thing out or advocating anarchism or any such nonsense.

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Some people "work for the government" to give back to their community and try to make the WHOLE community a better place.
Absolutely, and I respect that. I did not mean to imply otherwise.

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People who break laws are in the minority and cops are not paid to "enforce laws, namely speed limits" they are there to protect you.
Obviously I was talking about a very narrow aspect of policework. I would never want to live in a world without cops. I think cops do a very tough job, I applaud them for having the balls to do it, and I think their salaries (along with those of teachers) are a disgrace. I'm being completely sincere here.

Really what I was getting at - and unfortunately stopped short of writing in that last post - was this absurdity:

Ask someone if they think Interstate speed limits are too low. Chances are they'll say yes.

Ask them if they'd like to be able to drive faster. Chances are they'll say yes.

Now ask them why they think they don't raise the speed limits. Chances are they'll say something like, "Well, I think that a lot of other people would start crashing left and right because they don't know how to drive."

And yet, who is "other people?" It's you! Our whole attitude about driving in this country is deeply, deeply whacked. Anyway.

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I happen to have taken a 50% pay cut when I left my last job to go into government - I did it because I believed it was the right thing to do.
Thank you. Seriously. I was very interested in going to work for the US Foreign Service. I have the Arco "American Foreign Service Officer Exam" sitting in my bookshelf. I waved off because of the pay cut. (And the fact that the number of applicants far exceed the number of hires and I'd probably never get in.)

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Ya know, you remind me of the people who all say that we need to cut taxes and increase services.
If you said that to anyone who works with me they'd laugh you right out of the office. No, I would be happy to pay a higher tax rate if it meant a national healthcare system, etc.

Anyway, once again I apologize for offending you. Hopefully you see that the way you read my words was not the way that I meant them.

Look at this way: We pay cops. Then we bitch about cops doing the jobs we pay them to do. It's kind of like giving someone $5 to hit you in the head and then saying, "Ow! What the hell did you hit me for?!" I just think it's funny. And we're always very happy when a cop gets "the other guy," but most of us are angry when it happens to us.


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After all this talk I think I'm going to have to very carefully obey the speed limit on my two-hour drive tonight. I'd probably die of irony if I got a speeding ticket.
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Just a point I'd like to request for clarification..... it was the rear tires that squealed?

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IF you go over there to talk to this guy, bring a small recorder in your pocket. Go without your Dad if you want maximum verbal results.
in some states this would be illeagle w/out his permission and he could really nail you to the wall. thats why when ive got pulled over i turn on my handy VUZ system. I cant help it if it was recording when the officer was being
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tires don't just squeal for no reason.
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me tihnks me mispselled illegal. me si sutpid
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tires don't just squeal for no reason.
depends on the car. locked diffs maybe
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